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Fox military analyst says torture worked on McCain: 'They call him Songbird John'

camlok said:
Americans think that their war criminals should get "respect" but Nazi war criminals and other US described boogeymen du jour don't deserve respect.

Just consider how many US war criminals/US terrorists there were/are living among you when the USA has been at war for 93% of its years as a rogue nation.

Look at all the US infrastructure that is named after US war criminals/terrorists. Perhaps Arizona will name one of their sewage treatment facilities after McCain?
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Oh turn this way and look at the birdie !! Lame diversion
 
camlok said:
You can't speak of rationality when you ignore the myriad war crimes and terrorism of the US since its terrorist beginnings. Compare the lies to the reality.

"beacon of freedom" versus no freedom in any of the US illegal invasions - just the usual US installed vicious, brutal right wing dictatorship.

Tens of millions slaughtered in these US illegal invasions thereby denying the rights of those murdered to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Hundreds of millions with their lives ruined, their countries wealth stolen thereby denying the rights of those murdered to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Totally lying about the USA's actual evil role in the world for all these long centuries. Pretending to be a kind, benevolent, generous nation.
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There really is no point in responding to you. Your gauge is stuck on venomous and irrational hate. However, for all you Conservatives out there who like to toss the word "leftist" at anybody who even slightly leans left.....witness what an actual global Leftist looks like. The global leftist is a self-appointed voice of conscious, which deals in mundane day-to-day details in order to derail the bigger efforts of braver men. His kind, if he hated carpenters, would complain wildly about the evils of Noah's Ark if Shem got a splinter.

The global left routinely remains largely silent, until they can show the errors of American action. From this, all local responsibility dissipates into nothingness and all focus falls upon the evil American empire for doing something, not doing something, not doing enough, doing too much, or for simply speaking of it. "Long centuries" of European colonialism, imperialism, and stolen resources and wealth, becomes an American sin because we were not experienced enough in the world to change the game abruptly in 1945. "Long centuries" becomes our burden. This is how the global Left shrugs off its own history while pushing it's continued conduct somewhere else. And what better place to push it than the inheritor who takes the blame? Imagine a disgraced thief and murderer on the streets hating the successful do-gooder in the neighborhood for being anything less than pure and getting away with it.

The U.S. inherited this world, which was created by Europeans for centuries through other local dictators. It was they who developed the blueprint for creating "order" in underdeveloped countries and the U.S. was simply too inexperienced in 1945 to do anything but follow the trend. Besides, the bigger effort was creating a global economic and organizational system by which supposed "enlightened" powers in Europe would have to behave. This is what the IMF, the International Bank, the Marshall Plan, NATO, and the UN was all about. It had to do with not only those European nations, but their many colonial basket cases all over the world that was suddenly shocked out of parentage. And the only reason the U.S. was able to pull the world closer to our corner is that Europeans had just spent half a century completely crapping all over itself, leaving them without choice.

Our official policy to create an economic theme in the world, which catered to free-market capitalism and democracy, is exactly why World War III continues to be an imagined threat instead of a realization. It is exactly why we chose to focus on "communism" as a threat and exaggerated anything Stalin did as an excuse to create policies that stemmed from NSC-68. In the mean time, eggs were certainly broken; and some very needlessly. For example, it was the British who convinced Eisenhower (after Truman refused) that a coup in Iran was necessary. Another example? It was the French who coerced the U.S. into Vietnam to assist with reestablishing its colony so that France would play ball in Western Europe. In the end, the U.S. erred on the side of allies who refused to give up their old ways. The U.S. allowed them to suck us into their game in order to establish the wider effort.

The smack to the global Left's face comes with the knowledge that local governments, filled with the local populace, did and do to their own. Blaming the foreign devil is always far easier than looking in the mirror and assuming the responsibility of change. History is full of better/braver men who led revolutions to establish new governments. The twentieth century is rich with successful history. But the global Left usually falls to two kinds of people: (1) those who lack the will to organize but are satisfied with blaming foreign devils for not allowing revolt and (2) Europeans who resent their own histories to the point where they find the taste better if they can chastise the young upstarts across the Atlantic as if history began in 1945 when Europeans were peace loving folk and passed the torch over.

I hope I don't get gigged for this. But this guy slightly annoys me.
 
Just curious Sarge--if there is no point in responding, why do you respond?

Some purpose must have been served.
 
MSgt said:
The U.S. inherited this world, which was created by Europeans for centuries through other local dictators. It was they who developed the blueprint for creating "order" in underdeveloped countries and the U.S. was simply too inexperienced in 1945 to do anything but follow the trend.
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I've never heard that nutty lie advanced before. Where did it come from?
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Just curious Sarge--if there is no point in responding, why do you respond?

Some purpose must have been served.
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Dr Strangelove on steroids.
 
MSgt said:
Our official policy to create an economic theme in the world, which catered to free-market capitalism and democracy, is exactly why World War III continues to be an imagined threat instead of a realization.
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Msgt, you make a lot of good points but this is just wrong. I don't think we ever catered to democracy. We have a pretty long track record of catering to dictatorships. So much so, we've undermined quite a few democracies to install dictatorships.
 
We have an administration that claims it is pro-troops and pro-law enforcement but insults members of the military and law enforcement with impunity. I recall a few weeks ago Trump calling the fbi, who were executing a legal search warrant, “storm troopers.”
 
