Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (but why no pressure on Hamas or PA?)

[JBG]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

Atef Abu Khater, 17, who was healthy before Gaza was gripped by war, lies in intensive care in a hospital in the north of the Palestinian enclave, suffering from severe malnutrition.
“He is not responding to the treatment,” said his father, A’eed Abu Khater, 48, who has been sheltering in a tent in Gaza City with his wife and five children. “I feel helpless,” he added in a phone call, his voice strained with grief. “We lost our income in the war. Food is unaffordable. There is nothing.”...
“There is no one in Gaza now outside the scope of famine, not even myself,”said Dr. Ahmed al-Farra, who leads the pediatric ward at Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza. “I am speaking to you as a health official, but I, too, am searching for flour to feed my family.”
Dr. al-Farra said the number of children dying of malnutrition had risen sharply in recent days. He described harrowing scenes of people too exhausted to walk. Many of the children he sees have no pre-existing medical conditions, he said, giving the example of Siwar Barbaq, who was born healthy and now, at 11 months old, should weigh about 20 pounds but is under nine pounds.

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

 

[Sweden]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

Exactly. There is abundant food in Gaza if hamas/UN would only distribute it.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Callen]

The world is complicated in these horrific crimes against humanity. All this does is breed new terrorists.

 

[What if...?]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

They don’t have “constituents” they have subjects.

They seized power a year after the last election there.

They have ruled by force of arms ever since.

 

[What if...?]

Exactly. There is abundant food in Gaza if hamas/UN would only distribute it.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sometimes mice know that that cheese is a trap.

Kill enough people trying to get to the food and they’ll stop coming to get shot trying to get the food.

 

[What if...?]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

This won’t end until the Palestinians are driven into the sea.

That has always been the plan.

 

[Cosmo]

They don’t have “constituents” they have subjects.

They seized power a year after the last election there.

They have ruled by force of arms ever since.

Something tells me that, if you were to ask the average Gazan or the average Russian whom they blame for their woes, they wouldn't say Hamas or Putin, they'd say Israel or Zelensky.

 

[Tigerace117]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

Gee, Israel has already made it quite clear they aren’t “ending the war” until the Palestinian civilian populace is either driven out or mass murdered.

Israel has murdered more civilians in a single year than Hamas has in its entire existence. Wailing “October 7th” in hopes of excusing any and every atrocity rings utterly hollow.

Israel did, yes.

Yes, it is time for Benjamin Netanyahu and his cronies to be sent to The Hague, and Israeli colonies in the West Bank to be shut down.

 

[Tigerace117]

Something tells me that, if you were to ask the average Gazan or the average Russian whom they blame for their woes, they wouldn't say Hamas or Putin, they'd say Israel or Zelensky.

Oh look, more “Russia Russia Russia” whining in a desperate attempt to shield Israel and wanted war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu from criticism.

 

[What if...?]

Something tells me that, if you were to ask the average Gazan or the average Russian whom they blame for their woes, they wouldn't say Hamas or Putin, they'd say Israel or Zelensky.

Israel has had it’s boot on the throats of the Palestinians for 80 years.

Hamas was a response to that.

Which just put more boots on their necks.

Hamas itself wasn’t confident they would get voted in in an election so they just declared themselves the rulers and called it good.

 

[Pyrite]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

Pressure is rightfully put on those who are deliberately using food as weapon during a war: the Government of Israel

 

[Pyrite]

Exactly. There is abundant food in Gaza if hamas/UN would only distribute it.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

No, there isn't "abundant food in Gaza".

The Government of Israel refused to allow ANY food to enter the Gaza Strip for a near-two-month period. Did you forget this?

The Government of Israel is refusing to allow the requisite number of lorries into the Strip every day. Did you forget this, too?

Moreover, the Government of Israel has set up a new food distribution plan that funnels desperate people who are starving right into the IDF strongholds - and thus into the killing fields of the last few months. What we're seeing is the Government of Israel, with the cooperation of the USA, using food as a bait to lure starving people into a tightly-enclosed area, where they are easy pickings for trigger-happy IDF youngsters. Did you also forget this?

Hunters use the same tactic to entice animals to a spot, where they are then easily targeted and killed by the hunters.

 

[Felis Leo]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

What does this have to do with the civilian population being starved by Israel? Your logic would only work if Hamas actually held sections of territory in Gaza that Israel was trying to breach them Battle of Berlin style, with the civilians being besieged along with the defenders.

But Israel has full control over Gaza. They are in control over who gets food and who does not. Hamas's surrender does not matter. They are now splintered guerilla insurgent force at this point. Ensuring the civilian population is fed and not murdered daily en masse is the most basic responsibility of the Israelis, and is in no way contingent upon Hamas surrendering.

 

[lwf]

What does this have to do with the civilian population being starved by Israel? Your logic would only work if Hamas actually held sections of territory in Gaza that Israel was trying to breach them Battle of Berlin style, with the civilians being besieged along with the defenders.

But Israel has full control over Gaza. They are in control over who gets food and who does not. Hamas's surrender does not matter. They are now splintered guerilla insurgent force at this point. Ensuring the civilian population is fed and not murdered daily en masse is the most basic responsibility of the Israelis, and is in no way contingent upon Hamas surrendering.

