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Five reasons why a single Trump tweet on Mueller stretched the truth

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fi...e-trump-tweet-mueller-stretched-truth-n857831

ASHINGTON — Over the weekend, President Trump made his most direct — and explicit — criticism of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation with this tweet: “The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!”

Yet that one tweet contained at least five inaccuracies or distortions.
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Trump is not acting like an innocent person. He's hiding a bunch of stuff.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fi...e-trump-tweet-mueller-stretched-truth-n857831

ASHINGTON — Over the weekend, President Trump made his most direct — and explicit — criticism of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation with this tweet: “The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!”

Yet that one tweet contained at least five inaccuracies or distortions.
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Trump is not acting like an innocent person. He's hiding a bunch of stuff.

Well, keep in mind, Trump is essentially an emotionally retarded man-child and mobbed up, pathologically dishonest whore.

As such, he can't tweet any other way.
 
Pretty much everything Trump says is a lie. No reason this should be any different. With Trump, it's another day, a fresh load of bull****. Hopefully Mueller will find something that forces congress to act and put him out on his ass / out of our misery.
 
Well, keep in mind, Trump is essentially an emotionally retarded man-child and mobbed up, pathologically dishonest whore.

As such, he can't tweet any other way.



His insanity changes nothing.

His tweet is still believed by a large group of people, most of whom hate and are as bat **** nuts as he is.

What kills me?

You let it go.

Americans know no shame anymore, you have a president insulting your intelligence several times a day, is a one man propaganda machine and all his opponents can do is go "well...he IS nuts...."

Maybe it's because I liver under a far superior system, but any prime minister, **** any MP tried that and they would be out of a job.

Trump tells you lies and life simply goes on as though nothing happened.

What is that phrase "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."
 
His insanity changes nothing.

His tweet is still believed by a large group of people, most of whom hate and are as bat **** nuts as he is.

What kills me?

You let it go.

Americans know no shame anymore, you have a president insulting your intelligence several times a day, is a one man propaganda machine and all his opponents can do is go "well...he IS nuts...."

Maybe it's because I liver under a far superior system, but any prime minister, **** any MP tried that and they would be out of a job.

Trump tells you lies and life simply goes on as though nothing happened.

What is that phrase "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

This American isn't letting it go, and those empowered to investigate him and his likely criminal actions are doing so.

Trump is human filth, and will end up as all such filth does.
 
His insanity changes nothing.

His tweet is still believed by a large group of people, most of whom hate and are as bat **** nuts as he is.

What kills me?

You let it go.

Americans know no shame anymore, you have a president insulting your intelligence several times a day, is a one man propaganda machine and all his opponents can do is go "well...he IS nuts...."

Maybe it's because I liver under a far superior system, but any prime minister, **** any MP tried that and they would be out of a job.

Trump tells you lies and life simply goes on as though nothing happened.

What is that phrase "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

The journalistic integrity of the right is to blame. Maybe if they had stuck to criticizing Obama for, you know, real stuff, of which there was plenty to pick from, rather than invent conspiracy narratives of him being a Kenyan Muslim trying to impose Sharia Law, you would have a population that is sensitive to falsehoods, rather than accustomed to it.

Trump is a right wing propaganda mouthpiece. To people who have listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for the past decade, Trump is right on the money.

To everyone else, he's just another insane conspiracy theorist, hopelessly delusional and beyond repair.

To people of my generation, who have more or less, been apolitical their entire lives, to borrow from Nietzsche, when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back int you, and that frightens my peers of the Millenial and younger generation away from caring.
 
The journalistic integrity of the right is to blame. Maybe if they had stuck to criticizing Obama for, you know, real stuff, of which there was plenty to pick from, rather than invent conspiracy narratives of him being a Kenyan Muslim trying to impose Sharia Law, you would have a population that is sensitive to falsehoods, rather than accustomed to it.

Trump is a right wing propaganda mouthpiece. To people who have listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for the past decade, Trump is right on the money.

To everyone else, he's just another insane conspiracy theorist, hopelessly delusional and beyond repair.

To people of my generation, who have more or less, been apolitical their entire lives, to borrow from Nietzsche, when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back int you, and that frightens my peers of the Millenial and younger generation away from caring.


I had not considered the deep psychology.

I thought it was generational laziness.

