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beefheart said:
Your dodge about slavery going on in the world has nothing to do with the subject. What are you doing about slavery somewhere else?:roll:
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Isn't he exempt from that because he doesn't care about slavery then? Or, he's done something. I'm not sure, but I think the premise is "you can't talk about American slavery unless you did stuff about today". It's horribly stupid, I know, but what are the explanations? Maybe he has worked around the world for a human rights organization, personally involved recently in north Africa? Then maybe he has a point. But if he means telling black people to not be democrats, then I guess we laugh.

We don't have enough info to evaluate the legitimacy or laughability of the complaint.
 
ecofarm said:
Isn't he exempt from that because he doesn't care about slavery then? Or, he's done something. I'm not sure, but I think the premise is "you can't talk about American slavery unless you did stuff about today". It's horribly stupid, I know, but what are the explanations? Maybe he has worked around the world for a human rights organization, personally involved recently in north Africa? Then maybe he has a point. But if he means telling black people to not be democrats, then I guess we laugh.

We don't have enough info to evaluate the legitimacy or laughability of the complaint.
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Yeah, it is a very weak way to form an argument. And it shows.

What is important is that the North did something about slavery, it beat the traitors in the south.
 
trixare4kids said:
Addressing only your point in bold above. What does Condoleeza Rice have wrong?
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Rice says that she is not big on whitewashing history. That is rich coming from a lying, war criminal neocon.
 
beefheart said:
Yeah, it is a very weak way to form an argument. And it shows.
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We don't know for sure. If he just got back from personally saving girl slaves in Nigeria and labor slaves in Libya, then maybe he has kind of a point. I'll wait for all the info before condemning the comment as horribly dumb.
 
beefheart said:
Yeah, it is a very weak way to form an argument. And it shows.

What is important is that the North did something about slavery, it beat the traitors in the south.
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Yeah, you just can't beat what those sanctimonious, racist northerners did for the slaves.

"Look, you defeated southerners, you can whip, beat, rape, torture, murder, ... Blacks at will and we will celebrate with you on that but you have to respect our racist Dishonest Abe's emancipation because we wanted to crush you, you god damn free traders. Who do you think you are trying to wreck the North's protectionist trade policies."
 
camlok said:
Yeah, you just can't beat what those sanctimonious, racist northerners did for the slaves.

"Look, you defeated southerners, you can whip, beat, rape, torture, murder, ... Blacks at will and we will celebrate with you on that but you have to respect our racist Dishonest Abe's emancipation because we wanted to crush you, you god damn free traders. Who do you think you are trying to wreck the North's protectionist trade policies."
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WTH is this supposed to mean?
 
OlNate said:
Ah, gotta make you wait, bud...no youtube at work. I will look at it though.

Got a transcript?
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No, sorry... If you search you will find her thoughts on erasing history as it relates to the statutes though.
I feel like she does. We've moved on from this part of our history but we should never forget the ugly days and the statues are needed as a part of our history to remind of this.
That is why the statues of General Lee should remain. Not for glorification but if we forget our history we are doomed to repeat it.
 
ecofarm said:
A debate partner, hah. Your claims are ignorant or lies. No one is burning books, erasing history or any of the other snowflake hysterical crap you claim. Nor is anyone sanitizing history. Residents are moving monuments of disgusting traitors that were erected for intimidating the population to an appropriate location - museums and civil war sites. What is there to cry about?
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Thank you again for proving my point.

You simply don't have it in you to show civility.
 
camlok said:
Yeah, you just can't beat what those sanctimonious, racist northerners did for the slaves.

"Look, you defeated southerners, you can whip, beat, rape, torture, murder, ... Blacks at will and we will celebrate with you on that but you have to respect our racist Dishonest Abe's emancipation because we wanted to crush you, you god damn free traders. Who do you think you are trying to wreck the North's protectionist trade policies."
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As usual, you fail utterly to get.....well.....anything correct.

Your historical ignorance is truly astounding.
 
trixare4kids said:
No, sorry... If you search you will find her thoughts on erasing history as it relates to the statutes though.
I feel like she does. We've moved on from this part of our history but we should never forget the ugly days and the statues are needed as a part of our history to remind of this.
That is why the statues of General Lee should remain. Not for glorification but if we forget our history we are doomed to repeat it.
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Oh really?

So everyone will forget who Robert E Lee is if we remove statues to treason and unconstitutional terrorism?

That must be why nobody knows who Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot are, right? Oh wait......
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really?

So everyone will forget who Robert E Lee is if we remove statues to treason and unconstitutional terrorism?

That must be why nobody knows who Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot are, right? Oh wait......
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Why does the statue of Lee need to be removed from its present location?
 
trixare4kids said:
Why does the statue of Lee need to be removed from its present location?
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Why do you pretend to not understand the other side's arguments and, instead, substitute ludicrous strawmen (erasing history and other nutbag victim narratives)?
 
trixare4kids said:
I haven't personally attacked you.

Try again...
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Nor I you. If you're going to indulge in victim fantasy, hit the report button don't play mod.
 
ecofarm said:
Why do you pretend to not understand the other side's arguments and, instead, substitute ludicrous strawmen (erasing history and other nutbag victim narratives)?
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Unless you have a crystal ball as to what I am thinking, calling the above a red herring.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really?

So everyone will forget who Robert E Lee is if we remove statues to treason and unconstitutional terrorism?

That must be why nobody knows who Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot are, right? Oh wait......
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Who? I'm sorry, there isn't a statue of those two at any public area in my town so I'm really not sure who you are talking about.

I guess I could google them but I really feel like I would learn so much more by looking at a statue of them in all their glory.
 
trixare4kids said:
Why does the statue of Lee need to be removed from its present location?
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Because it's a symbol of treason and unconstitutional terrorism.

Lee himself didn't want any Confederate monuments.
 
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