For the UFO/aliens visiting earth skeptics

[OscarLevant]

How do you know that they are? Do you know how much energy it would take to make a wormhole big enough for a spaceship?

At our technological level? A lot. Aliens who are millions of years ahead of us? Who knows?

Consider the following:

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

 

[OscarLevant]

Thanks for confirming that you have zero proof of anything that can withstand scrutiny.

Just blobs. Millions of cameras, and no proof....

You're not reading my replies, and that is evident given your reply.


Only a moron would conclude that presumptive level proof cannot ever be considered proof.

Proof that presumptive level proof IS proof:

ANSWER THE QUESTION YES OR NO.

If you woke up on the morning, looked out the window, and the landscape were covered with snow:

Cold you 'presume' that it snowed the night before?




Consider the following, which I happen to know you will not read nor engage in any point given because every reply you give assumes that presumptive proof can never be proof.

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Aliens are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

Poor photos of UFOS are still UFOs.

This photo was taken from an airline seat by Dr. Josef Hynek (the astronomer who conducted project Bluebook for the airforce):



Occam's razor just sliced and diced you.

 

[zyzygy]

At our technological level? A lot. Aliens who are millions of years ahead of us? Who knows?

Consider the following:

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

You have to prove that they are true.

 

[zyzygy]

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

How did they find us in this tiny corner of one of the immense number of galaxies in the universe?

 

[zyzygy]

You're not reading my replies, and that is evident given your reply.


Only a moron would conclude that presumptive level proof cannot ever be considered proof.

Proof that presumptive level proof IS proof:

ANSWER THE QUESTION YES OR NO.

If you woke up on the morning, looked out the window, and the landscape were covered with snow:

Cold you 'presume' that it snowed the night before?




Consider the following, which I happen to know you will not read nor engage in any point given because every reply you give assumes that presumptive proof can never be proof.

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Aliens are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

Poor photos of UFOS are still UFOs.

This photo was taken from an airline seat by Dr. Josef Hynek (the astronomer who conducted project Bluebook for the airforce):

View attachment 67283923

Occam's razor just sliced and diced you.

You call that blob proof?

 

[Helix]

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

the orange idiot would have leaked it simply because Obama didn't. i'm somewhat surprised that he didn't just lie about it in order to get attention. either way, space aliens aren't visiting earth in disco ships.

 

[Thoreau72]

That's like saying all cops are bad. Evil exist in every group. Even in space aliens.

I agree with that post, but what does that have to do with faith or the ample evidence for the existence of alien life forms on this planet?

 

[WCH]

I agree with that post, but what does that have to do with faith or the ample evidence for the existence of alien life forms on this planet?

I tried to get back on track.

 

[beefheart]

You're not reading my replies, and that is evident given your reply.


Only a moron would conclude that presumptive level proof cannot ever be considered proof.

Proof that presumptive level proof IS proof:

ANSWER THE QUESTION YES OR NO.

If you woke up on the morning, looked out the window, and the landscape were covered with snow:

Cold you 'presume' that it snowed the night before?




Consider the following, which I happen to know you will not read nor engage in any point given because every reply you give assumes that presumptive proof can never be proof.

What if:

1. Aliens have an agenda, and they are doing it clandestinely deliberately, they have the ability to cloak their machines and themselves.

2. Aliens have the ability to switch off at a close range:
a ) People
b ) all electronics within the field of their tractor beams.

3. All points in space are connected, all one has to do is find the key to the connection.

4. Aliens are a million or millions of years more technologically advanced , and achieved all of the above and below?

5. Most of the testimonies of abductees under hypnosis describe the same or verisimilar events and descriptions of aliens are identical, that hundreds were done before the book "communion" was published, and the abductees were from all walks of life, from all over the world?

6. There are thousands of landing physical trace cases.

7. Many abductees have tiny implants under the skin, in the ear, deep in the nose ( a few deep in the brain), which a lab analysis reveals 'nanotubes' and micron thin lawyers of exotic woven metal?

8. Large groups of people witnessing the same UFOs in the sky at the same location and the descriptions were of a UFO that was as big as a football field.

9. There are witnesses of UFO by high level military personell.

10. Those who tried to blow the whistle were threatened by NSA personel.


If all of the above were true ( and they are true ) then all of your objections are moot.