This is incorrect. Israel does not control Gaza. Gaza remains under the control of Hamas. Israel has Gaza effectively blockaded, but Israeli forces are not in control of the city.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-861821
https://themedialine.org/top-storie...s-still-rules-gaza-what-are-the-consequences/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...litants-rule-93da074c251d0fcaa395503749e2849e

 

[Pyrite]

This is incorrect. Israel does not control Gaza. Gaza remains under the control of Hamas. Israel has Gaza effectively blockaded, but Israeli forces are not in control of the city.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-861821
https://themedialine.org/top-storie...s-still-rules-gaza-what-are-the-consequences/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...litants-rule-93da074c251d0fcaa395503749e2849e

No, Gaza does NOT "remain under the control of Hamas".

WHO condemns Israeli attacks on facilities in central Gaza

The UN agency accuses Israeli forces of attacking a building housing its staff and their families in Deir al-Balah.

www.bbc.com

 

[Cosmo]

Israel has had it’s boot on the throats of the Palestinians for 80 years.

Hamas was a response to that.

Which just put more boots on their necks.

Hamas itself wasn’t confident they would get voted in in an election so they just declared themselves the rulers and called it good.

IDF lifted the "boot" in 2005. Didn't help calm the Gazans down any. Just led to rocket attacks. Sorry, but no, the "boot" has nothing to do with it.

 

[Pyrite]

No, Gaza does NOT "remain under the control of Hamas".

WHO condemns Israeli attacks on facilities in central Gaza

The UN agency accuses Israeli forces of attacking a building housing its staff and their families in Deir al-Balah.

www.bbc.com

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Remember, the Government of Israel continues to order 2.1 million Palestinians to relocate here, to flee there, to evacuate such-and-such....CLEARLY, the Israeli Government and the IDF control Gaza and the daily lives of 2.1 million men, women, children, and babies.

 

[Visbek]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume?

Are you even trying to be serious?

And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Are you even trying to be serious?

Yes, Hamas' attack was illegitimate and unethical. The attack was denounced by nations around the world.

However, as unjustifiable as it was, citing it does not justify deliberately starving millions of innocent people, let alone years of deadly attacks.

It's also rather insane that you're just going to ignore the decades of violence, oppression, and violation of peace agreements by Israel. If you take your own argument seriously, then why aren't you blaming Israel for provoking the 10/7 attacks?

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

(Note: I'm not using a humorous image to downplay the seriousness of what's happening in Gaza. I'm using it to show that your position should not be taken seriously.)

 

[lwf]

No, Gaza does NOT "remain under the control of Hamas".

WHO condemns Israeli attacks on facilities in central Gaza

The UN agency accuses Israeli forces of attacking a building housing its staff and their families in Deir al-Balah.

www.bbc.com

View attachment 67581590

Incorrect. Gaza remains under the control of Hamas. "Under evacuation orders" does not mean that Israel controls the area. It means that Israel has designated the area unsafe for civilians due to the threat of airstrikes. Russia could issue an evacuation order for a US city if they so choose. It doesn't mean they control that city.

 

[Sweden]

No, there isn't "abundant food in Gaza".

The Government of Israel refused to allow ANY food to enter the Gaza Strip for a near-two-month period. Did you forget this?

The Government of Israel is refusing to allow the requisite number of lorries into the Strip every day. Did you forget this, too?

Moreover, the Government of Israel has set up a new food distribution plan that funnels desperate people who are starving right into the IDF strongholds - and thus into the killing fields of the last few months. What we're seeing is the Government of Israel, with the cooperation of the USA, using food as a bait to lure starving people into a tightly-enclosed area, where they are easy pickings for trigger-happy IDF youngsters. Did you also forget this?

Hunters use the same tactic to entice animals to a spot, where they are then easily targeted and killed by the hunters.

Did you see the link? Did you see the enormous stock of food ignored by Hamas/UN? "Starving people" supports their narrative and they will deprive Gazans of readily available food for that reason.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Sweden]

The world is complicated in these horrific crimes against humanity. All this does is breed new terrorists.

Those doing the horrific crimes are Hamas/UN. Look at the link.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Pyrite]

Did you see the link? Did you see the enormous stock of food ignored by Hamas/UN? "Starving people" supports their narrative and they will deprive Gazans of readily available food for that reason.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

You have no way of knowing for a fact that the WHO could deliver the food but refuses to do so.

For you to assume that is the case doesn't make it fact.

It could well be that the Israeli Government REFUSES to allow a high number of lorries to enter Gaza each day.

BTW, how many truckloads of aid are required - EACH DAY - to sustain 2.1 million captive people? Did your article mention this pertinent fact?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

Because the IDF is the direct cause of the starvation. They are in charge of the borders, who and what gets in.

 

[Pyrite]

Those doing the horrific crimes are Hamas/UN. Look at the link.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

WRONG.

Numerous international aid groups have pointed out that the Israeli Government is indeed STARVING people in Gaza. Moreover, people - including children - have been dying of malnutrition.

Are you going to say they're all liars?

 

[Pyrite]

Incorrect. Gaza remains under the control of Hamas. "Under evacuation orders" does not mean that Israel controls the area. It means that Israel has designated the area unsafe for civilians due to the threat of airstrikes. Russia could issue an evacuation order for a US city if they so choose. It doesn't mean they control that city.

You can deny it all you want, but the map I posted earlier clearly shows that the IDF/The Israeli Government controls wide swaths of Gaza.

Btw, "unsafe due to the threat of airstrikes" means the IDF/Netanyahu's Government controls those areas....

You are saying what you want to be true, but not what credible sources say is true. Your emotions are deciding for you.