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Fox News Host Suggests “We Have a Coup on Our Hands in America”

Mach said:
And yet Wikipedia makes extensive use of sources and peer review, it's never one source, it's multiple, all the links are included.



Really we can stop there, if you refuse to believe such widely backed claims, and you have NO even plausible idea of an alternative, your claim is bust.
Keeping in mind, we have the official reports from the intelligence organizations, you can't really be denying them can you?!



Yes, as I stated, the work was started by a Republican before Steele got involved, your post confirms that. And you have not been able to refute anything I have stated.
What do you think raw intelligence from an intelligence officer specializing in Russian intelligence for decades, is? It's intelligence...that it was sent to the FBI is appropriate.

Once again, the Dossier, compiled by a credible former intelligence Russian specialist, you have not shown was the precipitating factor in the FBI investigating Russian meddling. It began based on the information I showed you, with routine CIA monitoring of Russia in Ukraine and predicted to be a problem for us, so it was being monitored. When it hit U.S. soil that I have shown you (That I know of) was the DNC being hacked.


Looks like they were already on this well before Steele. Still.

I agree, your timeline looks skimpy:

Timeline of Russia Investigation - FactCheck.org

Try this one. It includes Trumps' attempted Trump World Tower Moscow that was going on around that time, and other Russian links that you seemed to have missed. Surely you didn't' leave them out.
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The timeline from Talking Points Memo? Ok sure. Whatever you say, facts must not mean a damned thing to you. Wikipedia is NOT a good source and you are fooling yourself if you think it is.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The timeline from Talking Points Memo? Ok sure. Whatever you say, facts must not mean a damned thing to you. Wikipedia is NOT a good source and you are fooling yourself if you think it is.
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Are you insisting that you do not understand how the sources work on wikipedia, that they are all sourced and linked, and are not themselves wikipedia sources?

Please say you understand that, it's a fact.
 
Mach said:
Are you insisting that you do not understand how the sources work on wikipedia, that they are all sourced and linked, and are not themselves wikipedia sources?

Please say you understand that, it's a fact.
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Please say you understand that Wikipedia is so big its information gets changed regularly without anyone noticing...Wikipedia is not a good source, it is getting better but better to use the actual source than Wikipedia.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Please say you understand that Wikipedia is so big its information gets changed regularly without anyone noticing...Wikipedia is not a good source, it is getting better but better to use the actual source than Wikipedia.
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So you believe these two statements are not accurately communicated via Wikipedia?
Cybersecurity experts and firms, including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, Mandiant, SecureWorks, and ThreatConnect, and the editor for Ars Technica, stated the leak was part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian intelligence groups.[43][44][45][46][47][48]

U.S. intelligence agencies also stated (with "high confidence"[49]) that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the DNC, according to reports in the New York Times and the Washington Post.[49][50][51][52][53]
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If you do not contest them, then say so.
If you claim they are both incorrect, please evidence they are incorrect, I have evidenced they are correct. If you cannot, we stop there.

If you do come up with sources, I will gladly click the numbers and cite each and every source...just because you appear to imply that's necessary.
 
Fenton said:
The " resistance's " post election agenda to undermine and remove a duly elected President by any means necessary is no great secret.

Hell, almost 60 Democrats voted to impeach Trump just a couple of weeks ago, so Waters is on the money

Its what was done before Trump won thats truly disturbing.
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I agree. The idea that a Presidential campaign would have clandestine contacts with an enemy power and be picked up by security organizations around the world speaking with known Russian espionage agents is truly frightening. No to mention the son of the candidate having secret meetings with Russians with ties to Putin. Who do they think they are?
 
bubbabgone said:
You're still mistaken on key points.
I'm going to repeat this even though you've already extracted one line in an earlier comment.
Pay attention this time because I don't want to have to repeat it again.
It SHOULD clear things up for you.


You're confused.

You're thinking of a right-wing newspaper hiring FUSION to do oppo research on Trump and others but that ended by June 2016.
The cool stuff came from Steele using Russian sources to create the dossier after that.
Steele's firm was hired by FUSION who was hired by the Clinton campaign's law firm to create the dossier ... it used Russian sources.
Christopher Steele had been ex-MI6 for years by the time he birthed the dossier for FUSION/Democrat Party.