There are tons of photos of UFOs, and videos, at about the quality one can expect of a camera phone.

Just google it.

Poor photos of UFOS are still UFOs.

This photo was taken from an airline seat by Dr. Josef Hynek (the astronomer who conducted project Bluebook for the airforce):

View attachment 67283923

Occam's razor just sliced and diced you.

You really get too excited by this.

Your pictures suck. UFO pictures suck, because they are either fake or of something else.

Millions of cameras, every day, no good pictures, you can't dodge that fact with big fonts and bold red letters.

Facts are facts, and you have none.

BTW, your photo looks like a hub cap with gasoline on it set on fire.

 

[OscarLevant]

How did they find us in this tiny corner of one of the immense number of galaxies in the universe?

Whose to say they are from outside the Milky Way? Maybe, at their level of technology, traversing this galaxy is everyday stuff.

Many they have some kind of cosmic atomic explosion scanner. It was just after Nagasaki and Hiroshima that the flying saucers started being reported. It didn't happen after the War of the World's radio show scare of the 30s, it happened after the atomic bomb went off. and, many sightings are near nuke silos.


Who knows what atomic explosions do to trans-dimensional dynamics or crap we have yet to imagine.


Maybe they are telepathic, and can sense alien worlds like a dog can smell things?

Even we are able to find exo-planets with considerable ease now.

Just think of what they can do with their advanced technology.

 

[OscarLevant]

You call that blob proof?

'proof' won't come in a photo, so it wasn't offered as such.

It was taken by Professor Josef Hynek, the man behind the Project Bluebook, commissioned by the airforce.

Read the entire comment. Proof will come by a plethora of presumptive evidence.

Aliens have an agenda, and they re operating clandestinely.

the book 'walking among us' examines the testimonies of hundreds of people under hypnosis.

Now, that, in and of itself, isn't proof of anything.


But they were done before the book 'communion' came out ( which described an alien )

and all of their descriptions of aliens are the same.

Each testimony basically described the same routine.

Subject placed on a metal table, clothes removed, nervous system examined, ovum and sperm samples taken, other samples taken.

None of the hundreds of subjects knew each other, and they came from all walks of life.


And then there are cattle mutilations.


1. They are reported all over the world, there are thousands of them, at a loss to ranchers in real $$$
2. All soft tissue is surgically removed as if lazored, eyes, lips, genitals, teats, and others stuff. No signs of torn flesh by teeth, claws, etc.
3. No blood, all blood drained, no blood anywhere, not on the ground, and the carcass has blood completely drained. (there were blood traces, though).
4. No tracks, no footprints, no sign of cattle being dragged.
5. 90% of cattle found this way were in their 4 - 5 years of age.
6. Often, cattle will have broken bones, ribs, as if they were dropped from above.
7. Predatory animals avoid these carcasses, so no vultures, coyotes, etc, they won't even get close


No single thing will prove it for you, you have be curious enough to want to go on a journey to get there.

If you are not curious, you won't bother. If you are, you will. That's the bottom line, here.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would not be curious, it's the story of the century.

 

[WCH]

There could be 36 communicating intelligent civilizations in our galaxy, study says - CNN

 

[zyzygy]

There could be 36 communicating intelligent civilizations in our galaxy, study says - CNN

'Even though this study only looked at our galaxy, distance is an inhibiting factor. The researchers calculated that the average distance between these potential civilizations would equal about 17,000 light-years. Detecting those signals or sending communications using current technology would take so long that it would be nearly impossible.'

'Scientists have calculated that there could be a minimum of 36 active, communicating intelligent civilizations in our Milky Way galaxy, according to a new study. However, due to time and distance, we may never actually know if they exist or ever existed.'

'The search for intelligent life is only expected to yield a positive observation if the average life-span of [communicating extra-terrestrial intelligence] within our Galaxy is 3,060 years. That is to say, our communicating civilization here on Earth will need to persist for 6,120 years beyond the advent of long-range radio technology (approximately 100 years ago) before we can expect a (search for extraterrestrial intelligence) two-way communication.'

 

[OscarLevant]

You really get too excited by this.

Your pictures suck. UFO pictures suck, because they are either fake or of something else.

Millions of cameras, every day, no good pictures, you can't dodge that fact with big fonts and bold red letters.

Facts are facts, and you have none.

BTW, your photo looks like a hub cap with gasoline on it set on fire.

