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Four Moscow airports shut as Ukraine blasts capital with massive drone blitz for fourth night as explosions rock city

redbeer said:
Well sure, but they're not the only guilty parties here......Obama, Biden, secret CIA bases along their border, the corrupt pay to play, and of course the westward expansion of NATO. But, it's all RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, huh?
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None of what you mentioned warrants invasion by Russia.
 
redbeer said:
Well sure, but they're not the only guilty parties here......Obama, Biden, secret CIA bases along their border, the corrupt pay to play, and of course the westward expansion of NATO. But, it's all RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, huh?
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Correct! It's all RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!! Putin's Russia is the unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine, who did absolutely nothing to instigate being invaded and occupied, let alone threaten mother Russia. Nothing at all. And the idea that anything that Obama, Biden or the CIA did to provoke Putin's naked aggression, violation of treaty, and Ukrainian sovereignty, is total bullshit. Who gives a **** if NATO shares a border with Russia? What do you think is sacred about the Russian border? Mad Vlad has, by his own ignorance and aggression, managed to increase his border with NATO by 1,500 kilometers! If his excuse was because he wanted NOT to border NATO, his violent land grab has accomplished just the opposite! He isn't fooling anybody, and has now lost control over the Baltic Sea through his unprovoked aggression in Ukraine.
 
NuffSaid said:
That's what MAGA really wants.
They despise Zelensky and want him to suffer as much as humanly possible.
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Or maybe most of us don't give a shit about either one and I'd rather not fund their war.

Perhaps go with that one!
 
Cope said:
Or maybe most of us don't give a shit about either one and I'd rather not fund their war.

Perhaps go with that one!
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Yet we fund Israel in their on-going clashes with Iran.
 
If I were Ukraine, I would hit all Russian airports.

Isolate the Russians. Make them broke, alone, and unable to bring in supplies.
 
redbeer said:
Well sure, but they're not the only guilty parties here......Obama, Biden, secret CIA bases along their border, the corrupt pay to play, and of course the westward expansion of NATO.
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Moose shit.

And it's eastward expansion. And that eastward expansion wouldn't be happening if Putzin didn't keep threatening Russia's neighbors.

redbeer said:
But, it's all RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, huh?
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Yes. Russia is the 100% guilty party.
 
Cope said:
Or maybe most of us don't give a shit about either one and I'd rather not fund their war.

Perhaps go with that one!
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So you'd leave Ukraine defenseless, at the mercy of a murderous tyrant?
 
Roadvirus said:
So you'd leave Ukraine defenseless, at the mercy of a murderous tyrant?
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Seems to me they aren't so defenseless, now eh?

They have this amazing drone technology, HOME GROWN I hear.

War to me is WAR. It needs to be terrible. It needs to have a clear win condition, not moral victories. If the people perpetrating war want moral victories, or victories in the news, or 24 hr news cycle, I am not interested. If the WORLD got sick of Putin invading a country, then by all means go to WAR.

This, this aint it.
 
Cope said:
Seems to me they aren't so defenseless, now eh?

They have this amazing drone technology, HOME GROWN I hear.
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Because of funding & R&D assistance from NATO countries.
 
Cope said:
War to me is WAR. It needs to be terrible. It needs to have a clear win condition, not moral victories.
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What if the “clear win condition” is based on a moral or ideological victory? Did the United States, for example, expend hundreds of thousands of lives helping to liberate Europe from one tyrant just to hand it over to another one? Harry Truman didn’t think so, and he was a man who understood how to prosecute total war and set a clear if uncompromising war aim. But let me take a moment to delve back deeper into history.

The foundational argument in favor of the American colonies separating from England and going to war against the British Crown centered around a singularly moral question: do the people of this planet possess a natural right to overthrow a tyrant and govern themselves? The American answer was decidedly yes. As a result, they built a very capable if ill-equipped army to confront the Redcoats. But just imagine if France had said “Not my problem, monsieur,” and not sent an army and fleet to confront the besieged General Cornwallis and the Royal Navy at the decisive battles at Yorktown and Chesapeake Bay. Trump probably wouldn’t be making plans to celebrate the 250th Anniversary of the United States of America along with his MAGA “patriot army” with a WWE match on the White House lawn. 🇺🇸🤼‍♂️🇺🇸
 
