Female Genital Mutilation

[DamnYankee]

Feds Promise to Protect Half a Million American Girls from Genital Mutilation - Breitbart

Feds filed charges on a Michigan doctor for mutilating two 7 year old girls genitalia. Although the doctor denies it, she was placed on administrative leave by the hospital.

Is this the kind of culture that we as a nation should be welcoming into the "Melting Pot?"

 

[Zyphlin]

Feds Promise to Protect Half a Million American Girls from Genital Mutilation - Breitbart

Feds filed charges on a Michigan doctor for mutilating two 7 year old girls genitalia. Although the doctor denies it, she was placed on administrative leave by the hospital.

Is this the kind of culture that we as a nation should be welcoming into the "Melting Pot?"

No. And it seems it's not, given the fact that Feds have filed chargers against her, indicating pretty clearly that the nation is not "welcoming" such things.

 

[DamnYankee]

No. And it seems it's not, given the fact that Feds have filed chargers against her, indicating pretty clearly that the nation is not "welcoming" such things.

The US welcomes over a quarter million people a year from countries where this kind of barbaric practice is done. Naturally these people bring with them their culture. Didn't you read the article?

 

[Hypnotoad]

This one is a tricky issue to deal with. A lot of people will argue that since MGM takes place all the time (circumcision) here in America and it's practiced not only for religious reasons, that FGM should be permitted especially because it's a religious thing for them.

How do you tell them that they can't do that to their daughters while at the same time allow the Jewish Community to circumcise boys?

 

[americanwoman]

The US welcomes over a quarter million people a year from countries where this kind of barbaric practice is done. Naturally these people bring with them their culture. Didn't you read the article?

Yes and we practice our own form of male genital mutilation here. Is our culture of doing that any better than that barbarian cultures?

To be fair, I do not agree with genital mutilation of either gender.

 

[countryboy]

Yes and we practice our own form of male genital mutilation here. Is our culture of doing that any better than that barbarian cultures?

To be fair, I do not agree with genital mutilation of either gender.

There's no comparison between the two. None. Don't even. oke

 

[DamnYankee]

There's no comparison between the two. None. Don't even. oke

Exactly.

No comparison. I don't think very many people realize the extent of FGM.

 

[americanwoman]

There's no comparison between the two. None. Don't even. oke

I wouldn't say there is absolutely no comparison. Sure there are distinct differences but at the basic part it's mutilation and you are cutting off a piece of the genitalia, permanently altering someone's body. There are many arguments for the differences or the similarities and either way I still don't agree with either practice.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/male-circumcision-vs-female-circumcision/392732/

 

[Crovax]

There's no comparison between the two. None. Don't even. oke

Exactly just more anti-America tripe while ignoring the facts

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks

 

[Renae]

This one is a tricky issue to deal with. A lot of people will argue that since MGM takes place all the time (circumcision) here in America and it's practiced not only for religious reasons, that FGM should be permitted especially because it's a religious thing for them.

How do you tell them that they can't do that to their daughters while at the same time allow the Jewish Community to circumcise boys?

A: It's not just jewish people
B: FGM harms women, is practiced specifically to reduce the pleasure a woman has during intercourse under the misguided belief this will "control" them and help protect family honor.

 

[countryboy]

I wouldn't say there is absolutely no comparison. Sure there are distinct differences but at the basic part it's mutilation and you are cutting off a piece of the genitalia, permanently altering someone's body. There are many arguments for the differences or the similarities and either way I still don't agree with either practice.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/male-circumcision-vs-female-circumcision/392732/

There is no comparison, medically or culturally. Period, end of story.

 

[Renae]

I wouldn't say there is absolutely no comparison. Sure there are distinct differences but at the basic part it's mutilation and you are cutting off a piece of the genitalia, permanently altering someone's body. There are many arguments for the differences or the similarities and either way I still don't agree with either practice.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/male-circumcision-vs-female-circumcision/392732/

One is done for health, one is done for control. There is no equivalency.

 

[americanwoman]

Exactly just more anti-America tripe while ignoring the facts

Okay that's why God "made" the foreskin over the penis. So it could be ritually cut off.

 

[americanwoman]

One is done for health, one is done for control. There is no equivalency.

genital mutilation
noun
1.
any type of cutting or removal of all or some of the genital organs, especially excision of the clitoris.

Definition shows some comparison.

 

[Renae]

Okay that's why God "made" the foreskin over the penis. So it could be ritually cut off.

Actually.. yeah.

10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”(Genesis 17:10-14).

 

[Renae]

Definition shows some comparison.

How does FGM affect the health of women and girls?
FGM has serious implications for the sexual and reproductive health of girls and women.

The effects of FGM depend on a number of factors, including the type performed, the expertise of the practitioner, the hygiene conditions under which it is performed, the amount of resistance and the general health condition of the girl/woman undergoing the procedure. Complications may occur in all types of FGM, but are most frequent with infibulation.

Immediate complications include severe pain, shock, haemorrhage, tetanus or infection, urine retention, ulceration of the genital region and injury to adjacent tissue, wound infection, urinary infection, fever, and septicemia. Haemorrhage and infection can be severe enough to cause death.