I cannot engage with ignorant people.

There's a lot more to consider, and all you want is a photo

You won't engage in all of the other considerations, that's ignorance.

You've earned my kill file.

Cya

 

[zyzygy]

I cannot engage with ignorant people.

There's a lot more to consider, and all you want is a photo

You won't engage in all of the other considerations, that's ignorance.

You've earned my kill file.

Cya

We cannot engage with a person who loses it when others disagree with them. Pointing out the flaws in your argument is not ignorance. Belief in aliens visiting the Earth is akin to a religion.

 

[beefheart]

I cannot engage with ignorant people.

There's a lot more to consider, and all you want is a photo

You won't engage in all of the other considerations, that's ignorance.

You've earned my kill file.

Cya

I am not being ignorant. You are ignoring that there are no facts, just blurry photos, and a bunch of con artists selling the UFO BS.

You haven't given me one provable thing yet.

You don't like being challenged, because you don't have anything, and you refuse to be skeptical because you want it (flying saucers) to be true rather than study to see if they are true.

Remain ignorant.

 

[zyzygy]

I am not being ignorant. You are ignoring that there are no facts, just blurry photos, and a bunch of con artists selling the UFO BS.

You haven't given me one provable thing yet.

You don't like being challenged, because you don't have anything, and you refuse to be skeptical because you want it (flying saucers) to be true rather than study to see if they are true.

Remain ignorant.

Where did you say that all you wanted was a photo? The UFO fans are happy with blurry photos and tall tales. The rest of us need evidence.

 

[beefheart]

Where did you say that all you wanted was a photo? The UFO fans are happy with blurry photos and tall tales. The rest of us need evidence.

Like I said, there are literally tens of millions of high definition cameras out there all over the planet, and tons of security cameras. Whenever there is a huge fireball, there are dozens of videos that get published. Yet....no flying saucers.

I'm an amateur astronomer, I used to spend a lot of time outside, in the dark, I never saw anything that couldn't be easily explained away, like the planet Venus which can look like it is moving when it is bright and low on the horizon, or satellites. I once saw the Space Shuttle, the Space Station, and a ESA supply craft all in line, and within a degree of each other. They flew across the sky, it was awesome, but I knew what it was. Also, I have seen the gas clouds from many polar launches (just after sunset or before sunrise) from Vandenberg AFB and even one from White Sands. There was a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch a few years ago that put on one hell of a show in Phoenix, the gas cloud was huge, you could see the first stage tumbling and the gas cloud from the second stage as the rocket was moving south.

All I am asking the UFO community is to police themselves, and recognize that in 70 years of reports, we don't have anything concrete. They need to stop coming up with fantastical explanations as to why we don't have any clear pictures or good data.

I absolutely am sure that there is life on other planets, it is just a statistical slam dunk, but I also know that no one can explain how to travel at greater than the speed of light, and the odds of another civilization figuring that out, and traveling all the way to Earth are infinitesimally small.

The OP really needs to approach this subject honestly and rationally rather than being a fanboy who will accept any fantastical story sold to him.

 

[Glitch]

There could be 36 communicating intelligent civilizations in our galaxy, study says - CNN

Consider the source. CNN is notorious for picking dubious sources, like this one. I would be willing to wager that nobody bothered to actually read the so-called "study." It is actually a paper on revising the Drake Equation from 1961. The paper can't even get the year or the name of the program correct. The paper mistakenly says it was written in 1962 and calls the program "CETI."

Most famously Drake (1962) developed an equation which in principle can be used to calculate how many Communicating Extra-Terrestrial Intelligent (CETI: pronounced “chetee”) civilizations there may be in the Galaxy.

It is obviously called the "Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence" (SETI) Program and the Drake Equation, written in 1961, was merely the talking point Dr. Drake used when SETI was first created, not an actual scientific equation. It was never intended to be taken literally, just an example of the information that might be necessary for determining whether or not intelligent life could exist elsewhere.

While Dr. Christopher Conselice is an American Professor of Astrophysics at the University of Nottingham in England, and should know better, Tom Westby (his co-author) is an Associate Professor of Engineering.

All this paper does is make unsupported assumptions and then attempts to draw completely bogus conclusions based upon those unsupported assumptions. The kind of study CNN loves to mis-characterize. You or I could plug in different values based upon different assumptions and get completely different results. The paper demonstrates nothing, other than one individual's (Dr. Conselice) personal opinion.

