Yes it is discrimination, it's the state saying secular morals are superior to that of religious Christians. Personally if a state voted by popular majority to accept gay marriage then I would be fine with it. I wouldn't support it personally and I would vote against it, but I would obey the law. Who is necessarily imposing on others? In California they voted on gay marriage (proposition 8) and gay marriage was turned down by a popular vote. Now they are trying to find some way to impose gay marriage upon everyone even though it was voted down.
100% WRONG its not discrimination against you because YOU still get to practice, teach, preach and believe what you want LMAO please dro[ the semantics game because theres no logic to support them LOL
what it is actually saying is that AMERICAN laws, rights and constitution is a HIGHER value than your religon whivh is and has always been true.
Yes it does spin both ways. In reality it would be just as I said it would be. It would be the state forcing everyone to acknowledge to men or two women as a legally married couple. Like I said, in California they are discriminating against the popular majority that voted to prevent gay marriage. They want to ram it through regardless of what the voters said. They are disrespecting their votes and discrimination against their beliefs.
100% wrong again you cant spin it that way, I dont care about california and your attempt at a strawman. Your beliefs would still be in tact nice try and that wouldnt change unless you are under belief everything outside you religion already discrimination LMAO you cant have it both ways and i wont let you because there no logic behind it
My religious belief's would only hold that premarital sex, masturbation, and becoming too drunk with alcohol as being wrong. However, these things are different when compared to homosexual marriage. I don't support any of these things and neither does the state. The state hasn't made these things illegal (just like how homosexuality isn't a crime either). It would be discrimination if the state were to pass laws saying every couple that has premarital sex deserves special rights or that everyone who masturbates deserves free pornography. The government doesn't impose morality on those areas that you mentioned, they aren't respecting those acts and giving them special protection/extending rights to them.
this is where you just exposed admitting gay marriage is "different" from other sins LMAO sorry more word games by you with no logic behind them allowing gay marriage would be extending EQUAL rights not special rights LMAO
so let me get this straight by "allowing" gay marriages is discrimantion against you BUT allowing certain drug use, prematial sex, masturbation, cussing, porn, etc etc or anything else one may view as a sin is OK and not discrimination? ok got that makes perfect sense LOL
Again, the things you posted above are not given a moral seal of approval by the government. They are not extended special rights and the government is not telling everyone to accept those behaviors as equal to moral ones. They aren't telling people that premarital sex is morally equal to sex within marriage.
I cant even believe that you believe what you are typing, gay marriage is not a "special" right LMAO and YES the government does "APPROVE" it because its not illegal, morals dont come into play no matter how much YOU want them too. Nobody said the government approves them morally, allowing gay marriage wouldnt do that either LOL Nice spin but no reality disagrees LOL
I agree with you on your first sentence. I also believe that those who support homosexuality have the right to vote for it based on their belief's and convictions. They have theirs and I have mine and I respect their views even though I don't agree with them. However, I don't think I'm pompous for not supporting homosexual marriage. I am not anti-homosexuals, I just doesn't support homosexuality as moral and equal to marriage. I would be against any law that criminalize homosexuals or repeals any rights from them as people just like anyone else. What I think is pompous is in the case of California where they want to go against the popular vote and impose homosexual marriage on a state that voted to keep marriage between a man and woman. I don't think it's pompous to support homosexual marriage either (I am not saying having that stance makes on pompous nor am I calling you pompous).
do you read what you write, i NEVER said your pompous for not "supporting it" I said you are pompous for thinking its your business and if you would vote no that makes you pompous for stopping it, AGain with california, dont care strawman.
It does effect me though. It means that the state and society that I live in views a practice I hold as immoral as being moral and equal to a heterosexual marriage. I plan on going into the medical field, and I would be required to extend spousal benefits to a homosexual couple even though in my eyes they are living in a sinful union. I would have to uphold their "marriage" and legally be required to treat them as any normal married couple. It would effect me personally, and it would effect the society I live in.
wow, do you live in america? or in reality LMAO
the medical field? hahahahahah
the medical field has NO room for your religion nor does it care about it. YOU wouldnt be "required" to do anything but your JOB the insurance company would have to treat them as marriage and any thing a married couple gets you would have to give them.
Lol basically what if i was a fireman but my religion told me black people and women arent equal to white men BUT the fire department has rules to save the first victim you come to and treat everyone EQUAL if they are not terminal, should i cry its discrimination because I dont want to save blacks or women they arent equal to whites or men in my MORALS???
how about less dramatic some religions feel gays are going to burn in hell? should that docotor not do anything for a sick gay person? they are going to burn in hell?
better yet what if its gods will for me to die and you save me or try to save me did you sin?
see how sily this sounds? your example is just as silly
like i said in REALITY you are not effected except for shallow arrogant reasons that do not apply to equality, freedoms and not discriminating to your fellow americans
They do have the same rights. In fact, they aren't a "they" group. Homosexuals are normal people with a different sexual preference. Is it discrimination to make bestiality illegal? That is a sexual preference as well. Do we discriminate against them by not allowing a man to legally marry his horse? Homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bestiality are not racial or religious groups. They are all sexual preferences and acts of sexuality. "Discriminating" against homosexuality is discriminating against the act of homosexual sex in the same way that discriminating against murderers is discriminating against the act of murder.
LMAO did you just cmpare beastliity to gay marriage? Gays are a "they group"
and gay marriage and gay sex is something between two consenting human adults where there is no victium. LOL
wow now you are really reaching and being exposed
They are denied nothing, they have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex that I do. They have the right to live and travel and receive all rights that I do as a heterosexual male. The only difference between me and a homosexual is the fact that they are sexually attracted to the same gender while I am not.
you realize by YOUR OWN argument I could use it against you and say that religion shouldnt be a group, its just a religion right? but im sure it wont apply then LOl
I'm not a bigot. I have gay friends and ex gay friends and I treat them with no disrespect or any differently then my other friends. You judge my character based off of my beliefs. You are not only wrong, but you are asserting your own bigotry by assuming that I myself am bigoted against homosexuals simply because I view homosexuality as a sin. :respekt:
even though im not the one that called you a bigot ill answer anyway
I cant say if you are a bigot or not but there is evidence to support it but that dos NOT make it fact only opinion
I actually dont believe you have gay "friends" you may know some but i doubt they are real friends BUT i also admit thats not fair so ill just take your word for it
what happens if they get married and invite you to the wedding do you not go and do you not see them has married?
Like it was said in this thread many times still no good reason to stop it that doesnt fit one of the descriptions of the OP