Casper said:
If you have nothing to add maybe you shouldn't try.
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Yet that is all it is.

I am getting tired of all this BS from the anti Trump camp. They find anything, no matter how small or asinine and just run with it at the mouth ad nauseam.

I would like it if people could stick to policy for once and yet all I see is this nonsense.
 
Oborosen said:
Yet that is all it is.

I am getting tired of all this BS from the anti Trump camp. They find anything, no matter how small or asinine and just run with it at the mouth ad nauseam.

I would like it if people could stick to policy for once and yet all I see is this nonsense.
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So when another country bribes a US President it is no big deal to you?
 
How is waterboarding 'torture"?
 
Casper said:
So when another country bribes a US President it is no big deal to you?
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If they can actually prove it was a bride this time, yes it will be.

Though that would be a damning matter for many of the candidates during the election. Especially Hillary.

Then again, they call wolf so many times. I am pretty surprised that anyone on either side of the camp believes these people.
 
Oborosen said:
If they can actually prove it was a bride this time, yes it will be.

Though that would be a damning matter for many of the candidates during the election. Especially Hillary.

Then again, they call wolf so many times. I am pretty surprised that anyone on either side of the camp believes these people.
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We shall see, it will be scrutinized in-depth, that we can count in.
 
JANFU said:
Former Fox military analyst says torture worked on McCain: 'They call him Songbird John' | TheHill


No doubt many will defend these attacks.
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How many of you will volunteer to be tortured in the North Vietnamese style just to see if you are as tough as you think you are. Maybe you don't have a breaking point like in the movies. I'll bet you tough guys are tougher than any US soldier. Rambo even! You guys act like countries actual give a **** about the Geneva Convention. Good luck with that. The world is full of torturers and killers. Get used to it.

What a bunch of Richard heads.
 
Casper said:
We shall see, it will be scrutinized in-depth, that we can count in.
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Agreed, though political discourse is all in the spirit of this. I am somewhat drained by all the stupidity that these two years has trudged up on both sides of the isle.

I honestly don't see a chance for them to find an actual bribe in all of this. They have been grasping for straws for a while now and even though they are cutting some weeds from the garden. Trump is the main root they want to pull, but no real option for that exist quite yet.

We will see and I am betting on it being more a cringe inducing spectacle. Then some glorious, legal happenstance.
 
I ain't buying it. And I didn't like it when Candidate Trump made those remarks about him. But I will support President Trump regardless of how brutish he can be.
 
jmotivator said:
I won't defend the attacks, but I do find it interesting that so many sources try to minimize that the source is fellow war hero Gen. Thomas McInerney and instead blame Fox News.
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Faux shipped out McInerney after his offenses which is testimony of how low he goes. As we know with our eyes closed Faux is neither the standard of journalism nor of good temperament. So McInerney had to do the perp walk for rightwingers who howl at the moon. McInerney's pal Michael Flynn is also notorious for his own perp walking....


Lt. Gen. McInerney: Michael Flynn does not lie

Fox Business Videos•February 15, 2017

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/lt-gen-mcinerney-michael-flynn-214206996.html?guccounter=1


Actuality about Flynn is that he doesn't report his subterfuge until the G-Men get him. And they got him. Further, and despite McInerney pumping blue smoke and mirrors about Flynn his pal got caught with his hand in Putin's cookies. Fortunately, virtually all military commanders at the Pentagon are the opposite of both Flynn and McInerney, to include most if not all of the retired headline four-stars. McInerney and Flynn are a bad Irish ballad about two now disgraced three-stars. As it was, the retired Admiral Mike Mullen who served two terms as chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff called Flynn after his Cleveland convention disgrace to admonish Flynn of conduct unbecoming a retired general officer. Both McInerney and Flynn have now been run out by two different sides of the issues before us. I like generals who don't get run out. It's also true there are always intelligence officers who turn their coat inside out. I like intelligence officers who don't become turncoats.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Not in the short term and not when gathering usable intelligence.. But is has been found effective in getting a "confession" (often false) over the ages.
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The British had a very effective tactic for getting intelligence from high ranking German officers.

They kept them together in relative luxury on an estate so they were well fed and cared for. Even spoiled.
Then they would start talking amongst themselves.
Of course, the whole place was littered with microphones.
 
Waddy said:
have you?
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Yeah.

So explain why it should be considered torture.
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Well number one because it is.

Torture doesn't have to be someone using a power drill on your kneecap or sticking a red hot poker against you. Waterboarding is a mix of psychological and physical; it makes you feel like you're drowning even though you're not. Your body automatically goes into defense mode for a threat that's not really there. Even though in the back of your mind you know it's not really true, that voice can't override the instinctive reaction that screams at you. I lasted seven seconds, and I wasn't even restrained.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
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Well number one because it is.

Torture doesn't have to be someone using a power drill on your kneecap or sticking a red hot poker against you. Waterboarding is a mix of psychological and physical; it makes you feel like you're drowning even though you're not. Your body automatically goes into defense mode for a threat that's not really there. Even though in the back of your mind you know it's not really true, that voice can't override the instinctive reaction that screams at you. I lasted seven seconds, and I wasn't even restrained.
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That sounds rough but not torture. Any lasting physical effects?
 
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