MamboDervish said:
Correct! It's all RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!! Putin's Russia is the unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine, who did absolutely nothing to instigate being invaded and occupied, let alone threaten mother Russia. Nothing at all. And the idea that anything that Obama, Biden or the CIA did to provoke Putin's naked aggression, violation of treaty, and Ukrainian sovereignty, is total bullshit. Who gives a **** if NATO shares a border with Russia? What do you think is sacred about the Russian border? Mad Vlad has, by his own ignorance and aggression, managed to increase his border with NATO by 1,500 kilometers! If his excuse was because he wanted NOT to border NATO, his violent land grab has accomplished just the opposite! He isn't fooling anybody, and has now lost control over the Baltic Sea through his unprovoked aggression in Ukraine.
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Bullshit ! The WEST is unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine . The West , who started this war by launching bloody fascist coup in 2014 . The west hoped that Ukraine will put up with this illegal seize of power , but Donbass people said : NO.
AND then Western puppets started the bloody war against their own citizens .
 
dandolo2k said:
Bullshit ! The WEST is unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine . The West , who started this war by launching bloody fascist coup in 2014 . The west hoped that Ukraine will put up with this illegal seize of power , but Donbass people said : NO.
AND then Western puppets started the bloody war against their own citizens .
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Hey, Ivan, I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but Putin, besides putting NATO squarely on an additional 1,340 kilometers of Russia’s land border with Finland’s membership, has cost Russia one million lives and countless more physically and mentally maimed men, thousands of tanks, aircraft, APCs, air-defense systems, artillery systems, flamethrowers, ships, AND ruined its economy. Why? Because Putin wanted Ukraine as a vassal state, like Stalinist Belarus. Not happening, bro. His gambit will go down in history as one of the worst strategic blunders in the history of warfare, along with Hitler and Stalin’s invasion of Poland.
 
dandolo2k said:
I am really good at opening peoples’ eyes for truth .
So as my good silly buddy likes to put it :
— Your wrong opinion is noted
— And laughed at .
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The truth is Russia and its previously overrated army are gettin their heads handed to them by a bunch of sunflower and watermelon farmers. You know you suck when you let your fallen soldiers’ bodies rot on the battlefield because your corrupt command staff is running out of money to pay their widows compensation. Only a moron would join Putin’s army. That’s the truth.

 
dandolo2k said:
Bullshit ! The WEST is unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine . The West , who started this war by launching bloody fascist coup in 2014 . The west hoped that Ukraine will put up with this illegal seize of power , but Donbass people said : NO.
AND then Western puppets started the bloody war against their own citizens .
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Your revisionist history is almost more bullshit than can be tolerated by thinking people. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA started this war to take back eastern Europe, and Putin and the Kremlin's incompetence has failed miserably at conquering a much smaller country in more than 3-1/2 years.

MORE THAN THREE AND A HALF YEARS! 🤣😂🤣

And there's a very good reason for their success over the much bigger, much better armed military power. Because the people of Ukraine are Ukrainian, and do not want to be subsumed into a new Russian bloc. So Putin's Kremlin will continue to be beaten back until they are driven outside Ukrainian borders once again. They cannot even hope to replace most of the armaments they have lost, nor any of the 1,000,000+ casualties they have suffered in Putin's idiocy. They might just as well throw in the towel now before they lose their entire country.
 
MamboDervish said:
Your revisionist history is almost more bullshit than can be tolerated by thinking people. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA started this war to take back eastern Europe, and Putin and the Kremlin's incompetence has failed miserably at conquering a much smaller country in more than 3-1/2 years.

MORE THAN THREE AND A HALF YEARS! 🤣😂🤣

And there's a very good reason for their success over the much bigger, much better armed military power. Because the people of Ukraine are Ukrainian, and do not want to be subsumed into a new Russian bloc. So Putin's Kremlin will continue to be beaten back until they are driven outside Ukrainian borders once again. They cannot even hope to replace most of the armaments they have lost, nor any of the 1,000,000+ casualties they have suffered in Putin's idiocy. They might just as well throw in the towel now before they lose their entire country.
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Keep waiting for the towel .
 
dandolo2k said:
Keep waiting for the towel .
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Keep waiting for Putin's victory. He's already more than 3 years over due. We can all retire, and Putin will die of natural causes before he takes Kyiv.

😁
 
dandolo2k said:
Bullshit ! The WEST is unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine .
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A bald faced lie.

dandolo2k said:
The West , who started this war by launching bloody fascist coup in 2014 .
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The West didn't launch a bloody fascist coup.

dandolo2k said:
The west hoped that Ukraine will put up with this illegal seize of power , but Donbass people said : NO.
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What "illegal seize of power"? The Rada legally removed Yanukovich from office.

dandolo2k said:
AND then Western puppets started the bloody war against their own citizens .
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:ROFLMAO:
 
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