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Fox News recants Seth Rich story

Manc Skipper said:
Fox has sown the lying seed in fertile compost.
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This is the new Vince Foster CT. Despite Fox News' "retraction," the Seth Rich story will be with us forever. That's the nature of conspiracy theories.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yes. I see that.
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So you agree then that the Fox News "retraction" gives their viewers the kind of latitude to continue spreading this story.

Fox News is run by scumbags.
 
Cardinal said:
While it's sickening that Fox would have led with such a story in the first place, it's almost as sickening as this half-recantation after it was shown to be fake. Their statement allows Fox News to walk both sides of the line: appear to correct the record while still leaving the door wide open for their viewers to claim that the story still has feet.




Statement on coverage of Seth Rich murder investigation | Fox News

No, Fox News, the problem wasn't that you didn't use "high degrees of editorial scrutiny," it's that you lied. And now that you put out a conspiracy theory that will never die, you're putting on a veneer of respectability with this retraction that no one is buying.
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Nobody parades a dead body for politics like right wing Americans.
 
Taylor said:
No, we do not "know" this. We know the opinions of some of our analysts in the intelligence community, who even go so far as to caution people like you from making unwarranted assumptions: "judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact."
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They are not "opinions" but a massive consensus of belief based on facts and evidence. When there is such an agreement among so many intelligence agencies worldwide and no credible alternatives to be found only a fool would say we don't know. There are no facts or evidence whatsoever involving Rich leaking anything nor is there anything linking the DNC to the murder! Only a made-up story that you WANT to believe. That is what conspiracy theories are.
 
coldjoint said:
Tell me where the journalism is. And those things you say about FOX watchers are the same things FOX watchers say about NBC, CNN, CBS, and ABC and the people that buy the **** they shovel.
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The difference is that Fox watchers don't care about the truth. They just want to hear that the did not vote for a criminal and a Russian Stooge. Fox is providing that service and it has nothing to do with reporting news.
 
coldjoint said:
Where is it hiding?
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Everywhere you are not. You can bet that if a news outlet is saying something you don't like it is true. That is how partisan Trump has made you. Cheney had the same problem and would not enter a room if any other channel but Fox was on.
 
coldjoint said:
I know exactly what journalism should be. I just do not see it. Give me an example.
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Any daily newspaper in the state where you live very probably is an example. So are there magazines and journals that contain solid journalism, e.g., Atlantic Monthly, New Yorker, Rolling Stone, Forbes, New York Review of Books along with many others. We happen to live in a golden age of both literate journalism and historical nonfiction in books, which is lost, sadly, on our narrow idealogues.
 
JasperL said:
That's nonsense. Seth Rich was obviously set up in a false flag operation by Trump operatives, and murdered with the intent to frame Hillary for it. So the focus must be on Trump and/or the RNC who are clearly the likely perps in this story. It makes no sense for the DNC to murder Seth Rich since the emails had already been leaked. What does make sense is the Trump campaign had the Russians hack the DNC, plant evidence on Rich's computer that he leaked them, then kill him and wait for the police to find the fake incriminating evidence. This is so obvious, can't believe you don't see it.
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Maybe he killed himself to make it look like the RNC was trying to frame the DNC. There must be some way to blame Muslims though. Maybe they got together with the Mexicans to fool him into thinking that.
 
iguanaman said:
They are not "opinions" but a massive consensus of belief based on facts and evidence.
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Sure, we can call them "beliefs" since you prefer that term. What we can't call them are statements of fact.

iguanaman said:
When there is such an agreement among so many intelligence agencies worldwide and no credible alternatives to be found only a fool would say we don't know.
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The intelligence agencies themselves don't agree with this. Sorry.
 
Cardinal said:
While it's sickening that Fox would have led with such a story in the first place, it's almost as sickening as this half-recantation after it was shown to be fake. Their statement allows Fox News to walk both sides of the line: appear to correct the record while still leaving the door wide open for their viewers to claim that the story still has feet.




Statement on coverage of Seth Rich murder investigation | Fox News

No, Fox News, the problem wasn't that you didn't use "high degrees of editorial scrutiny," it's that you lied. And now that you put out a conspiracy theory that will never die, you're putting on a veneer of respectability with this retraction that no one is buying.
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I didn't read the entire thread but, let me guess..

The usual suspects deflect to WaPo and NYT reporting and some double-down on the conspiracy anyway...
 
Sean Hannity‏Verified account @seanhannity 19m19 minutes ago

Huge announcement tonight about Seth Rich, Trump/Russian Collusion corrupt media, the liberal effort to silence me. And my future at Fox!
 
Josie said:
Sean Hannity‏Verified account @seanhannity 19m19 minutes ago

Huge announcement tonight about Seth Rich, Trump/Russian Collusion corrupt media, the liberal effort to silence me. And my future at Fox!
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Sean is Chief Goats, and his followers are goatlings.

Seth Rich was not murdered at the behest of the DNC. That is goofy goat turds.
 
Winston said:
I didn't read the entire thread but, let me guess..

The usual suspects deflect to WaPo and NYT reporting and some double-down on the conspiracy anyway...
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You win the washer and dryer!
 
