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Flynn’s Name Never ‘Masked’ in Call Transcripts Briefed to Obama, Records Indicate

Paradoxical said:
There is really no other explanation for a meeting demanded by Obama with Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, etal and then sending all on their way except Comey so they could talk in private. Two weeks before Trump takes office Then the day before he opens the floodgates to all agencies?
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It seems that Grenell has placed some restrictions on the FBI and rightly so, given their inability or reluctance to clean the stables. Wray should resign.

Acting DNI Ric Grenell Announces the FBI Will No Longer be Giving Intelligence-Based Threat Briefings to Candidates - FBI Frozen Out
 
Atomic Kid said:
This is a wonderful example of why Trump loves the uneducated. And really. Epoch Times? Small wonder your head is so messed up. Those communications were all but certainly collected under FISA Section 702. This section specifically "allows the government to obtain the communications of foreigners outside the United States, including foreign terrorist threats,". 702 does not allow the government to target the communications of any American, even if that American is a terrorist.

702 is a generalized directive from the FISA court that allows for collection from a certain foreign intelligence asset for a certain period of time, which makes it broader than a warrant. If an American is communicating with a valid 702 authorized foreign target, those communications could be incidentally collected. In addition, if federal authorities are already investigating a US person, they may cross-check that person's information against the 702 database. Unmasking occurs when intelligence analysts are looking at intelligence reporting from any number of foreign intelligence collection sources, including Section 702, and they see a US person whose name has been redacted and the standard is met to reveal the name. Note this list of unmasking requests does not include the NSA approval letters that would accompany them.
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Well, Mr. Grenell has released the unmasking requests for Mr. Flynn that were made between election day and inauguration day.
We now know there were no requests on Mr. Flynn from the time he had the conversation with Kisylak and Jan 5 when Yates learned White House knew about it.
So how did the White House find out if not through FISA?
Most likely, the intelligence came from the CIA or a foreign intelligence agency.
Which shows how tightly the government was monitoring the Trump transition and presumably the campaign.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Well, Mr. Grenell has released the unmasking requests for Mr. Flynn that were made between election day and inauguration day.
We now know there were no requests on Mr. Flynn from the time he had the conversation with Kisylak and Jan 5 when Yates learned White House knew about it.
So how did the White House find out if not through FISA?
Most likely, the intelligence came from the CIA or a foreign intelligence agency.
Which shows how tightly the government was monitoring the Trump transition and presumably the campaign.
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Yes, we do know that were unmasking requests made after Jan 5. 4 occurred on Jan 17. The document doesn't make clear at all which requests involved or which didn't involve Flynn. And we have already previously gone through how after a Presidential Daily Briefing about Putin''s reaction to Obama's sanctions, or more accurately, lack thereof, generated a written intelligence assessment request to help better understand why Putin reacted the way he did. The FBI queried their own holdings and came across information indicating that then National Security Advisor designate Michael Flynn held several conversations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak in which sanctions were discussed. So that information came from the FBI. Not the CIA or some other intelligence agency. And they could not have been monitoring the Trump transition all that closely because the FBI were apparently unaware of these calls until the PDB request brought them to their attention.
 
Paradoxical said:
The FBI cannot be trusted anymore.
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Makes sense in Trumpian way since the FBI is the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities on U.S. soil, and the Counterintelligence Division uses its full suite of investigative and intelligence capabilities to combat counterintelligence threats. Trump wouldn't want them getting in the way of a 2020 redux of the cozy relationship they had with the Russians that had been so successful and effective for them in 2016.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Makes sense in Trumpian way since the FBI is the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities on U.S. soil, and the Counterintelligence Division uses its full suite of investigative and intelligence capabilities to combat counterintelligence threats. Trump wouldn't want them getting in the way of a 2020 redux of the cozy relationship they had with the Russians that had been so successful and effective for them in 2016.
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Your evidence if this since it has been thoroughly debunked.
 
Paradoxical said:
The FBI cannot be trusted anymore.
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It seems they need a house cleaning every now and then. Power corrupts, etc. The same holds true for any bureaucracy Can you imagine some of the leftist posters on here having any real power?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
It seems they need a house cleaning every now and then. Power corrupts, etc. The same holds true for any bureaucracy Can you imagine some of the leftist posters on here having any real power?
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The pieces have now fallen into place. Obama spearheaded this. One can just imagine what that secret meeting with him and Comey was all about two weeks before the inauguration.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Makes sense in Trumpian way since the FBI is the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities on U.S. soil, and the Counterintelligence Division uses its full suite of investigative and intelligence capabilities to combat counterintelligence threats. Trump wouldn't want them getting in the way of a 2020 redux of the cozy relationship they had with the Russians that had been so successful and effective for them in 2016.
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If you think the FbI can do no wrong you should learn about J Edgar Hoover and the findings of the Church Committee. Whether you approve of Trump or not he was the choice of the American people, and their choice should be respected, no matter what the FBI, CIA or POTUS feels.
 
