• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Firing Virginia teacher who misgendered student was the right call

AProudLefty said:
So compelled speech is justified in that case.
Click to expand...

Not at all. I never said that.

I said only if you want to be understood. Proper names help in understanding. However, if say I was taking the place of a dead pilot trying to land a plane, and I described the "thingy" they were asking about..are they going to chastise me for not knowing the correct terminology, or are they going to try to understand like I am trying when they describe something they want me to do?

In the OP's article, the student had a Male "preferred" name. Using that name, the teacher made sure that the child in question understood he was referring to that particular child.

How does that child NOT understand he is being spoken to or about?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Not at all. I never said that.

I said only if you want to be understood.

In the OP's article, the student had a Male "preferred" name. Using that name, the teacher made sure that the child in question understood he was referring to that particular child.

How does that child NOT understand he is being spoken to or about?
Click to expand...

This isn't about the preferred name. This is about using a preferred pronoun to refer fo him.
 
Deuce said:
Ok great.

Compelling a teacher to treat a student respectfully is not wrong.
Click to expand...
]
Nope.. if that's what was happening.

However, there seems to be question as to whether this teacher was actually and purposely treating the student disrespectfully.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) already done and it destroyed your conspiracy theories, deflections ands strawmen at ever turn


thanks for proving me right again! Wow so awesome and so easy!
Click to expand...

You are a legend in your own mind.

Anytime you want to bring anything even moderately useful to the discussion.. please feel free to do so. Otherwise let the adults in the room have a conversation.
 
AProudLefty said:
To step off the discussion for a bit, this lady is an example of how people would be confused. She is 100% female and identifies as female. I wonder how often she hears people call her sir or mister.

View attachment 67265850
Click to expand...

Should a clerk lose his job immediately because he calls her sir?

IF not.. whats the magical number of times he has to get it wrong.. before he should be terminated.?
 
jaeger19 said:
Should a clerk lose his job immediately because he calls her sir?

IF not.. whats the magical number of times he has to get it wrong.. before he should be terminated.?
Click to expand...

Was it a slip or a deliberate act.

If the latter the "magical" number is once.
 
AProudLefty said:
To step off the discussion for a bit, this lady is an example of how people would be confused. She is 100% female and identifies as female. I wonder how often she hears people call her sir or mister.

View attachment 67265850
Click to expand...
**** happens - he/she just needs to put on his big girl/boy pants and get over it. Nobody needs to lose their jobs for calling him/her "sir".
 
jaeger19 said:
You are a legend in your own mind.

Anytime you want to bring anything even moderately useful to the discussion.. please feel free to do so. Otherwise let the adults in the room have a conversation.
Click to expand...

Hey look ANOTHER post but not one fact that supports you claim just a failed personal attack and more deflections, AWESOME!
So funny when people get angry over facts and their posts failing.

When you can support your false claims and stramen please let us know, thanks!
 
jaeger19 said:
Should a clerk lose his job immediately because he calls her sir?
Click to expand...
No.

IF not.. whats the magical number of times he has to get it wrong.. before he should be terminated.?
Click to expand...
Unless he has Alheizmer or memory problems, the magic number would be how many times he needs to be reminded that she's a she and he still refuse to do it.
 
Bullseye said:
**** happens - he/she just needs to put on his big girl/boy pants and get over it. Nobody needs to lose their jobs for calling him/her "sir".
Click to expand...

Clean up your mess from your explosive diarrhea. I never implied any of that.
 
jaeger19 said:
Should a clerk lose his job immediately because he calls her sir?

IF not.. whats the magical number of times he has to get it wrong.. before he should be terminated.?
Click to expand...

another anology . . wow
 
AProudLefty said:
No.


Unless he has Alheizmer or memory problems, the magic number would be how many times he needs to be reminded that she's a she and he still refuse to do it.
Click to expand...

Whats that magic number?

Its been years.. and I still slip when it comes to my employee. I knew him as mike.. he still basically looks like mike in drag. I call him by his preferred name.. and I still catch myself occasionally referring to him in the male gender.. In fact as I typed it.. I realized that I just did it automatically.

Before anyone goes nuts about calling me a "hater"... I would point out that I have had to go to extraordinary lengths to protect my employee at a cost to my business. Because I feel its the right thing to do.
 
jaeger19 said:
Whats that magic number?

Its been years.. and I still slip when it comes to my employee. I knew him as mike.. he still basically looks like mike in drag. I call him by his preferred name.. and I still catch myself occasionally referring to him in the male gender.. In fact as I typed it.. I realized that I just did it automatically.

Before anyone goes nuts about calling me a "hater"... I would point out that I have had to go to extraordinary lengths to protect my employee at a cost to my business. Because I feel its the right thing to do.
Click to expand...

He's a transvestite.
 
Obscurity said:
Sorry, you do not get to use your public position to enforce a religious belief.

Decided when we wrote the constitution.

You fail, cons.
Click to expand...

-religious beliefs +scientific fact
 
Irredentist said:
Singling a student out by refusing to use any pronouns is discrimination. If he doesn't avoid pronouns for every other student then he is treating trans students differently and that is discrimination.
Click to expand...

Biology is super tough, eh?
 
Stealers Wheel said:
I have never faced the challenges of being a minority, female, gay, or transgender. In other words, I'm a straight white male. However, I empathize with those who do face those challenges in part because of one insignificant episode while I was in grade school.

My given name is "Barney" and I preferred to be called by my middle name "David." (names have been changed to protect the innocent here).

There was one teacher, an old man, who refused to call me David. I asked him nicely to address me as David and his response was "Your registration card says 'Barney' so 'Barney' it is!"

I'm embarrassed to admit just how much that affected my relationship with that teacher. My grades suffered as a result, as did my ability to learn from that teacher. Something as simple as how I wanted to be identified and a belligerent teacher who refused to take my preference seriously had an impact. Well, that was about 50 years ago, but I still remember it like it was yesterday.

Virginia is being sued because a belligerent teacher refuses to comply with the law that requires teachers to address students by their preferred pronouns. I can relate.


Firing Virginia teacher who misgendered student was the right call (opinion) - CNN
Click to expand...

So...we're just going to ignore establish biological facts now? We have to speak untruths or be fired?
 
Looking forward to the teacher's legal victory.

:)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom