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Finally, A Win For The GOP!

I am confused now... I don't get the armored car analogy.

ISP is a road.
Sites are stores
You are driving in a vehicle where you have some privacy.

Would you want a shop you drove by to literally climb into your car, and copy your phone logs, contact list, and record your location history, then sell it to third parties?
Well now the road itself gets all that information from you without asking...you don't even need to visit a shop.
 
I am confused now... I don't get the armored car analogy.

The ISP is entrusted to transport something valuable for me. I pay them for this service. I don't pay them to steal from me without my knowledge or consent.
 
ISP is a road.
Sites are stores
You are driving in a vehicle where you have some privacy.

Would you want a shop you drove by to literally climb into your car, and copy your phone logs, contact list, and record your location history, then sell it to third parties?
Well now the road itself gets all that information from you without asking...you don't even need to visit a shop.

I have to say this is one of the neatest analogies I've ever seen used when discussing this topic. Well done.
 
How ironic is it that the same people who are adamantly opposed to releasing Trump's Tax Returns have voted to give everyone access to everyone else's Internet browsing histories?

It appears that personal privacy exists only for the one person who seems to have a lot to hide, and whose financial history affects all of us.

Every day, living in our democracy gets crazier and crazier.

Just Damn!
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ISP is a road.
Sites are stores
You are driving in a vehicle where you have some privacy.

Would you want a shop you drove by to literally climb into your car, and copy your phone logs, contact list, and record your location history, then sell it to third parties?
Well now the road itself gets all that information from you without asking...you don't even need to visit a shop.

Okay, I see the analogy, but it isn't quite apropos. When on the Internet, your vehicle would be more like a motorcycle, not a armored car. Unless you take specific actions to encrypt yourself, you are completely exposed. Using the Internet is closer to walking on a sidewalk, rather than using a road. There can be no expectancy that you can leave one door, walk down the street and enter another door without being seen. Even a shop that you did not stop at can see you go by. The difference between the sidewalk and the Internet in this case is that all your movements on the Internet are logged.
 
The ISP is entrusted to transport something valuable for me. I pay them for this service. I don't pay them to steal from me without my knowledge or consent.

Not exactly. When you agreed to the terms and conditions while signing up for your ISP, you gave them permission. They spell out exactly what they are collecting, who they will be sharing it with, who they must turn it over to (ie the Government).

It is not stealing if you gave permission.
 
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Happy Dayzzz are hear again ... the sky's above are dark again! Happy Dayzzz are hear again!

As I said in the other 10 threads on this, this is a good thing. The FTC already regulates privacy of data. There is no need for the FCC to do the same thing.

The Federal Trade Commission has been the chief Federal
agency on privacy policy and enforcement since the 1970s when
it began enforcing one of the first Federal privacy laws--the
Fair Credit Reporting Act. Since then, rapid changes in
technology have raised new privacy challenges, but the
Federal Trade Commission's overall approach has been
consistent. The agency uses law enforcement, policy
initiatives, and consumer and business education to protect
consumers' personal information and ensure that they have the
confidence to take advantage of the many benefits of an ever-
changing marketplace.

FTC website
 
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As I said in the other 10 threads on this, this is a good thing. The FTC already regulates privacy of data. There is no need for the FCC to do the same thing.



FTC website

... and like I said .... How Ironic is it that the same people who are Adamantly Opposed to releasing Trump's Tax Returns have voted to give everyone access to everyone else's Internet browsing histories? It appears that personal privacy exists only for the one person who seems to have a lot to hide, and whose financial history affects all of us. Every day, living in our democracy gets crazier and crazier.
 
Yep. It's been my policy not to put anything on the internet I'm not willing to yell out in a crowded room.

One day I will meet you in Phoenix. And when we go to a Rosey McCaffrey's for a beer I wanna hear you scream randomly into the air:

Now you know why you have the reputation you have here.
 
Corporations no way. If I want to give them my data, they can pay me for it like any other buy/sell transaction.
Government not without some sort of probably cause.
There should also be a sunset on all personal data. It's purged after x years whether they like it or not, and it cannot be used, etc.

Computers/mobile are way, way too personal of a device/interaction right now. If I go to the bank, I get dressed, I'm in public, it's not hard to protect privacy in that way. Security camersa record, but traditionally this was looked at only if there was a criminal incident, and it would be protected. That's about it.

Now? Everything open...your contacts list, everyone you email, call, talk to, all the secondary info in contacts, your call history, when you call people, the sites you visit, the sites you post on, etc., etc. Madness.

We have no ability to use the internet, without basically defact giving our data for free to corporations and government.
We have *almost* no ability to utilize popular sites and social media, without giving up our private data, a phenomenon that is only possible because there are no good rules against it.

The porn industry is about to take a hit. Once someone's browsing history is purchased from their ISP and is used against them in a very public way.
 