Cardinal said:
So you agree then that the Fox News "retraction" gives their viewers the kind of latitude to continue spreading this story.

Fox News is run by scumbags.
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Meh. Same as the lack of "retraction" from the other media sources of the other stories allowed their ideologues to continue their 'stories'.

Interesting to note that you blithely ignore anything to do with those instances that deserve retractions, but never have any published.

Wouldn't you say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander? Fair's fair and all?

As to be run by 'scumbags', only because they don't toe the liberal / progressive ideological line that you'd rather have them. Who knows? They may yet degenerate to that with their new leadership in place. I see they are already suffering repercussions of firing one of the most popular conservatives voices they had.

Further, there may yet be more evidence to support that Rich was in fact the source of the DNC email leak.

It's very suspicious that his murder was falsely named a robbery (he still had all his personal possessions on his body), and the DC police hadn't really investigated it as a murder. Some rumors are that they were told not to, but again, I want more evidence of this.

Both Assange and Kim DotCom are making statements that he was the DNC leaker. Well, OK, but I still want more evidence to support this.

Given the tone of some emails specific to a DNC inside leaker, 'making them an example' I believe it was in one or more than one, does raise suspicions, but in and of itself, proves very little. Everyone who has been hacked is angry like that. It's a common response.

The DNC hack being Russians state security, well, that's been pretty well reduced in probability, mainly due to a lack of evidence, and it is also suspicious that all the political appointees of the intelligence services claim Russian finger prints all over the hack, but the DNC prevented FBI examination of these servers. Raises the question as to 'why not?'

We'll have to see how this develops further, and what more evidence is discovered, vetted, and made public.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Further, there may yet be more evidence to support that Rich was in fact the source of the DNC email leak.

It's very suspicious that his murder was falsely named a robbery (he still had all his personal possessions on his body), and the DC police hadn't really investigated it as a murder. Some rumors are that they were told not to, but again, I want more evidence of this.

Both Assange and Kim DotCom are making statements that he was the DNC leaker. Well, OK, but I still want more evidence to support this.

Given the tone of some emails specific to a DNC inside leaker, 'making them an example' I believe it was in one or more than one, does raise suspicions, but in and of itself, proves very little. Everyone who has been hacked is angry like that. It's a common response.

The DNC hack being Russians state security, well, that's been pretty well reduced in probability, mainly due to a lack of evidence, and it is also suspicious that all the political appointees of the intelligence services claim Russian finger prints all over the hack, but the DNC prevented FBI examination of these servers. Raises the question as to 'why not?'

We'll have to see how this develops further, and what more evidence is discovered, vetted, and made public.
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Your post is why I criticized Fox News' "retraction" as being anything but. It clearly kept the door wide open for you to continue flogging fake stories.
 
Taylor said:
Sure, we can call them "beliefs" since you prefer that term. What we can't call them are statements of fact.


The intelligence agencies themselves don't agree with this. Sorry.
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Really? Show me one REAL Govt. intelligence agency that disagrees that it was Russians that hacked the DNC. And it can't be Putin or any Russian. They are liars that have already used hacking to interfere in dozens of elections all over Europe.
And the CIA or FBI don't make accusations without proof and plenty of it.
 
Cardinal said:
Your post is why I criticized Fox News' "retraction" as being anything but. It clearly kept the door wide open for you to continue flogging fake stories.
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Got it. The Rich story is fake (regardless of legitimate questions and qualifications), while all the anti-Trump stuff isn't, and is in fact 'good' journalism. :roll:

All too predictably partisan there.
 
iguanaman said:
Really? Show me one REAL Govt. intelligence agency that disagrees that it was Russians that hacked the DNC. And it can't be Putin or any Russian. They are liars that have already used hacking to interfere in dozens of elections all over Europe.
And the CIA or FBI don't make accusations without proof and plenty of it.
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The ones staffed and lead by Obama political appointees? :lamo Yeah, right.
 
eohrnberger said:
Got it. The Rich story is fake (regardless of legitimate questions and qualifications),
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Well, yeah. As pathetic a retraction as it was, it's kind of remarkable that they issued one of any kind.
 
All of the American intel agencies cited did indeed agree that the Russian operatives were interfering with the American election, and that at best some Trump associates were their unwitting dupes. They may have been far worse. And, yes, time will tell. No where to hide, Trump goatlings.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, yeah. As pathetic a retraction as it was, it's kind of remarkable that they issued one of any kind.
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Whatever.

Still, there's legitimately open questions about Seth Rich's murder, and the lack of investigation as a murder. There's no denying that, regardless of what Russian collusion CT you want to continue to push.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, yeah. As pathetic a retraction as it was, it's kind of remarkable that they issued one of any kind.
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You're mistaking Fox news for the MSM. It's the MSM who refuse to retract stories that they get wrong.
 
eohrnberger said:
Whatever.

Still, there's legitimately open questions about Seth Rich's murder, and the lack of investigation as a murder.
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Once the narrative of a conspiracy theory takes hold, nothing can make it let go if it fits the conspiracy theorist's world view.

That's the beauty of the Fox News "retraction." They may have disavowed it on the surface, but the wording allows the conspiracy theorist to believe it's a valid issue worthy of continued investigation.
 
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