Fermi Paradox, why didn't God make aliens too?

[tosca1]

There is no proof, period.

I think the premise of this OP is on the ground of speculation.

If we use your rationale - that there is no physical proof - then, how would you answer atheists asking you if God exists?
You'd point to creation around us as the physical proof, right? That includes what we see and know so far of the cosmos!

Can we not in turn point to the universe itself as physical proof to the possibility that there could be other creations out there?


How can we exclude that possibility when our capability to explore is so limited?
That would make us thinking like primitives in ancient times who think the world ends at the horizon of the ocean.

 

[it's just me]

I think the premise of this OP is on the ground of speculation.

If we use your rationale - that there is no physical proof - then, how would you answer atheists asking you if God exists?
You'd point to creation around us as the physical proof, right? That includes what we see and know so far of the cosmos!

Can we not in turn point to the universe itself as physical proof to the possibility that there could be other creations out there?


How can we exclude that possibility when our capability to explore is so limited?
That would make us thinking like primitives in ancient times who think the world ends at the horizon of the ocean.

What I did was use the atheist's own weapon against them. If that's the way they want it they can show me the proof, and as long as they keep demanding proof that God exists I will do the same thing. They can't have it both ways.

 

[it's just me]

Doesn't mean it isn't probable/possible, does it?

If that's the way you want it then an ultimate designer is also possible.

 

[it's just me]

In that case, we don't have to worry about deporting aliens then

At least not the short green ones.

 

[it's just me]

You are correct.

But there are lots of things for which there was no proof, but given the pattern of how things worked, we suspected they were there and we looked and sure enough we found it.

When the periodic table of elements was formulated, there were many elements in there which no one had seen before. But their existence was postulated based on the patterns in the table- and sure enough, they were found later. I believe Germanium was one such element.

Also, based on the pattern of the orbit pattern of Uranus around the sun, the existence of another planet further out from it was predicted. And sure enough, later they found Neptune.

Based on certain patterns in the weak nuclear force, the existence of the Higgs particle was hypothesized back in the 1960s. They only found it in 2012.

This is a recurring theme in science. Yes we don't yet have any solid evidence for the existence of aliens. But based on what we know about the universe and its repeating patterns, there is a strong chance they do. Now they may not look like anything we have even begun to dream of. But chances are they do.

I am talking about proof, not "odds", not "chances", not "possibilities".

 

[TypicalRussian]

So here is Fermi's Paradox

1. There are billions of stars in the Milky Way similar to the Sun.[3][4]
2. With high probability, some of these stars have Earth-like planets.[5]
3. Many of these stars, and hence their planets, are much older than the sun.[6][7] If the Earth is typical, some may have developed intelligent life long ago.
4. Some of these civilizations may have developed interstellar travel, a step humans are investigating now.
5. Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in a few million years.[8]
6. And since many of the stars similar to the Sun are billions of years older, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial civilizations, or at least their probes.[9]
7. However, there is no convincing evidence that this has happened.[8]

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia


Why didn't God make aliens? Is it because he's busy dealing with humans?

this does not debunk God or is really religious related

just a fun lovely paradox

 

[Daisy]

What I did was use the atheist's own weapon against them. If that's the way they want it they can show me the proof, and as long as they keep demanding proof that God exists I will do the same thing. They can't have it both ways.

That's right...give 'me a dose of their own medicine...that'll teach 'em...:roll:

 

[tosca1]

What I did was use the atheist's own weapon against them. If that's the way they want it they can show me the proof, and as long as they keep demanding proof that God exists I will do the same thing. They can't have it both ways.

But that response can backfire.

Besides, the premise of the OP - although speculative - is not necessarily atheistic.

We do not know if God had created other beings in other parts of the universe.
If God did create other beings elsewhere - it does not, in any way, negate or contradict anything in the Bible.

 

[Noodlegawd]

According to Fermi, who's a lot smarter than either of us, the universe has been around a lot longer than Earth has. Alien peoples would have a billion or two years to develop before we showed up. With that amount of time, they'd be sure to reach us. Or at least emit a signal that could reach us.

Some of these alien civilizations would be so powerful that they would use whole stars as power sources. Encasing the star in a sphere so that all of its energy could be extracted.

All baseless assumptions, especially if you bring a god into the equation.

 

[Drawdown]

So here is Fermi's Paradox

1. There are billions of stars in the Milky Way similar to the Sun.[3][4]
2. With high probability, some of these stars have Earth-like planets.[5]
3. Many of these stars, and hence their planets, are much older than the sun.[6][7] If the Earth is typical, some may have developed intelligent life long ago.
4. Some of these civilizations may have developed interstellar travel, a step humans are investigating now.
5. Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in a few million years.[8]
6. And since many of the stars similar to the Sun are billions of years older, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial civilizations, or at least their probes.[9]
7. However, there is no convincing evidence that this has happened.[8]

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia


Why didn't God make aliens? Is it because he's busy dealing with humans?

There's 1,000 species of ants in the US. Why is there only 1 species of humans?

