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For the UFO/aliens visiting earth skeptics

Oppenheimer was speaking from a philosophical point of view, he did not believe that the ancient Hindus had atomic weapons.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'm not going to comment much on this topic as I would have to look up stuff, find unbiased translations, nothing I could prove.
Now could you prove.
We know the religious and political nuts will try to discredit as much as they can,
and here again, unless we speak the language, we can't argue about it.

I was struck by the coincidences of so much stuff coming up, all over the world, nothing we can prove, but so much
It leaves a taste for questioning the accepted history, which we know is biased toward Judeo/Christian text.
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There were no nuclear explosions in ancient India.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'm not going to comment much on this topic as I would have to look up stuff, find unbiased translations, nothing I could prove.
Now could you prove.
We know the religious and political nuts will try to discredit as much as they can,
and here again, unless we speak the language, we can't argue about it.

I was struck by the coincidences of so much stuff coming up, all over the world, nothing we can prove, but so much
It leaves a taste for questioning the accepted history, which we know is biased toward Judeo/Christian text.
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'Looking up stuff' is generally the approach to learning about a subject.
 
zyzygy said:
'Looking up stuff' is generally the approach to learning about a subject.
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I agree, but I have a full plate now.

I can give examples with other points I was discussing how the media twists the evidence.

We can look at Puma punka and it is very obvious to anyone who has worked with machinery,
that this stuff was not hand made, by banging rocks together.

How ever we have input and excuses from other sources that will explain away logic and proof,
and offer their opinion.
Ironically many will accept this, only because they just don't want to believe the other options.
and they don't know what a drill press is, and just accept that stone age people,
can just drill perfect holes in rock.
All logic goes out the window.

When the subject got into stuff that was spoken of in Hindu writings, I mentioned a little.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Well actually the sons of God found the earth women beautiful and married them.
any one they wanted, and apparently as many.
( Common sense says they raped them.)
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Supposed their offspring were giants, That must have been an issue.
 
WCH said:
Supposed their offspring were giants, That must have been an issue.
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They would need a lot of Gods and earth women to produce a race of people.
It's a religious book, and in many cases info is found there where it appears noplace else,
but we have a problem of when stuff happened, to when it was written down.

All we have is a vague history of the planet. with lots of funny stuf thrown in, and no concrete answers.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
They would need a lot of Gods and earth women to produce a race of people.
It's a religious book, and in many cases info is found there where it appears noplace else,
but we have a problem of when stuff happened, to when it was written down.

All we have is a vague history of the planet. with lots of funny stuf thrown in, and no concrete answers.
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It is not history.
 
zyzygy said:
It is not history.
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Yes and no.

When people developed written languages, the first thing they wrote of was their gods.
Granted, some of the writings were pretty wild.
However within these, in many cases are events and places, that appear nowhere else in recorded history.

Ironically many of the same events are duplicated in other cultures, thousands of miles, and many years separated.
People having no contact with each other.

My biggest interest is the huge monuments left behind, and nobody can figure out how they were built.
The obvious evidence of machinery to build them.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
Yes and no.

When people developed written languages, the first thing they wrote of was their gods.
Granted, some of the writings were pretty wild.
However within these, in many cases are events and places, that appear nowhere else in recorded history.

Ironically many of the same events are duplicated in other cultures, thousands of miles, and many years separated.
People having no contact with each other.

My biggest interest is the huge monuments left behind, and nobody can figure out how they were built.
The obvious evidence of machinery to build them.
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Nobody can figure it out but there is obvious evidence of machines? Piling stones up is not hard to figure out.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Yes and no.

When people developed written languages, the first thing they wrote of was their gods.
Granted, some of the writings were pretty wild.
However within these, in many cases are events and places, that appear nowhere else in recorded history.

Ironically many of the same events are duplicated in other cultures, thousands of miles, and many years separated.
People having no contact with each other.

My biggest interest is the huge monuments left behind, and nobody can figure out how they were built.
The obvious evidence of machinery to build them.
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Not machinery in the modern sense, but technology, likely sonic technology, as yet unknown to man in my opinion.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Not machinery in the modern sense, but technology, likely sonic technology, as yet unknown to man in my opinion.
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This also is yes and no.

Just by the pictures, and probably a lot more, if a person experienced with machinery, walked the sites.

We can see evidence of drills, with press, and hole saws.
Also at the Pyramids is evidence of a milling machine,
and radial type saw.

Now there is no one to say how they did other stuff,
and we can only use our imagination of things we are not yet aware of.
 
zyzygy said:
Nobody can figure it out but there is obvious evidence of machines? Piling stones up is not hard to figure out.
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I'm not speaking of piling them up, though when we get into 500 ton megaliths, moving and piling them is a problem.
I'm speaking of machining them.
And because of the huge amounts at these sites, cutting stone was an easy process.