sanman said:
Flynn’s Name Never ‘Masked’ in Call Transcripts Briefed to Obama, Records Indicate




Apparently, there is an exception allowed under FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) which lets the President directly order the wiretap transcript through the Attorney General, who has to certify that this order is aimed at monitoring communications between foreign powers only, without substantial likelihood of catching a US citizen. Since this Presidentially-ordered wiretap transcript does not require masking of names of US citizens who get picked up, then the President & Attorney General have to ensure that the name of those US citizens don't get leaked - and any decision toward disclosure requires that Senate Intelligence Committee be notified in advance of this.


So how did they determine that a phone call between Flynn and the Russians was a phone call between 2 foreign powers? Okay, the Russians are a foreign power - but Flynn??
Did Attorney General Loretta Lynch even care??
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Of course they didn't care. They are democrats and they get to break laws when it suits them. Hillary, Benghazi, bathroom servers, missing emails. Selling guns to Mexican Cartels, weaponizing the IRS against conservatives. It's all OK under democrats.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
If you think the FbI can do no wrong you should learn about J Edgar Hoover and the findings of the Church Committee. Whether you approve of Trump or not he was the choice of the American people, and their choice should be respected, no matter what the FBI, CIA or POTUS feels.
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Never said they haven't ever done no wrong. We do know that Trump has done wrong and apparently has intentions of doing wrong again, and why wouldn't he since no one in the GOP Senate has the spine to hold him accountable for his wrongdoings.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Never said they haven't ever done no wrong. We do know that Trump has done wrong and apparently has intentions of doing wrong again, and why wouldn't he since no one in the GOP Senate has the spine to hold him accountable for his wrongdoings.
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Do Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton have another plan?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You've never heard of the FBI's "Insurance Policy", as mentioned by Strzok and Page?? What do you think that was all about?
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No, I've never heard of the 'FBI's Insurance Policy'. Got any documentation about it? I've heard of Strzok and Page's text message. I assume that's what you are referring to. What in your fever dreams was the result of that pair's efforts?
 
mrjurrs said:
No, I've never heard of the 'FBI's Insurance Policy'. Got any documentation about it? I've heard of Strzok and Page's text message. I assume that's what you are referring to. What in your fever dreams was the result of that pair's efforts?
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So you are aware of the "Insurance Policy" as postulated by Strzok and Page and which was known to Andrew McCabe and likely Barack Obama. Why not just say so? Are you trying to claim the former three were not within the upper levels of the FBI?

We can discuss this if you choose but don't feign ignorance or try to be cute. It gets old fast.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
So you are aware of the "Insurance Policy" as postulated by Strzok and Page and which was known to Andrew McCabe and likely Barack Obama. Why not just say so? Are you trying to claim the former three were not within the upper levels of the FBI?

We can discuss this if you choose but don't feign ignorance or try to be cute. It gets old fast.
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You claim FBI insurance policy based on two people that worked for the FBI text messages. Got anything that indicates it was a bureau policy? How about anything that indicates President Obama knew about it? This is the best question though so just answer this one if the others are too difficult.

What did the FBI do to implement the nefarious insurance policy you're all fired up about?
 
mrjurrs said:
You claim FBI insurance policy based on two people that worked for the FBI text messages. Got anything that indicates it was a bureau policy? How about anything that indicates President Obama knew about it? This is the best question though so just answer this one if the others are too difficult.

What did the FBI do to implement the nefarious insurance policy you're all fired up about?
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You feel that a clandestine operation against a Presidential campaign has to be a publicly advertised FBI policy? You don't know about James Comey? Andrew McCabe? Lisa Page also said ""potus wants to know everything we’re doing."
 
mrjurrs said:
You claim FBI insurance policy based on two people that worked for the FBI text messages. Got anything that indicates it was a bureau policy? How about anything that indicates President Obama knew about it? This is the best question though so just answer this one if the others are too difficult.

What did the FBI do to implement the nefarious insurance policy you're all fired up about?
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You're not familiar with what went on. Try another threas.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You feel that a clandestine operation against a Presidential campaign has to be a publicly advertised FBI policy? You don't know about James Comey? Andrew McCabe? Lisa Page also said ""potus wants to know everything we’re doing."
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Still not going to answer my question I see...
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You're not familiar with what went on. Try another threas.
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You can't answer one simple question. What did the FBI do to implement this supposed insurance policy?
 
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