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Ford vs Chevy

KevinKohler said:
Seems off topic, I know...but stick with me, here, it will relate, trust me.

You got Ford fans, and Chevy fans, in the racing community. And of course, all of them, be it a mustang or a camero, or a focus, or even a corvette, or modified. Changed.

Mustang guys have been dropping Chevy 350s into their stands for years, and camaro guys have long enjoyed using ford 9 bolt rear diffs.

So, the question...at what point is a mustang no longer a mustang? If I build a 5.0 notch back, full cage, LS1 (Chevy motor) with a t56 trans, and a Dana 44 rear (from a corvette), is it still a mustang? Why, or why not?
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Hmm... I guess it depends on whether you care more about the superficial appearance or what's under the hood. ;)
 
PirateMk1 said:
Don't knock the modern 4's and v6 in the current iteration of the Stang they each put out over 300 ponies and weigh a couple hundred pounds less than the V8 version. But I have to admit your response made me laugh. :lol:
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The current generation Camaro V6 is pretty sweet, too. Revs beautifully. I really enjoyed my test drive.
 
PirateMk1 said:
That's pretty much how I see it. The Shelby Cobra being the prime production example. Basically the only thing British on those is the coachwork. On my Triumph Spitfire I have a Motus V4 mounted to a Tremec T-56 light weight version with most the rest of the car with the exception of the dark lord Lucas's wiring, is from Triumph, the rear suspension is a modified Rotoflex that came on the GT6. I still think of my Spitfire as Triumph and British just slightly modified.
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Spitfire? Must have masochist bent! I was big into TR-3s in the 1970s. Had a yard full of projects. About 15 years ago I bought a restored 1959. When you are 20 a car with minimal suspension is no big worry, at 55+ it’s a little different. I drove a ‘56 from San Jose to Ft Bragg in ’73. Another adventure....
 
ecofarm said:
No.

This is worse than standing on graves for political purpose. It's worse than standing on soldiers. You're standing on muscle cars. How dare you?
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Yeah. I know.

But its a problem. People want to be called something that other people don't think they are. Its kinda like race, too. What IS black? African American, lol? Plenty of white folk born and raised in Africa...for generations. But they ain't black.

Apearances. That's what matters.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... I guess it depends on whether you care more about the superficial appearance or what's under the hood. ;)
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What if you don't know what's under the hood...you just see it going by one day?
 
KevinKohler said:
Yeah. I know.

But its a problem. People want to be called something that other people don't think they are. Its kinda like race, too. What IS black? African American, lol? Plenty of white folk born and raised in Africa...for generations. But they ain't black.

Appearances. That's what matters.
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I think you misspelled “content of their character.”
 
Rexedgar said:
I think you misspelled “content of their character.”
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You don't get that from a person you pass on the street, or a stranger you see walking into a restroom.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... I guess it depends on whether you care more about the superficial appearance or what's under the hood. ;)
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Or when getting ready to get moving and you find it has a stick shift rather than an automatic
 
KevinKohler said:
You don't get that from a person you pass on the street, or a stranger you see walking into a restroom.
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I don’t buy your argument equating cars with people. I kinda got why you chose this forum and the OP, but I don’t agree.....as to your quote that appearances is what matters, that’s way too superficial, imo
 
Rexedgar said:
I don’t buy your argument equating cars with people. I kinda got why you chose this forum and the OP, but I don’t agree.....as to your quote that appearances is what matters, that’s way too superficial, imo
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But that's who we are.


You're walking down the street, and you see a hot chick go by, that was a girl. Or a guy in a suit pass, with a beard...you think, that's a dude. Content of character don't enter into it.
 
Rexedgar said:
Spitfire? Must have masochist bent! I was big into TR-3s in the 1970s. Had a yard full of projects. About 15 years ago I bought a restored 1959. When you are 20 a car with minimal suspension is no big worry, at 55+ it’s a little different. I drove a ‘56 from San Jose to Ft Bragg in ’73. Another adventure....
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I routinely drive mine on long trips. I used to race SCCA events with a Spitfire, I loved kicking Ferrari and Porsches ass, they could never go near as deep into a turn as I could, They would catch up on a straightway only to have to back out in a turn. I always thought of my Spitfire as a supped up go kart and drove it like that. Passing vehicles at speed is an experience as my car is so light the back wash of air really effects it as I pass. I make it a point to pass quickly as that backwash makes the handling squirrelly.
 
ecofarm said:
Does it come with a skirt?
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I'm not convinced that ground effects skirts would do much to make a brick such as the Mustang corner any faster.


Just for the record Id never own either a Mustang or a Camaro. I like the Focus ST or the Fiesta ST. The Focus is an American made GTi that doesn't cost you $700 every time Hans and Franz open the hood.
 
KevinKohler said:
But that's who we are.


You're walking down the street, and you see a hot chick go by, that was a girl. Or a guy in a suit pass, with a beard...you think, that's a dude. Content of character don't enter into it.
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You the sort that goes around opening hoods?........:mrgreen:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What passes me by is of little importance, what I take for a ride or buy just might. ;)
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Yes...but the vast majority of cars you see, you aren't going to get in, drive, or buy...and you ID them primarily by appearance.
 
Lisa said:
I'm not convinced that ground effects skirts would do much to make a brick such as the Mustang corner any faster.


Just for the record Id never own either a Mustang or a Camaro. I like the Focus ST or the Fiesta ST. The Focus is an American made GTi that doesn't cost you $700 every time Hans and Franz open the hood.
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And its faster. Focus ST is a hell of a car.
 
KevinKohler said:
Yes...but the vast majority of cars you see, you aren't going to get in, drive, or buy...and you ID them primarily by appearance.
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Yep, and that ID from afar makes no difference to them (or me).
 
PirateMk1 said:
I routinely drive mine on long trips. I used to race SCCA events with a Spitfire, I loved kicking Ferrari and Porsches ass, they could never go near as deep into a turn as I could, They would catch up on a straightway only to have to back out in a turn. I always thought of my Spitfire as a supped up go kart and drove it like that. Passing vehicles at speed is an experience as my car is so light the back wash of air really effects it as I pass. I make it a point to pass quickly as that backwash makes the handling squirrelly.
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What’s the curb weight of your unit? Always seemed to light for serious speeds, imo.
 
KevinKohler said:
Seems off topic, I know...but stick with me, here, it will relate, trust me.

You got Ford fans, and Chevy fans, in the racing community. And of course, all of them, be it a mustang or a camero, or a focus, or even a corvette, or modified. Changed.

Mustang guys have been dropping Chevy 350s into their stands for years, and camaro guys have long enjoyed using ford 9 bolt rear diffs.

So, the question...at what point is a mustang no longer a mustang? If I build a 5.0 notch back, full cage, LS1 (Chevy motor) with a t56 trans, and a Dana 44 rear (from a corvette), is it still a mustang? Why, or why not?
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Not sure what difference it makes.
 
Lisa said:
I'm not convinced that ground effects skirts would do much to make a brick such as the Mustang corner any faster.


Just for the record Id never own either a Mustang or a Camaro. I like the Focus ST or the Fiesta ST. The Focus is an American made GTi that doesn't cost you $700 every time Hans and Franz open the hood.
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I drove a red '69 Camaro in highschool (late '80s).
 
Rexedgar said:
God of Darkness!
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Lucas invented the intermittent wiper.

A friend of my dads had an MG-TF I heard all of the Lucas jokes, usually while he was lying prone under that car trying to track down a short. He always said that you never drive an old British car farther than you are willing to walk home. I've only ever owned German and Japanese cars with one American car.
 
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