Long-term consequences include complications during childbirth, anaemia, the formation of cysts and abscesses, keloid scar formation, damage to the urethra resulting in urinary incontinence, dyspareunia (painful sexual intercourse), sexual dysfunction, hypersensitivity of the genital area and increased risk of HIV transmission, as well as psychological effects.

- See more at: Female genital mutilation (FGM) frequently asked questions | UNFPA - United Nations Population Fund

FGM has no place in this world

A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.

Circumcision: Get the Facts, Benefits, Risks & More

 

[Zyphlin]

The US welcomes over a quarter million people a year from countries where this kind of barbaric practice is done. Naturally these people bring with them their culture. Didn't you read the article?

Bringing their "culture" in a broad sense does not equate to bringing this particular aspect of it in each of those cases. That's as asinine as believing that every American shares, agrees with, and indulges in every aspect that's present in "American" culture. And, the reality is, often those that are coming here in a legal fashion from other countries and seeking to stay here for any significant time are doing so because there is a desire, to some degree, to change things around them; including, potentially, certain aspects of their culture. So one does not automatically mean the other.

 

[DamnYankee]

Circumcision (male) Why it's done - Mayo Clinic

 

[DamnYankee]

Bringing their "culture" in a broad sense does not equate to bringing this particular aspect of it in each of those cases. That's as asinine as believing that every American shares, agrees with, and indulges in every aspect that's present in "American" culture. And, the reality is, often those that are coming here in a legal fashion from other countries and seeking to stay here for any significant time are doing so because there is a desire, to some degree, to change things around them; including, potentially, certain aspects of their culture. So one does not automatically mean the other.

Where in American culture is it that says to mutilate your daughters genitalia? That's what we're talking about, right?

 

[Henrin]

A: It's not just jewish people
B: FGM harms women, is practiced specifically to reduce the pleasure a woman has during intercourse under the misguided belief this will "control" them and help protect family honor.

How much do you really know about the history of the reasons for both?

Here is just a few reasons both have been done in the past:

FGM:

To control sexual behavior
To stop girls from pleasuring themselves
for appearances
to help prevent infections
to increase male pressure
to punish girls for masturbating or having sex
faith based reasons

circumision:

To stop boys from masturbating
To control sexual behavior
for appearances
to help prevent diseases
to avoid infections
to punish boys for masturbating or having sex
faith based reasons

Do you notice how a lot of those reasons are the same for both?

 

[Henrin]

FGM has no place in this world


Circumcision: Get the Facts, Benefits, Risks & More

You realize that whole list is crap right?

1. Medicines exist to treat urinary tract infections and most men will not have one.
2. HIV is decreasing as we speak all the while circumcision rates are going down. The rates are not then going down because of circumision, but for some other reason. What do you think that reason is? Could it be safe sex practices has increased?
3. The argument here is that HPV risk in women is higher with a uncircumcised man. This argument for circumcision however is no longer valid with the HPV vaccine out. Get your boy or girl the vaccine instead.
4. Same as above. Get the HPV vaccine instead.
5. The majority of men will not have this and in the vast majority of cases circumcision is not necessary to treat.
6. Mostly caused by improper treatment of the foreskin after birth and in most cases when it happens circumcision is not necessary.
7. If someone can't take one second to clean under the foreskin with a tiny amount of water they're an idiot.

 

[Hypnotoad]

A: It's not just jewish people
B: FGM harms women, is practiced specifically to reduce the pleasure a woman has during intercourse under the misguided belief this will "control" them and help protect family honor.

I am well aware of that. I'm just pointing out the fact that someone could argue based on "Well their religion gets to mangle wedding tackle, why can't we?"

In fact the argument becomes more difficult because it's no longer just for religious reasons. Nowadays it's being done to babies of all faiths and also to those who come from purely secular families.

And therein lies the problem. How do we argue against one but not the other to people who are going to look at all that and say "That's not fair."?

 

[Renae]

How much do you really know about the history of the reasons for both?

Here is just a few reasons both have been done in the past:

FGM:

To control sexual behavior
To stop girls from pleasuring themselves
for appearances
to help prevent infections
to increase male pressure
to punish girls for masturbating or having sex
faith based reasons

circumision:

To stop boys from masturbating
To control sexual behavior
for appearances
to help prevent diseases
to avoid infections
to punish boys for masturbating or having sex
faith based reasons

Do you notice how a lot of those reasons are the same for both?

You are notorious for pushing a false narrative on this matter and thus your views are dismissed

 

[Renae]

I am well aware of that. I'm just pointing out the fact that someone could argue based on "Well their religion gets to mangle wedding tackle, why can't we?"

In fact the argument becomes more difficult because it's no longer just for religious reasons. Nowadays it's being done to babies of all faiths and also to those who come from purely secular families.

And therein lies the problem. How do we argue against one but not the other to people who are going to look at all that and say "That's not fair."?

Male circucumcision has benefits female does not.

 

[Henrin]

You are notorious for pushing a false narrative on this matter and thus your views are dismissed

False narrative? Nothing I said was false.