 

[tosca1]

There's 1,000 species of ants in the US. Why is there only 1 species of humans?

Those species are all on earth, though.

 

[it's just me]

That's right...give 'me a dose of their own medicine...that'll teach 'em...:roll:

Every chance I get.

 

[Napoleon]

There's 1,000 species of ants in the US. Why is there only 1 species of humans?

Because the rest are extinct.

 

[Drawdown]

Those species are all on earth, though.

Not always

 

[Noodlegawd]

There's 1,000 species of ants in the US. Why is there only 1 species of humans?

Better yet, why aren't there any humanoid ants?

 

[swing_voter]

All baseless assumptions, especially if you bring a god into the equation.

That's a baseless assumption; especially if God is removed from the equation.

 

[Guyzilla]

So here is Fermi's Paradox

1. There are billions of stars in the Milky Way similar to the Sun.[3][4]
2. With high probability, some of these stars have Earth-like planets.[5]
3. Many of these stars, and hence their planets, are much older than the sun.[6][7] If the Earth is typical, some may have developed intelligent life long ago.
4. Some of these civilizations may have developed interstellar travel, a step humans are investigating now.
5. Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in a few million years.[8]
6. And since many of the stars similar to the Sun are billions of years older, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial civilizations, or at least their probes.[9]
7. However, there is no convincing evidence that this has happened.[8]

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia


Why didn't God make aliens? Is it because he's busy dealing with humans?

The bible talks about intelligent beings, before the dinosaurs. There is also lore, biblicalish, that says that venus was close enough for folks to go there. Elijah went off in a flying saucerish.

The bible does not pretend to be the be all end all, as far as history goes. It tells tales.

UFOs in the Bible
Painting of the Baptism of Christ with a UFO in the sky
Baptism of Christ by Aert de Gelder

The Holy Bible contains some of the oldest UFO sightings on record. Including, perhaps the most famous of all, the Star of Bethlehem.

It is extraordinary how many UFO accounts there are in ancient records and religions – from totally different places, periods of history, cultures and belief systems. Whatever your views on the UFO phenomenon – it is certainly not new.

The terminology of some of these archaic UFO accounts may be unfamiliar to us, but, when viewed objectively, the words used are in fact no less primitive than those used in modern times. What, we might wonder, will future generations make of a culture which described extraterrestrial spacecraft as “flying saucers”, or “cigar-shaped objects”?

UFO references in the Bible can be looked at in the context of who the Master Jesus really was – a Cosmic Master. The Bible even refers to his other worldly origins. When speaking about his disciples, he says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world,” in John, chapter 17, verse 16. Later, he more explicitly describes himself as being from “the bright and morning star” (the planet Venus), in Revelations, chapter 22, verse 16.
UFOs In The Bible: References By Book, Chapter & Verse

 

[Daisy]

Every chance I get.

"Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men." Romans 12:17

 

[Daisy]

The bible talks about intelligent beings, before the dinosaurs. There is also lore, biblicalish, that says that saturn was close enough for folks to go there. Elijah went off in a flying saucerish.

The bible does not pretend to be the be all end all, as far as history goes. It tells tales.

Prime example of what happens when one fails to understand the Bible, yet he thinks he does...:2rofll:

 

[Noodlegawd]

That's a baseless assumption; especially if God is removed from the equation.

Your (Fermi's) assumptions are baseless with or without a god, but they're even more nonsensical when you inject god into the equation like you did (otherwise, why mention it?).

For instance, if there were a god and it created the universe and everything in it, perhaps it created all life at the same time, or created us first. There's no good reason to think otherwise, since the premise is already completely arbitrary and baseless.

Maybe in 5000 years, if we haven't destroyed ourselves and we manage to master interstellar travel and developed a "Prime Directive," there will be some other modern civilization out there in the galaxy wondering why we haven't visited them.

And if you remove a god from the equation, then you just have a long series of probability assertion steps, where we currently have no possible way of knowing any of the probabilities for any of the steps.

 

[ataraxia]

I am talking about proof, not "odds", not "chances", not "possibilities".

So we can’t look for proof for things that are highly possible and suggestive, until we have proof?

 

[Guyzilla]

Prime example of what happens when one fails to understand the Bible, yet he thinks he does...:2rofll:

Teach me MASTER. There aint much I have not seen nor thought. Tell me what I dont know.

 

[grip]

There are all kinds of possible reasons why no alien life or contact. They're either too advanced or different to find us interesting enough to contact. No life has advanced enough to solve the interstellar distance dilemma. Maybe we've not been located yet or many advanced species have already gone extinct. It could be any race advanced enough to reach us has a 'no contact directive' in order not to interfere with more primitive life forms natural development.

 

[tosca1]

Prime example of what happens when one fails to understand the Bible, yet he thinks he does...:2rofll:

Was it Discovery channel that featured so many of those cheesy pseudo-docu? :lol:

 

[Guyzilla]

Here's the thing. Europe doesnt want the virus so they ban us. ANY smart culture would not want to risk strange infection, nor would want our DRAMA. Our interjection in more advanced people, would be like putting Trump into a democracy.