Gas prices VS Trump tax cut!

[independentusa]

Gas prices on average have risen from $2.14 per gallon when Obama left office until now they are $2.97 per gallon. That is about a 39% increase and the increase doesn't seem to be slowing up. So which do you think is winning for middle class tax payers, the increase price of gas or the increase in take home pay due to the tax cut?

 

[faithful_servant]

Gas prices on average have risen from $2.14 per gallon when Obama left office until now they are $2.97 per gallon. That is about a 39% increase and the increase doesn't seem to be slowing up. So which do you think is winning for middle class tax payers, the increase price of gas or the increase in take home pay due to the tax cut?

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...
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[Praxas]

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...
:roll:

But that is exactly the way you folks argued against Obamacare.

 

[tres borrachos]

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...
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Sounds like the argument against the ACA.

 

[celticwar17]

But that is exactly the way you folks argued against Obamacare.

Wait... so you just admitted to your own hypocrisy? Are you saying you have no arguement here, just like anyone had no argument against ACA. Or are you saying people had an argument against ACA and you have an argument here?

 

[Bullseye]

Gas prices on average have risen from $2.14 per gallon when Obama left office until now they are $2.97 per gallon. That is about a 39% increase and the increase doesn't seem to be slowing up. So which do you think is winning for middle class tax payers, the increase price of gas or the increase in take home pay due to the tax cut?

Gas prices would have risen anyway, money from tax cuts helps with the cost. Since the tax cuts will go on continuously while oil prices move up and down I'd say tax cuts more beneficial.

 

[poweRob]

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...
:roll:

Another dodge from faithful_servant.

 

[longview]

Gas prices on average have risen from $2.14 per gallon when Obama left office until now they are $2.97 per gallon. That is about a 39% increase and the increase doesn't seem to be slowing up. So which do you think is winning for middle class tax payers, the increase price of gas or the increase in take home pay due to the tax cut?

With the numbers you cite.
the tax cut still wins.
The Gas price increase is about $544 per year,
while the tax cut should bet between $1400, and $2700 per year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-will-the-tax-cuts-raise-your-take-home-pay/
This is based on 656 gallons per year.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/01/14/heres-how-much-gasoline-the-average-american-consu.aspx

 

[trouble13]

Strong economy puts an increase in demand and prices up until supply shortages can be compensated for.

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[faithful_servant]

But that is exactly the way you folks argued against Obamacare.

Every argument I made and most I read focused on the massive holes, inefficiencies and general lack of a plan for sustaining the ACA. Now then, back to the topic you are so desperately trying to move away from...

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...

 

[Zyphlin]

From every single administration, the gas prices thing has routinely been the stupidest thing partisans on either side gravitate to.

Gas was as low as $1.85 under Obama and as a high as $4.00. They tended to fall during the winter, and rise during the summer, just as we've seen since Trump took office as well. Comparing gas prices in one year in January to gas prices another year during Memorial Day Weekend and acting like there's some grand singular message that can be gleamed from it is just pure idiocy.

People need to stop with the idiotic snapshot gas price game, it's been tiresome and stupid for years now and one of the most ridiculous constant political games.

 

[Praxas]

Every argument I made and most I read focused on the massive holes, inefficiencies and general lack of a plan for sustaining the ACA. Now then, back to the topic you are so desperately trying to move away from...

Another person trying to use the "If it's not a 100% perfect success, then it's a complete failure" argument...

Yes you are trying to used that excuse for the ACA.

 

[Praxas]

Wait... so you just admitted to your own hypocrisy? Are you saying you have no arguement here, just like anyone had no argument against ACA. Or are you saying people had an argument against ACA and you have an argument here?

Show my hypocrisy with examples not one liner non-gotcha claims con.

 

[Praxas]

From every single administration, the gas prices thing has routinely been the stupidest thing partisans on either side gravitate to.

Gas was as low as $1.85 under Obama and as a high as $4.00. They tended to fall during the winter, and rise during the summer, just as we've seen since Trump took office as well. Comparing gas prices in one year in January to gas prices another year during Memorial Day Weekend and acting like there's some grand singular message that can be gleamed from it is just pure idiocy.

People need to stop with the idiotic snapshot gas price game, it's been tiresome and stupid for years now and one of the most ridiculous constant political games.

So you see absolutely no correlation whatsoever in gas prices and the us pulling out of the Iran deal? There absolutely is a correlation there. Instability, especially in dealing with the Middle East always causes gas prices to increase. And guess who decided to pull the us out of the deal? Oh yeah trump. So yes the correlation exists.

 

[faithful_servant]

Yes you are trying to used that excuse for the ACA.

Could you re-type that, I think you missed a couple of words....

 

[Zyphlin]

So you see absolutely no correlation whatsoever in gas prices and the us pulling out of the Iran deal? There absolutely is a correlation there. Instability, especially in dealing with the Middle East always causes gas prices to increase. And guess who decided to pull the us out of the deal? Oh yeah trump. So yes the correlation exists.

Oh, us pulling out of the Iran deal absolutely has some affect on the price of gas. Is it the SINGULAR effect on the price of gas? Absolute not. Is it the biggest impact on the price of gas? I'd still wager no, I'd suggest that the fact we're moving into summer is as much, if not a bigger, part of it if you look at the historical trends of gas prices over the past decades.

Also, the fact you keep using the word correlation far too much belies your true intent here, as you keep using correlation but treating it as if you're using the word causation.

And none of this changes the fact that it's idiotic, and will forever be idiotic, to take a snap shot in time gas price at a time a President leaves office (in the winter mind you) and trying to compare that to a gas price at some random other snapshot in time of another President and act as if all variations between those two things are just inherently due to the President in questions actions, which is what the OP was doing.

 

[biff_poindexter]

Strong economy puts an increase in demand and prices up until supply shortages can be compensated for.

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In other words, when gas prices go up under a president you don't like -- Bad

When they go up under a president you do like -- Good, strong economy, basic economics, etc

Fact of the matter is -- oil prices are a cyclical crap shoot that presidents have very little control over

 

[Helix]

Gas prices VS Trump tax cut!

the trickle down tax cuts were never going to be a net gain for the non-wealthy when everything is taken into account. this has been obvious for decades.

 

[FreeWits]

Gas prices on average have risen from $2.14 per gallon when Obama left office until now they are $2.97 per gallon. That is about a 39% increase and the increase doesn't seem to be slowing up. So which do you think is winning for middle class tax payers, the increase price of gas or the increase in take home pay due to the tax cut?

This comparison doesn't make sense. Gas prices go up. It happens. There isn't a policy to raise gas prices. On the other hand, when Trump cut taxes, Democrats actively railed against the tax cuts calling them "crumbs". That was a specific policy that there was a disagreement on. In fact, the rising gas prices make it more important, not less important, to save money other places like on taxes. What would happen to the Middle Class if Democrats had it their way and had higher taxes, and then the gas prices rose? That would be the worst-case-scenario for the Middle Class, wouldn't it? Gas prices and tax cuts are not connected in any way, so this is a foolish comparison.

 

[trouble13]

In other words, when gas prices go up under a president you don't like -- Bad

When they go up under a president you do like -- Good, strong economy, basic economics, etc

Fact of the matter is -- oil prices are a cyclical crap shoot that presidents have very little control over

It depends on why gas prices are up not who is potus

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