Whatever it is corruption, I am not as well read as you and cannot think of a masterful quote that will fit, but there has to be one about how letting one spot of rust take hold isn't a concern....until it's a really big spot of rust.

The beginning of the peak of my career was Watergate. What I saw in my world was a wake up call for Canadians, we tend to live in bliss as long as there enough caribou, and that showed us we have to hold them to account, and we do.

Where I see things went wrong, Watergate didn't 'fix' anything. It merely changed the way the same **** gets done....and we hid behind that while each successive generation was more dishonest, more underhanded and all politicians became more virulent in their attacks on each other.

The line was crossed when Bill Clinton escaped certain removal from office for obstruction of justice, instead the nation saw a blow job and went on chowing down on fast food media.

That's my take. Trump knows that with so many lies no one notices anymore.

Once again though, I am grateful for not having moved back.

I met a guy who listened to Limbaugh. **** he was stupid!
 
His insanity changes nothing.

His tweet is still believed by a large group of people, most of whom hate and are as bat **** nuts as he is.

What kills me?

You let it go.

Americans know no shame anymore, you have a president insulting your intelligence several times a day, is a one man propaganda machine and all his opponents can do is go "well...he IS nuts...."

Maybe it's because I liver under a far superior system, but any prime minister, **** any MP tried that and they would be out of a job.

Trump tells you lies and life simply goes on as though nothing happened.

What is that phrase "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

Well said! Your points are a big part of why I've said many times to my family - long before Trump even began running - that we should move to Australia. Oz has its problems, but it's warm (sometimes too warm) and much safer and saner than America has become.
 
I had not considered the deep psychology.

I thought it was generational laziness.

Whatever it is corruption, I am not as well read as you and cannot think of a masterful quote that will fit, but there has to be one about how letting one spot of rust take hold isn't a concern....until it's a really big spot of rust.

The beginning of the peak of my career was Watergate. What I saw in my world was a wake up call for Canadians, we tend to live in bliss as long as there enough caribou, and that showed us we have to hold them to account, and we do.

Where I see things went wrong, Watergate didn't 'fix' anything. It merely changed the way the same **** gets done....and we hid behind that while each successive generation was more dishonest, more underhanded and all politicians became more virulent in their attacks on each other.

The line was crossed when Bill Clinton escaped certain removal from office for obstruction of justice, instead the nation saw a blow job and went on chowing down on fast food media.

That's my take. Trump knows that with so many lies no one notices anymore.

Once again though, I am grateful for not having moved back.

I met a guy who listened to Limbaugh. **** he was stupid!

You mentioned Limbaugh - it was the reaction of the Right, exemplified and even led by Limbaugh, to Iran-Contra that really caused me to begin questioning my then-lifelong allegiance to the GOP. I strongly remember how Limbaugh and the other pundits were laughing - laughing - at North essentially getting away with almost everything. I realized that to them, it was never a matter of right or wrong, but of winning. That is a big part of why I left the GOP and have never turned back.
 
I had not considered the deep psychology.

I thought it was generational laziness.

Whatever it is corruption, I am not as well read as you and cannot think of a masterful quote that will fit, but there has to be one about how letting one spot of rust take hold isn't a concern....until it's a really big spot of rust.

The beginning of the peak of my career was Watergate. What I saw in my world was a wake up call for Canadians, we tend to live in bliss as long as there enough caribou, and that showed us we have to hold them to account, and we do.

Where I see things went wrong, Watergate didn't 'fix' anything. It merely changed the way the same **** gets done....and we hid behind that while each successive generation was more dishonest, more underhanded and all politicians became more virulent in their attacks on each other.

The line was crossed when Bill Clinton escaped certain removal from office for obstruction of justice, instead the nation saw a blow job and went on chowing down on fast food media.

That's my take. Trump knows that with so many lies no one notices anymore.

Once again though, I am grateful for not having moved back.

I met a guy who listened to Limbaugh. **** he was stupid!

It's generational apathy too. There isn't one reason. I think A. we are still a privileged nation. As an example, when people go to the grocery store, there is bread for sale. So, whatever wrong is done by bad policy, is a faraway concept to most people, since they can work and live in reasonable contentment. People are sedated. I asked a whole group of my peers last week, if they were going to vote in the midterms. And none of them said they were going to. I probed a little deeper, and said, okay, well you must like and agree with our Representative then? And none of them knew who he was. After I told them he's a Republican who supports just boiler-plate Republican stuff, pro-gun, pro-life, low taxes, etc. They took more interest. For example some of the young ladies did not like being represented by someone who was pro-life.