I remember watching a show on Machu Pichu where some people, duplicated making and moving a stone.
A dozen people and several days work on one stone, and they chipped a new one, that looked like crap, and did not fit.
Nothing compared to the finely cut and polished ones in place already.

Even if we look at the structures at Machu Pichu, and Tiahuanacu, it is easy to tell the differences between the originals,
and the ones built by the Inca.

also at Tiahuanacu, we can see a purpose for what was built, for the most part.
We have no friggin idea WTF they built, and destroyed at Puma Punka.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
This also is yes and no.

Just by the pictures, and probably a lot more, if a person experienced with machinery, walked the sites.

We can see evidence of drills, with press, and hole saws.
Also at the Pyramids is evidence of a milling machine,
and radial type saw.

Now there is no one to say how they did other stuff,
and we can only use our imagination of things we are not yet aware of.
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Links to the evidence, please. You seem to think that simply typing something makes it true. When are you going to back up your claims with evidence?
 
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zyzygy said:
Pictures? I meant evidence of this ancient alien techonology.
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I have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I never said it was Aliens, you did.

These pictures are obvious proof to anyone who understands machinery.

If you really think people built this stuff from banging rocks together, we really cannot argue about it.

And BTW, Your ice friction story Is just plain crazy.
These things bring out all kinds of people with all kinds of theories.

You cannot drill perfect holes, perfect distances apart, the same depth, in granite
Take a better look at those pictures.
Sure, some of the stones are sandstone, and you still can't do what they did,
But I prefer using the igneous rock for argument, it closes all arguments.

Nobody has figured it out yet.


Yes these are real, they are not photoshopped.

You can go there, and see and touch them.

I even know someone who was there.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
I have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I never said it was Aliens, you did.

These pictures are obvious proof to anyone who understands machinery.

If you really think people built this stuff from banging rocks together, we really cannot argue about it.

And BTW, Your ice friction story Is just plain crazy.
These things bring out all kinds of people with all kinds of theories.

You cannot drill perfect holes, perfect distances apart, the same depth, in granite
Take a better look at those pictures.
Sure, some of the stones are sandstone, and you still can't do what they did,
But I prefer using the igneous rock for argument, it closes all arguments.

Nobody has figured it out yet.



Yes these are real, they are not photoshopped.

You can go there, and see and touch them.

I even know someone who was there.
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Oh yes you can.
How to Drill Through Granite: 8 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow
What Do You Need to Drill Holes in Granite? - Triatic, Inc.
 
Well, if Pumapunku is considered such good evidence for the Ancient Astronaut theory, we should probably start by looking at it. After all, it’s the one that they say was built directly by extra-terrestrials.

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AA: “Pumapunku is the only site on planet Earth that, in my opinion, was built directly by extraterrestrials.”

Ancient Aliens starts off with a false dilemma by making people think that it was absolutely impossible for ancient people to construct Pumapunku, even to the point of making outright false claims.

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AA: “One of the most intriguing thing there is it that the stones that were used there weren’t sandstone, they’re granite and diorite. The only stone that is harder than diorite is diamond, so the only way this could have been achieved is if the tools were tipped with diamonds.”

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This is funny because it’s totally wrong, the stones are not granite or diorite at Pumapunku, they are Red Sandstone and Andesite[1][2][3], but this is also funny because of the way he says it.

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AA: “The stones that were used there weren’t sandstone, they’re granite and diorite.”

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Well yeah, actually it is sandstone. You can’t blame him though for it becomes obvious that throughout the series he often just repeats things he has heard in Eric Von Daniken’s books. Von Daniken’s books are what the Ancient Aliens series is based on. Later we see Eric Von Daniken himself make the exact same, totally wrong claim.

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AA: “Of course [Pumapunku was] made out of stones found on Earth, because you don’t transport granite or diorite from another solar system.”

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Von Daniken continues building up this false dilemma:

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AA: “One of these platforms is 800 tons.”

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That is very incorrect, the heaviest block at Pumapunku is 130 tons[4], and most of the stones are much smaller than that. So he is off by a whopping 670 tons! Unfortunately we will come to expect this kind of thing from Von Daniken as we progress.

Ancient Aliens spends quite a lot of time pointing out the various features in the stone masonry at Pumapunku before declaring it impossible to do without power tools.

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AA: “Each of these small drills holes are basically evenly spaced along this routed groove. To me it’s clear that power tools have been used on this unusual block of stone here.”

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AA: “This surface is as smooth as a table top, like in your kitchen. There’s no wave to it. This was machined.”

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The sandstone and andesite stones at Pumapunku would have been easily worked with the most basic stone working tools[5][6], the idea that diamond tipped power saws were needed is ridiculous. The red sandstone was relatively soft and easy to work with, and even though andesite is pretty hard, because of the way it cooled it could be easily flaked off using stones as soft as 5.5 on the Mohs scale.[7] Such pounding stones were found all over andesite quarries in the area.[8]

Puma Punku - Ancien Aliens Debunked
 
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