Okay, I see the analogy, but it isn't quite apropos. When on the Internet, your vehicle would be more like a motorcycle, not a armored car. Unless you take specific actions to encrypt yourself, you are completely exposed. Using the Internet is closer to walking on a sidewalk, rather than using a road. There can be no expectancy that you can leave one door, walk down the street and enter another door without being seen. Even a shop that you did not stop at can see you go by. The difference between the sidewalk and the Internet in this case is that all your movements on the Internet are logged.

It is though.
Remember we're comparing it to pre-internet.
curernt internet, vs pre-digital age.

In the past, you were in what amounted to, per Absentglare, an armored car.
if you called someone from you phone, you were protected by federal law from having someone get that information.
Your home, where you stored your address book , etc., could only be gotten through B&E, another crime.
And no one had a gps device tracking them, and most stores were brick and mortar.

This was equivalent to the armored car, you had federal law and physical obstacles to protect your data.

Fast forward to today, you have nothing to protect your data, AND most of your data due to modern retail, communication, work, etc., is primarily if not only accessible through digital.
Where you are stark naked, giving 100% of your data over to basically everyone.

Yes, it's appropriate.
 
The porn industry is about to take a hit. Once someone's browsing history is purchased from their ISP and is used against them in a very public way.
Maybe, but I think the people who could make use of this may do so via blackmail. Important/wealthy people will be approached with someone who claims they will leak it publicly (Anonymously), else they need to cooperate/pay up, hire someone, fire someone, look the other way, not run for office, etc. I am surprised though that this shoe hasn't dropped in general. I mean, it seems like every other day not only is our data being taken legally, someone is hacking Yahoo or some other large aggregator of our information. It's madness.
 
Maybe, but I think the people who could make use of this may do so via blackmail. Important/wealthy people will be approached with someone who claims they will leak it publicly (Anonymously), else they need to cooperate/pay up, hire someone, fire someone, look the other way, not run for office, etc. I am surprised though that this shoe hasn't dropped in general. I mean, it seems like every other day not only is our data being taken legally, someone is hacking Yahoo or some other large aggregator of our information. It's madness.

I could see that. It's time to see Joel Olsteen's browsing history. Let's line up the moral majorities' and see what they've been doing... being that this is what they voted for.
 
Maybe, but I think the people who could make use of this may do so via blackmail. Important/wealthy people will be approached with someone who claims they will leak it publicly (Anonymously), else they need to cooperate/pay up, hire someone, fire someone, look the other way, not run for office, etc. I am surprised though that this shoe hasn't dropped in general. I mean, it seems like every other day not only is our data being taken legally, someone is hacking Yahoo or some other large aggregator of our information. It's madness.
Everything about cellular and data network use is madness. If people knew how much of their privacy and freedom they were signing away just by signing up for a ISP or cell phone plan....they would do it anyway. Which is nuts. Commercial entities have access to your every move. If it doesnt weird you out a little that you can do a google search for Dutch Oven Cooking and then log into Facebook and have ads for Dutch Ovens already on your feed...you arent paying attention to what is going on. I dont know if this new legislation makes things all that much worse...but its all bad. I would see congress go the opposite direction and guarantee peoples rights to privacy on the internet unless they choose to. It would be pretty simple to do. Much harder to enforce. And maybe thats the problem. We see it...we know it. We dont like it. But we just throw our hands up in the air and say "**** it".
 
Personal privacy is fast becoming a thing of the past....consumers constantly bombarded with ads whether we want them or not....What's or should I ask who is next?....medical providers, insurance agencies, doctors, hospitals will get the right to sell your info? It's not enough that TV is flooded with big pharma commercials....maybe big pharma will need lobby for the right to start sending out mailers and emails based on your insurance claims, age, gender, diagnosis, preventive care, etc.
 
... and like I said .... How Ironic is it that the same people who are Adamantly Opposed to releasing Trump's Tax Returns have voted to give everyone access to everyone else's Internet browsing histories? It appears that personal privacy exists only for the one person who seems to have a lot to hide, and whose financial history affects all of us. Every day, living in our democracy gets crazier and crazier.

No one voted to give everyone access to everyone else's Internet browsing histories.
 
I could see that. It's time to see Joel Olsteen's browsing history. Let's line up the moral majorities' and see what they've been doing... being that this is what they voted for.

No, that is not what they voted for. The FTC still regulates privacy of data. They voted to remove the duplicative efforts of the FCC. Rules regarding how companies use your data still exist.
 
One day I will meet you in Phoenix. And when we go to a Rosey McCaffrey's for a beer I wanna hear you scream randomly into the air:

Love Rosie McCaffrey's. My mechanic is walking distance from there.
 
Ummm...what's the problem here? Google and others already datamine and sell the **** out of your information as it is. This changes nothing insofar as any actual internet privacy.

If it changes nothing then why did they need to pass a bill?
 