So, there is interest, after you've broken through the shell of normal life.
 
The journalistic integrity of the right is to blame. Maybe if they had stuck to criticizing Obama for, you know, real stuff, of which there was plenty to pick from, rather than invent conspiracy narratives of him being a Kenyan Muslim trying to impose Sharia Law, you would have a population that is sensitive to falsehoods, rather than accustomed to it.

Trump is a right wing propaganda mouthpiece. To people who have listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for the past decade, Trump is right on the money.

To everyone else, he's just another insane conspiracy theorist, hopelessly delusional and beyond repair.

To people of my generation, who have more or less, been apolitical their entire lives, to borrow from Nietzsche, when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back int you, and that frightens my peers of the Millenial and younger generation away from caring.

No, it's a lot bigger than the "journalistic integrity of the right". That's a symptom, but it is not the cause. There are IMO two main causes:

(1) The public opposition by 1964 GOP candidate Barry Goldwater to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Nixon's "Southern Strategy"...which were both indicators of the GOP's willingness to enable (if not embrace) racism...and were the beginning of the Right's long descent into their current acceptance of "white nationalism". Note that even though the Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without Republican liberals in Congress (as opposed to the conservative Southern Democrats who virulently opposed it) Goldwater claimed that his opposition to the Civil Rights Act was based solely upon his personal libertarian leanings, and there are indications that he was being honest when he said that...but his opposition was probably a big part of what allowed the Southern racists to take Nixon's "Southern Strategy" (in which he deliberately courted Southern racists in order to win the South's electoral votes) seriously.

(2) The rise of the Religious Right. Barry Goldwater - the same as in (1) above - said: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” And he was absolutely right.

Those two factors are the main reason why today's GOP is growing a WASPier, whiter shade of pale with every passing year...and why so much of modern "evangelicals" are willing to ignore the words and commands of Christ in order to use their religious unity to support the racist-in-chief.
 
His insanity changes nothing.

His tweet is still believed by a large group of people, most of whom hate and are as bat **** nuts as he is.

What kills me?

You let it go.

Americans know no shame anymore, you have a president insulting your intelligence several times a day, is a one man propaganda machine and all his opponents can do is go "well...he IS nuts...."

Maybe it's because I liver under a far superior system, but any prime minister, **** any MP tried that and they would be out of a job.

Trump tells you lies and life simply goes on as though nothing happened.

What is that phrase "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

Things got worse when the majority of rw bible trumpers said that Trump sleeping w/a pornstar was A-OK, he was forgiven by god, and it's fine that he paid (likely campaign $$$) to shut her up.
 
To people of my generation, who have more or less, been apolitical their entire lives, to borrow from Nietzsche, when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back int you, and that frightens my peers of the Millenial and younger generation away from caring.

Most of us don't care about fake tweets, we hold tweets to a different standard when we really shouldn't. 20 years ago, Trump would have gone onto any one of the major networks and done the same thing, and he technically did that w/tabloids. Anyone who has followed his career knows this. What's worse is the fake news. I think the kids standing up to the gun nuts now absolutely have it right, and they are sick of this stuff. I'm not sure how they feel about growing up with screens, but I see a huge backlash coming. People are going to regret the nonsense they spread, I know I did when I figured out I was a CT and that CTs lead generally nowhere. So there's no use freaking out about them. Hence, part of the reason why we don't care about CTs. Though in some cases most can't even identify one.
 
It's generational apathy too. There isn't one reason. I think A. we are still a privileged nation. As an example, when people go to the grocery store, there is bread for sale. So, whatever wrong is done by bad policy, is a faraway concept to most people, since they can work and live in reasonable contentment. People are sedated. I asked a whole group of my peers last week, if they were going to vote in the midterms. And none of them said they were going to. I probed a little deeper, and said, okay, well you must like and agree with our Representative then? And none of them knew who he was. After I told them he's a Republican who supports just boiler-plate Republican stuff, pro-gun, pro-life, low taxes, etc. They took more interest. For example some of the young ladies did not like being represented by someone who was pro-life.

So, there is interest, after you've broken through the shell of normal life.



You just started a political party. At least a faction if not a bloc.

