Former Trump operative Roger Stone met with Russian who wanted $2M for Clinton dirt

[haymarket]

It was just an offer of information, how it was to be received (which never happened) was yet to be determined. Hell for that matter we don't even know if the information could or would have been determined to be a "thing of value".

An offer of information to the campaign to help them get elected is the virtual definition of a CONTRIBUTION.

We know that Trump Jr, felt it was valuable enough to make a big deal about the meeting and get others at the top of the food chain in on it. He even speculated about its value in his initial reply.

 

[haymarket]

You're claiming criminal behavior without even an indictment stemming from the Towers meeting. Getting way ahead of yourself aren't we ??

Where did I make a post claiming I was Robert Mueller?

I am presenting two things
1- the federal law
2- the email chain setting up the Trump Tower meeting

Any rational person would conclude that the law was broken when the illegal offer of help to the Trump campaign was accepted by top Trump officials.

 

[hanger4]

An offer of information to the campaign to help them get elected is the virtual definition of a CONTRIBUTION.

We know that Trump Jr, felt it was valuable enough to make a big deal about the meeting and get others at the top of the food chain in on it. He even speculated about its value in his initial reply.

No it's not, it's simply an offer of information and until that offer was carried through (which it wasn't) we'll never know how it was to be treated.

 

[haymarket]

No it's not, it's simply an offer of information and until that offer was carried through (which it wasn't) we'll never know how it was to be treated.

And that Russian offer of illegal information to the Trump campaign made it a contribution which is illegal. It fits the dictionary definition of the term perfectly.

con·tri·bu·tion
ˌkäntrəˈbyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
a gift or payment to a common fund or collection.
"charitable contributions"
synonyms: donation, gift, offering, present, handout, grant, subsidy, allowance, endowment, subscription; formalbenefaction
"voluntary financial contributions"

No rational person could conclude otherwise.

 

[hanger4]

Where did I make a post claiming I was Robert Mueller?

I am presenting two things
1- the federal law
2- the email chain setting up the Trump Tower meeting

Any rational person would conclude that the law was broken when the illegal offer of help to the Trump campaign was accepted by top Trump officials.

You said "the criminal behavior of the Trump Campaign". I never said anything about Mueller, you might need to take a break, you're beginning to make things up and flail about.

Actually a rational person would at least wait for criminal indictments to be levied before claiming criminal behavior.

 

[hanger4]

And that Russian offer of illegal information to the Trump campaign made it a contribution which is illegal. It fits the dictionary definition of the term perfectly.



No rational person could conclude otherwise.

Yeah, you run with that haymarket, call me when indictments are levied, until that time there is no there there. Toodles :2wave:

 

[haymarket]

You said "the criminal behavior of the Trump Campaign". I never said anything about Mueller, you might need to take a break, you're beginning to make things up and flail about.

Actually a rational person would at least wait for criminal indictments to be levied before claiming criminal behavior.

The only "break" necessary is the one the American people need from criminals who conspired with Russians to steal and election and our nations highest office.

And any rational person can apply the law to an event which is not in dispute and make a reasonable conclusion that a crime did occur and the law was violated.

 

[haymarket]

Yeah, you run with that haymarket, call me when indictments are levied, until that time there is no there there. Toodles :2wave:

I will be glad to remind you what that inevitable day arrives. You have a good day.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

And that Russian offer of illegal information to the Trump campaign made it a contribution which is illegal. It fits the dictionary definition of the term perfectly.



No rational person could conclude otherwise.

Was the offer from a "Russian" or an FBI informant? The person who made the offer was both.

Questions to ponder...

 

[cabse5]

SIAP.
On a side note, how much did the Hillary campaign pay Michael Steele for his unverified 'dirt' on Trump?

EDIT:apdst, I acknowledge you first touched on this subject with post #16 of this thread.

 

[haymarket]

Was the offer from a "Russian" or an FBI informant? The person who made the offer was both.

Questions to ponder...

here it is

The email exchange Trump Jr. released, in chronological order

the offer of illegal help

Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best
Rob Goldstone

and the acceptance of illegal help from the Russians by Trump Jr.

Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,
Don

 

[Jack Fabulous]

here it is

The email exchange Trump Jr. released, in chronological order

the offer of illegal help



and the acceptance of illegal help from the Russians by Trump Jr.

"Rob Goldstone" is an FBI informant.

The word "entrapment" comes to mind...

 

[Athanasius68]

An offer of information to the campaign to help them get elected is the virtual definition of a CONTRIBUTION.

We know that Trump Jr, felt it was valuable enough to make a big deal about the meeting and get others at the top of the food chain in on it. He even speculated about its value in his initial reply.

Nothing was offered. Somebody approached the campaign and said he knows somebody who knows somebody who might have stuff on Clinton...

Thats the theme that runs through the stories about Trump Jr., PapaD and now it looks like Stone.
Its not particulary surprising, given that we know Russia tried to interfere with the election.

One of these days it might be nice for it be acknowledged that the information found in the Steele dossier could also be part of the Russian efforts to interfere with the election as well.

 

[Atomic Kid]

"Rob Goldstone" is an FBI informant.

The word "entrapment" comes to mind...

LOL! I wish that he had been a FBI informant because then the FBI would have been right there in position to catch everybody red handed. Game over!

 

[Atomic Kid]

Nothing was offered. Somebody approached the campaign and said he knows somebody who knows somebody who might have stuff on Clinton...

Thats the theme that runs through the stories about Trump Jr., PapaD and now it looks like Stone.
Its not particulary surprising, given that we know Russia tried to interfere with the election.