Everything about cellular and data network use is madness. If people knew how much of their privacy and freedom they were signing away just by signing up for a ISP or cell phone plan....they would do it anyway. Which is nuts. Commercial entities have access to your every move. If it doesnt weird you out a little that you can do a google search for Dutch Oven Cooking and then log into Facebook and have ads for Dutch Ovens already on your feed...you arent paying attention to what is going on. I dont know if this new legislation makes things all that much worse...but its all bad. I would see congress go the opposite direction and guarantee peoples rights to privacy on the internet unless they choose to. It would be pretty simple to do. Much harder to enforce. And maybe thats the problem. We see it...we know it. We dont like it. But we just throw our hands up in the air and say "**** it".

Advertising is how companies are able to offer products at such low prices. Its why facebook is free. Think of the value you get out of it without paying them a single dime.
 
THe reason for throwing out the convoluted privacy rules, was so they could be replaced with technology neutral rules.. For example, the rule should say personal information cannot be collected and sold without permission period.

You cannot honestly think Congress is going to do this...
 
If anyone cares about context, read this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/settling-a-bureaucratic-turf-war-in-online-privacy-rules-1488413165


For two decades, the Federal Trade Commission has been
America's sole online privacy regulator. Under the FTC's
watch, our internet and data economy has been the envy of the
world. The agency's evidence-based approach calibrates
privacy and data-security requirements to the sensitivity of
information collected, used or shared online, and applies
protections in a consistent and evenhanded way across
business sectors. Consumer behavior demonstrates the success
of the FTC's regulatory approach: Each day people spend more
time engaging in online activities.
But in 2015, in a bid to expand its own power, the Federal
Communications Commission short-circuited the effectiveness
of the FTC's approach by reclassifying internet service
providers as common carriers, subject to Title II of the
Communications Act.
In taking that unprecedented action, the FCC unilaterally
stripped the FTC of its traditional jurisdiction over ISPs.
The FTC can no longer police the privacy practices of
providers, leaving us with a two-track system under which the
FCC applies its own set of rules for ISPs while the FTC
monitors the rest of the internet ecosystem.
Even after the 2015 power grab, the FCC could have simply
adopted as its own the FTC's successful sensitivity-based
model of privacy regulation. Instead--after last year's
election--the FCC finalized privacy regulations that deviate
extensively from the FTC framework in several key respects.
The FCC rules subject all web browsing and app usage data
to the same restrictive requirements as sensitive personal
information. That means that information generated from
looking up the latest Cardinals score or checking the weather
in Scottsdale is treated the same as personal health and
financial data.
The new rules also restrict an ISP's ability to inform
customers about innovative and cost-saving product offerings.
So much for consumer choice.
The FCC's overreach is a dangerous deviation from
successful regulation and common-sense industry practices.
But don't just take my word for it. The FTC concluded that
the FCC's decision to treat ISPs differently from the rest of
the internet ecosystem was ``not optimal--agency-speak for
``a really bad idea.''
Outside of the FTC's well-founded concerns, the new rules
are also a departure from bipartisan agreement on the need
for consistent online privacy rules. President Obama noted in
2012 that ``companies should present choices about data
sharing, collection, use, and disclosure that are appropriate
for the scale, scope, and sensitivity of personal data in
question at the time of collection.'' In other words, privacy
rules should be based on the data itself.
But that's not how the FCC sees it. The commission's rules
suffocate industry and harm consumers by creating two
completely different sets of requirements for different parts
of the internet.
To protect consumers from these harmful new regulations, I
will soon introduce a resolution under the Congressional
Review Act to repeal the FCC's flawed privacy rules. While
the resolution would eliminate those rules, it would not
change the current statutory classification of broadband
service or bring ISPs back under FTC jurisdiction. Instead,
the resolution would scrap the FCC's newly imposed privacy
rules in the hope that it would follow the FTC's successful
sensitivity-based framework.
This CRA resolution does nothing to change the privacy
protections consumers currently enjoy. I hope Congress and
the FCC will continue working together to address issues of
concern down the road. However, it is imperative for rule-
making entities to stay in their jurisdictional lanes. We
need to reject these harmful midnight privacy regulations
that serve only to empower bureaucrats and hurt consumers.
 
Advertising is how companies are able to offer products at such low prices. Its why facebook is free. Think of the value you get out of it without paying them a single dime.
Advertising is one thing. Specifically being able to tailor my feed based on internet searches does two things...1-it shows it is already appending which makes 2-the uproar over the latest congressional vote a tempest in a teapot.
 
Advertising is how companies are able to offer products at such low prices. Its why facebook is free. Think of the value you get out of it without paying them a single dime.

A libertarian? You should remove that from your Lean, it's shown to be false.
The person who would give up all their privacy freedoms, all of it, so he can have free facebook. There you go people, the modern Libertarian, wanting Big Brother because they like their toys!


Newsflash jonny5, FB makes money off what? Off our information.
Who owns that information before you get on facebook? You do. So FB makes a fortune off your information, and you get a free web page?

Tell me you didn't sell yourself for that bargain price.
 
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