FUSION has quite a ubiquitous presence in DC politics.
- The wife of one FBI agent who was involved with Mueller's team works for FUSION.
- It's been speculated that the phony stuff from the dossier might have been used by the FBI to get FISA warrants.
The peculiar activities of some on Mueller's team (who have been reassigned) make that seem possible.
- Remember that Russian lawyer babe, Natalia Veselnitskaya? The one who had the meeting with Junior to feed him dirt on Hillary but had nothing to deliver?
Well, FUSION worked on something that involved her and one of FUSION's co-founders met with her before and after Junior's meeting.
It looks like her real purpose for the meeting had nothing to do with dirt on Hillary but rather to influence a Law Russia wanted changed that FUSION was helping with.
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You think it's a big revelation that Russia has been meddling in elections to create dissatisfaction among the electorate?
That was a surprise to you?
That's what they did this time.
What you haven't accepted, or maybe realize, yet is that the Democrat Party are their enablers.
But the best part is that you're apparently unaware you just acknowledged the Clinton Campaign colluded with Kremlin operatives.
All's well that ends well.
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Literally nothing in your post constitutes so much as a single premise that could be used to rebut the post you responded to.

You simply declare that the democrats are the ones enabling Russia. That's just ****ing stupid; democrats are the ones complaining that we haven't done enough to safeguard our democracy.
 
Mach said:
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Your unconcern that the wife of one of Mueller's team members works for a key player in matters under investigation explains your struggle with questions of ethics. Good thing Mueller didn't agree with you.

And? Are you serious, this has been speculated on by someone?! Say it isn't so!
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Would you find it disturbing if the unconfirmed dossier was used to get a FISA warrant? Or would you rather wait to say "NO" until after you find out that it was?
There's your struggle with questions of ethics again so I guess we can say NO right now, right?

Riiighht, they all went to that meeting to get dirt on Hillary, but turns out she only wanted them to do HER a favor? Yeah, that's how most such meetings work, are you really that daft?
She wanted movement on her issue, and gave them something for their issue. Why else were all those Trump guys there? Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort.
Let's imagine she's an intelligent woman. Would you be so ****ING STUPID, to lie about the purpose of the meeting with Trumps top campaign folks, and actually have the audacity to say they needed to help HER (for free)? Wouldn't they be pissed off at her? How would that help her on her issue? It wouldn't.
You must think everyone is a ****ing moron like Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...96f25a-68aa-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html
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Oooooh ... so you know they DID get something about Hillary from the Russian babe. What was it?
btw, that WAPO link confirmed what I said about Junior's meeting but not what you said.
No, not everyone is a ****ing moron like Trump but I'm thinking some people are choosing to be.

I still would like to credit you for admitting back in #85 that, yeah, Steele was hired through Hillary > the DNC > Perkins Coie > Fusion because of his Kremlin ties which he used to create the discredited dossier for Fusion > Perkins Coie >the DNC > Hillary since that's the Russian collusion we've been looking for ... it's just not Trump's collusion with Russia.

That was a serious admission because that was the point way back before you decided it would be a good idea to maybe learn something about it so you could try to defend the indefensible.
 
Absentglare said:
Literally nothing in your post constitutes so much as a single premise that could be used to rebut the post you responded to.

You simply declare that the democrats are the ones enabling Russia. That's just ****ing stupid; democrats are the ones complaining that we haven't done enough to safeguard our democracy.
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Hillary > the DNC > Perkins Coie > Fusion > Steele.
It's been in the news.
Really.
 
It looks likesometimes a coup is a good thing,eh?

:2razz:

But not when the government of Clili is being replacht-wing dictatorship that makesits enemies 'disappespear'
 
Mach said:
So you believe these two statements are not accurately communicated via Wikipedia?


If you do not contest them, then say so.
If you claim they are both incorrect, please evidence they are incorrect, I have evidenced they are correct. If you cannot, we stop there.

If you do come up with sources, I will gladly click the numbers and cite each and every source...just because you appear to imply that's necessary.
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I fear you ask the impossible of the incapable.
 
shrubnose said:
It looks likesometimes a coup is a good thing,eh?

:2razz:

But not when the government of Clili is being replacht-wing dictatorship that makesits enemies 'disappespear'
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Was the pig-Polish, Lech?
 
its 2017!!!! LMAO

I can't believe stuff like this is still even talked about like its debatable.