One of these days it might be nice for it be acknowledged that the information found in the Steele dossier could also be part of the Russian efforts to interfere with the election as well.

Nothing was offered? Do you know how to read?

 

[Athanasius68]

Nothing was offered? Do you know how to read?

Of course. What was offered?

 

[hanger4]

Nothing was offered? Do you know how to read?

What was accepted ??

 

[Jack Fabulous]

LOL! I wish that he had been a FBI informant because then the FBI would have been right there in position to catch everybody red handed. Game over!

It may be impossible for you to actually do this, I'm afraid, but at least give it a try. Let's examine the facts as we know them without a politically biased lens.

-A "Russian" named "Henry Greenberg" contacted Roger Stone under the guise of having "damaging information" on Hillary Clinton.

-Stone accepted the meeting and "Henry Greenberg" offered to sell him said "damaging information" for 2 million dollars.

-Stone rejected the offer.

-No "damaging information" OR money was exchanged.

-No crime took place.

-"Henry Greenberg" is an alias for Henry Oknyansky, who is an FBI informant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZKcU_r76U


These are all facts and they are not in dispute.

 

[Atomic Kid]

What was accepted ??

LOL! Try helping your buddy Athanasius. At least it's apparent that you understand from the email that something was indeed offered. Now I shall answer your question with a question of mine own. If I offer someone a bribe and he or she subsequently rejects it. Have I still not committed a crime?

 

[hanger4]

LOL! Try helping your buddy Athanasius. At least it's apparent that you understand from the email that something was indeed offered. Now I shall answer your question with a question of mine own. If I offer someone a bribe and he or she subsequently rejects it. Have I still not committed a crime?

*If I offer someone a bribe and he or she subsequently rejects it. Have I still not committed a crime?*

Absolutely, arrest the Russian lawyer.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

LOL! Try helping your buddy Athanasius. At least it's apparent that you understand from the email that something was indeed offered. Now I shall answer your question with a question of mine own. If I offer someone a bribe and he or she subsequently rejects it. Have I still not committed a crime?

You do realize that under your analogy "Henry Greenberg"(aka Henry Oknyansky, FBI informant) would be the one who committed the crime, don't you?

 

[Atomic Kid]

It may be impossible for you to actually do this, I'm afraid, but at least give it a try. Let's examine the facts as we know them without a politically biased lens.

-A "Russian" named "Henry Greenberg" contacted Roger Stone under the guise of having "damaging information" on Hillary Clinton.

-Stone accepted the meeting and "Henry Greenberg" offered to sell him said "damaging information" for 2 million dollars.

-Stone rejected the offer.

-No "damaging information" OR money was exchanged.

-No crime took place.

-"Henry Greenberg" is an alias for Henry Oknyansky, who is an FBI informant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZKcU_r76U


These are all facts and they are not in dispute.

LOL! Oh so now everybody is a FBI informant. Technically speaking Stone perhaps did not violate FEC law by agreeing to a meeting because he was not an 'official' member of the Trump campaign. Although his role as official unofficial adviser and friend of the President in under examination by the Special Counsel. His crime was not disclosing the Greenberg/Hillary/2 million dollar offer/contact in his testimony before a congressional committee in which he denied have with any contacts with Russians. Even though texts between Stone and Caputo clearly illustrate that they were both were fully aware Greenberg, aka Oknyansky. was Russian and they were indeed interested.

Caputo : "How crazy is the Russian?"

Stone : "Wants big &$ money for the info-waste of time."

Caputo : "The Russian way. Anything interesting?"

Stone : "No"

I think you can expect, as he does, a forthcoming indictment by Mueller.

 

[hanger4]

It may be impossible for you to actually do this, I'm afraid, but at least give it a try. Let's examine the facts as we know them without a politically biased lens.

-A "Russian" named "Henry Greenberg" contacted Roger Stone under the guise of having "damaging information" on Hillary Clinton.

-Stone accepted the meeting and "Henry Greenberg" offered to sell him said "damaging information" for 2 million dollars.

-Stone rejected the offer.

-No "damaging information" OR money was exchanged.

-No crime took place.

-"Henry Greenberg" is an alias for Henry Oknyansky, who is an FBI informant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZKcU_r76U


These are all facts and they are not in dispute.

I don't believe the offer to sell or the purchase (if) was illegal. After all the DNC/Clinton Campaign purchased information "indirectly" from foreign nationals also.

 

[Atomic Kid]

*If I offer someone a bribe and he or she subsequently rejects it. Have I still not committed a crime?*

Absolutely, arrest the Russian lawyer.

Arrest Junior too then because it's obvious that he was more than willing and even eager to accept it had it been actually produced. Not to mention he didn't inform the FBI or any other law enforcement entity of the offer. Before or afterwards. Despite having explicitly been warned by the FBI that they could expect Russian infiltration or influence attempts into their campaign. Plus apparently a decision was made to deliberately exclude any legal counsel from the Trump campaign from participating in or monitoring the meeting. Clear indications of criminal intent.

 

[hanger4]

Arrest Junior too then because it's obvious that he was more than willing and even eager to accept it had it been actually produced. Not to mention he didn't inform the FBI or any other law enforcement entity of the offer. Before or afterwards. Despite having explicitly been warned by the FBI that they could expect Russian infiltration or influence attempts into their campaign. Plus apparently a decision was made to deliberately exclude any legal counsel from the Trump campaign from participating in or monitoring the meeting. Clear indications of criminal intent.

You can't know if the "thing of value" would have been accepted or even how it would have been accepted because nothing was given, it was a ruse.