Notice how they sat up when realizing they ARE affected by what goes on. I wonder if the women who were squeamish about being represented by a pro-lifer, how comfortable would they be to see Trump's attitudes on women displayed for them. MY bet is they WOULD vote in the mid terms.

I don't know who said this, "it is astonishing what can be accomplished with a handful of dedicated people."

Quick story. After retiring from journalism a gay friend called and asked if I would be interested in helping a friend decide to run for public office. It was late 90's and "gay" still had it's edges.

We met, I was deeply impressed and so we went shopping for a riding to run in. The one I suggested was immediately rejected, being "working class" might not want to vote for a gay man.

That is until I saw the turn out. Below 45%. I suggested he go. They wondered why?

Because 65% of the people don't bother. It is easier to motivate someone to do something than it is to change their mind, we went after that sedentary vote and we got it. But the party in power got 39 more than we did. It was 11 on the first count.

Since coming to the American boards I have continued to butt heads with the idea nothing can be done, because you see, the turn out in America is horrible and it isn't because those people are satisfied, like your friends they didn't know anything and didn't realize they CAN make a difference and/or they are fed up.

But, loo down south, a handful of black women without $100 to their name took on a lifetime Republican 'Good Ole Boy' in ALA-****ing-BAMA...and whipped his ass first time out. Not one lick of experience (**** they did EVERYTHING wrong but win) and no budget....against a 200 year old machine whose members have worn white hoods.

That's politics, and its one of the few aspects of the US system that is still viable. You formed at least a bloc, who can agree on what you need to agree on, and then act as a block either to get your candidate in, or run yourselves. I know this about the American system (some of my friends in Watcom County are involved) and that is the "establishment" (and Trump is establishment) has no idea how to cope with third party anything. They're used to garnering a platform then selling it to voters. They act badly when a bloc seizes control and says "wait one second there"...

Hell, it's so ripe I'd love to come down there and write for a third party right now. Done right, and that means starting small, you will have the establishment pissing in their own pockets by 2020, Trump's "Rallies" will look a lot different....

With that may eligible votes around and good operative would be salivating
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fi...e-trump-tweet-mueller-stretched-truth-n857831

ASHINGTON — Over the weekend, President Trump made his most direct — and explicit — criticism of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation with this tweet: “The Mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. It was based on fraudulent activities and a Fake Dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, and improperly used in FISA COURT for surveillance of my campaign. WITCH HUNT!”

Yet that one tweet contained at least five inaccuracies or distortions.
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Trump is not acting like an innocent person. He's hiding a bunch of stuff.

Faux "News" says it and Trump tweets it.
 
Things got worse when the majority of rw bible trumpers said that Trump sleeping w/a pornstar was A-OK, he was forgiven by god, and it's fine that he paid (likely campaign $$$) to shut her up.



As a humble follower of a cabinet maker cum preacher from 2000 years ago, I have had cause to smirk at times at the sudden twist of events. It is not right for two men to commit adultery because its two men, but a man and woman it's OK because he's.............whatever.

They have to live with themselves and ultimately have to have a conversation about that with the Cabinet Maker/Carpenter.
 
It's generational apathy too. There isn't one reason. I think A. we are still a privileged nation. As an example, when people go to the grocery store, there is bread for sale. So, whatever wrong is done by bad policy, is a faraway concept to most people, since they can work and live in reasonable contentment. People are sedated. I asked a whole group of my peers last week, if they were going to vote in the midterms. And none of them said they were going to. I probed a little deeper, and said, okay, well you must like and agree with our Representative then? And none of them knew who he was. After I told them he's a Republican who supports just boiler-plate Republican stuff, pro-gun, pro-life, low taxes, etc. They took more interest. For example some of the young ladies did not like being represented by someone who was pro-life.

So, there is interest, after you've broken through the shell of normal life.

#1 reason why my dad likes Trump over Obama. Obamacare policy personally affected his business.
 
As a humble follower of a cabinet maker cum preacher from 2000 years ago, I have had cause to smirk at times at the sudden twist of events. It is not right for two men to commit adultery because its two men, but a man and woman it's OK because he's.............whatever.

They have to live with themselves and ultimately have to have a conversation about that with the Cabinet Maker/Carpenter.

I heard analysis the other day from one of the talking heads, and they said something to the point of: They like Trump because Trump acts like they would act if they had money.
 
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