Fox news and MSNBC are two of the most biased news networks. Fox is like the MJ of dishonesty and biased and MSNBC is like the Lebron. (If you feel thats backwards thats fine too but they are the worse/best depending on how you look at it)

ANYBODY and I repeat ANYBODY that thinks EITHER of those news networks is NOT biased is biased themselves and part of the problem LMAO People like that cant be taken seriously.
 
AGENT J said:
its 2017!!!! LMAO

I can't believe stuff like this is still even talked about like its debatable.

Fox news and MSNBC are two of the most biased news networks. Fox is like the MJ of dishonesty and biased and MSNBC is like the Lebron. (If you feel thats backwards thats fine too but they are the worse/best depending on how you look at it)

ANYBODY and I repeat ANYBODY that thinks EITHER of those news networks is NOT biased is biased themselves and part of the problem LMAO People like that cant be taken seriously.
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The news department at Fox News is as credible as they come. The stories being discussed on this thread came from their news department, and have been picked up by CNN, Newsweek, CNBC and others.

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Grim17 said:
The news department at Fox News is as credible as they come.
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LMAO:2rofll:
Thank you SO MUCH for proving my point.
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO:2rofll:
Thank you SO MUCH for proving my point.
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Your words are meaningless without anything to back them up with.

I have challenged so many over the years to watch Special Report and point out their bias, and nobody has done so yet... Care to be the first, or are you content in your ignorance?

p.s. that was rhetorical. we already know the answer.
 
Grim17 said:
1.)Your words are meaningless without anything to back them up with.
2.)I have challenged so many over the years to watch Special Report and point out their bias, and nobody has done so yet... Care to be the first, or are you content in your ignorance?

p.s. that was rhetorical. we already know the answer.
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1.) your proven wrong opinions now and over the years dont matter to me or honest, educated and objective posters here :lol:
2.) i have seen your posts get destroyed countless times by facts no matter how many times you post denials about it. I myself have done it along with many others so i wouldnt be the first. id be in a long list of posters that have destroyed your lies right left and center:)
3.) LMAO who is we?

A claim has been made:
Who here thinks Fox news is one of the most credible news sources out there and who here thinks the posts of grim are also just as credible, Please step forward and identify yourself . Is there ONE honest, educated, objective poster that believes and supports those two claims? one?

:popcorn2:
 
AGENT J said:
1.) your proven wrong opinions now and over the years dont matter to me or honest, educated and objective posters here :lol:
2.) i have seen your posts get destroyed countless times by facts no matter how many times you post denials about it. I myself have done it along with many others so i wouldnt be the first. id be in a long list of posters that have destroyed your lies right left and center:)
3.) LMAO who is we?

A claim has been made:
Who here thinks Fox news is one of the most credible news sources out there and who here thinks the posts of grim are also just as credible, Please step forward and identify yourself . Is there ONE honest, educated, objective poster that believes and supports those two claims? one?

:popcorn2:
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Again, nothing but baseless assertions.

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Dittohead not! said:
If the point is that we messed with Chilean elections, so it's OK that Russia messed with ours, then I do get your point.

Yes, the US messed with internal politics in Chile and a lot of other places. Does that mean we need to just lay down and let Russia pay us back for having done so?
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Nobody has proved the Russians "messed with ours", except for various ads on social media sites, whatever on earth that may be worth.

NOBODY has proved it. Yes, yes, many have claimed that, but nobody has proved it, and a year has gone by. As VIPS have shown, the DNC material was leaked, not hacked.

But the government and MSM keep the narrative going endlessly, and the brainwashed public, certain parts of it, lap it up.
 
The nearest thing to a coup RFN is the Repulicans and their uber-rich donors cashing in their investment. At the middle-classes' expense.
 
It seems fitting that the most ignorant posts on this thread are also Fox News worshipers. I couldn't get past the first few pages before rolling my eyes turned to disgust.

I just don't understand how, in the United States, where the free flow of information exists, so many Americans can purposefully choose to have their twisted and perverted world perspective so obviously pandered to and love it. And I am talking about the same bunch of people who defied virtually every scientist on the planet because they believed that Global Warming was a hoax. But hey, praise Jesus and a teenage defiling God!
 
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