Source:
The Astrobiological Copernican Weak and Strong Limits for Intelligent Life - The Astrophysical Journal, Volume 896, Number 1, June 2020 (free preprint)

 

[zyzygy]

Consider the source. CNN is notorious for picking dubious sources, like this one. I would be willing to wager that nobody bothered to actually read the so-called "study." It is actually a paper on revising the Drake Equation from 1961. The paper can't even get the year or the name of the program correct. The paper mistakenly says it was written in 1962 and calls the program "CETI."


It is obviously called the "Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence" (SETI) Program and the Drake Equation, written in 1961, was merely the talking point Dr. Drake used when SETI was first created, not an actual scientific equation. It was never intended to be taken literally, just an example of the information that might be necessary for determining whether or not intelligent life could exist elsewhere.

While Dr. Christopher Conselice is an American Professor of Astrophysics at the University of Nottingham in England, and should know better, Tom Westby (his co-author) is an Associate Professor of Engineering.

All this paper does is make unsupported assumptions and then attempts to draw completely bogus conclusions based upon those unsupported assumptions. The kind of study CNN loves to mis-characterize. You or I could plug in different values based upon different assumptions and get completely different results. The paper demonstrates nothing, other than one individual's (Dr. Conselice) personal opinion.

Source:
The Astrobiological Copernican Weak and Strong Limits for Intelligent Life - The Astrophysical Journal, Volume 896, Number 1, June 2020 (free preprint)

The paper makes no mention of aliens visiting the Earth.

 

[WCH]

Consider the source. CNN is notorious for picking dubious sources, like this one. I would be willing to wager that nobody bothered to actually read the so-called "study." It is actually a paper on revising the Drake Equation from 1961. The paper can't even get the year or the name of the program correct. The paper mistakenly says it was written in 1962 and calls the program "CETI."


It is obviously called the "Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence" (SETI) Program and the Drake Equation, written in 1961, was merely the talking point Dr. Drake used when SETI was first created, not an actual scientific equation. It was never intended to be taken literally, just an example of the information that might be necessary for determining whether or not intelligent life could exist elsewhere.

While Dr. Christopher Conselice is an American Professor of Astrophysics at the University of Nottingham in England, and should know better, Tom Westby (his co-author) is an Associate Professor of Engineering.

All this paper does is make unsupported assumptions and then attempts to draw completely bogus conclusions based upon those unsupported assumptions. The kind of study CNN loves to mis-characterize. You or I could plug in different values based upon different assumptions and get completely different results. The paper demonstrates nothing, other than one individual's (Dr. Conselice) personal opinion.

Source:
The Astrobiological Copernican Weak and Strong Limits for Intelligent Life - The Astrophysical Journal, Volume 896, Number 1, June 2020 (free preprint)

Just thought it might add to the conversation.

 

[WCH]

The paper makes no mention of aliens visiting the Earth.

So when Jesus returns to us in a spacecraft [or not], who will be the most surprised?

 

[Glitch]

The paper makes no mention of aliens visiting the Earth.

Of course not. It is one man's opinion of his modified version of the Drake equation. You could change any one of his assumptions in that paper and come up with a completely different value. Maybe CNN will even publish it. It is still nothing more than a personal opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with actual science.

 

[d0gbreath]

As an Adept, I know that extraterrestrials have visited us many times. Most visits were in ancient history. I don't believe in 20th century sightings or area 51.

 

[Glitch]

Just thought it might add to the conversation.

It certainly added to the conversation, but you knew someone was going to eventually read the paper, right?

Just how credible can Dr. Conselice be if he can't even get the name of the program right, calling it "Communicating Extra-Terrestrial Intelligent (CETI) civilizations" or even get the year correct for the equation that he is basing his entire paper upon? If one doesn't understand the history or the purpose of the Drake equation, which Dr. Conselice clearly does not, they shouldn't be mucking with it.

The importance of the Drake Equation is not in the solving, but rather in the contemplation. It was not written for the purpose of quantification at all (obviously Dr. Conselice didn't get the memo), but rather as the agenda for the world's first SETI meeting, in 1961. It was quite useful for its intended application, which was to summarize some of the various factors which scientists must contemplate when considering the question of other life.