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[AlbqOwl]

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Yes, the USA's illegal invasion of Afghanistan, the ultimate war crime. Why were talks with the Taliban going on in August 2001? Why was this awful Taliban being brought to the USA in the late 1990s to be wined and dined, taken to US tourist traps like that abomination, Mt Pushmore?

There were no Arab hijackers. There is no evidence for them. There is no evidence that any of the alleged planes hit what the USGOCT says they hit. There is molten/vaporized steel, which was impossible for the "hijackers". There was free fall for WTC7, a total impossibility for "hijackers" and Newton's Laws Of Motion.

Same for the twin towers. Gravity collapses cannot [= impossible] cause multi-ton steel sections to project laterally for hundreds of yards.

Did you buy into the Rumsfeld/Russert [what a shameless propagandist he was!] Al Qaeda Afghan fortresses? Why would OBL flee all these super fortified underground fortresses for a house in Pakistan? Rummy: "And there are many of these!"

Guuuulllllllllible!

Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and many other Democrats and leftists in Washington at the time were 100% as well as the huge majority of developed nations were convinced that al Qaeda and the Taliban and Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11? Not a single one of them has ever questioned it? The Congressional vote to use military force in retaliation was overwhelming and as bipartisan as it gets?

Now if you can convince me you have access to military intelligence superior to theirs, go for it.

Until then I will just wish you a pleasant day.

 

[camlok]

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Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and many other Democrats and leftists in Washington at the time were 100% as well as the huge majority of developed nations were convinced that al Qaeda and the Taliban and Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11? Not a single one of them has ever questioned it? The Congressional vote to use military force in retaliation was overwhelming and as bipartisan as it gets?

Gee, the war criminals of Congress voted for the US to go into more illegal invasions, surprise,
surprise!

Now if you can convince me you have access to military intelligence superior to theirs, go for it.

Until then I will just wish you a pleasant day.

Why are you so desperate to avoid reality? If the USGOCT has any evidence to support it, this ought to be a slam dunk.

But, for now, this is about OBL. OBL had nothing to do with 911. The guy in the phony US propaganda film was right handed, OBL was left handed. He was wearing a watch and a ring, something that OBL didn't do. His nose is much broader than the real OBL.

OBL not involved in 911 means the, right now, totally bogus USGOCT is sunk because they were pushing OBL hardly one hour after the WTC1 strike. You can't find any evidence for the hijackers. And the molten/vaporized steel, the US government/US military 1990s developed nanothermite was in WTC dust. How did those and all the other total impossibilities happen, AlbqOwl?

 

[AlbqOwl]

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Why are you so desperate to avoid reality? If the USGOCT has any evidence to support it, this ought to be a slam dunk.

But, for now, this is about OBL. OBL had nothing to do with 911. The guy in the phony US propaganda film was right handed, OBL was left handed. He was wearing a watch and a ring, something that OBL didn't do. His nose is much broader than the real OBL.

OBL not involved in 911 means the, right now, totally bogus USGOCT is sunk because they were pushing OBL hardly one hour after the WTC1 strike. You can't find any evidence for the hijackers. And the molten/vaporized steel, the US government/US military 1990s developed nanothermite was in WTC dust. How did those and all the other total impossibilities happen, AlbqOwl?

As I said, when you can show that you have the same access to military intelligence as all those other people get back to me. Until then have a pleasant evening.

 

[camlok]

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As I said, when you can show that you have the same access to military intelligence as all those other people get back to me. Until then have a pleasant evening.

Why are you ignoring stark realities? The free fall, the nanothermite, the molten/vaporized steel, the FACT that your escape plan, the "military intelligence" the top on the planet couldn't find OBL but a CNN reporter was able to fly to Afghanistan, get a car and drive to his hideout and interview him with no problem.

Can you say "extremely gullible"?

Who supplied this "military intelligence" to Congress? Did some guy from the Pentagon just get up one day and walk over and fill them all in?

 

[camlok]

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Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and many other Democrats and leftists in Washington at the time were 100% as well as the huge majority of developed nations were convinced that al Qaeda and the Taliban and Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11? Not a single one of them has ever questioned it? The Congressional vote to use military force in retaliation was overwhelming and as bipartisan as it gets?

Right or "left", of which there are precious few in the USA, has nothing to do with OBL not being involved in 911. He denied it. He pointed out that, unlike the USA, he was not interested in slaughtering innocents.

How come Peter Arnett, the CNN reporter and his crew were able to find OBL with no problem at all but "military intelligence" couldn't?

This doesn't pass the smell test for even the most badly brainwashed folks. One only has to look at the fake video to see it was a fake OBL.

Why are you even discussing "military intelligence" and what the war criminals of Congress did or didn't do? The issue is that OBL had nothing to do with the events of 911. No OBL equals no Arab hijackers.

Nanothermite, molten/vaporized steel, ... says that this was a homegrown event, the neo cons "new Pearl Harbor".

Or has the "military intelligence" got a new set of bad guys/boogeymen they want to trot out for the ruminating sheeple?

 

[camlok]

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Who supplied the propaganda/intelligence/story to the US people/Congress/... that OBL was responsible for 911?

 

[gamolon]

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Why are you ignoring stark realities? The free fall,

The data shows an AVERAGE of free fall meaning there are data points slower and faster than free fall.

the nanothermite,

There are gaping holes in Harrit's paper AND the fact that Basile hasn't confirmed ANY findings of thermite. His report is late yet again.

the molten/vaporized steel,

Do you know the difference between molten and vaporized? What temperatures are needed to vaporize steel?

Let's pick a topic above and discuss the debate points. How about the Harrit paper and thermite being used? you game for a discussion?

 

[Thoreau72]

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Osama bin Laden was the spiritual and effective leader of al Qaeda that both U.S. and U.K. intelligence easily identified as the perpetrators of the attack most specifically from within the ranks of the Taliban in Afghanistan. bin Laden himself effectively made that point in a video made after 9/11 but released just about the time we made our first strikes on the Taliban. (His timing wasn't the best.) So whether or not he himself ordered the attack on 9/11, he was inextricably tied to it. And his personal headquarters were in Afghanistan at the time of the 9/11 attack. (He fled to Pakistan some weeks later.)
9/11: Osama bin Laden's spectacular miscalculation - CNN

That is an excellent recitation of that part of the Official Story regarding the events at WTC. Excellent!

Great recitation of talking points, but not the truth.

 

[camlok]

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The data shows an AVERAGE of free fall meaning there are data points slower and faster than free fall.


There are gaping holes in Harrit's paper AND the fact that Basile hasn't confirmed ANY findings of thermite. His report is late yet again.

You are doing it again, as the Zero Evidence Club always does, picks picayune, nonsensical issues that they know nothing about.

Don't you think it very odd that I have never come across gamolon in any of the peer reviewed material on 911?

Don't you think it odd that none of the Zero Evidence Club has come forward to tell you that you are off topic?


Do you know the difference between molten and vaporized? What temperatures are needed to vaporize steel?

As always, zero evidence from the Zero Evidence Club. Of course I know the difference. Here is John the gross liar Gross grasping a previously molten/vaporized steel beam.

[video]http://wtfrly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/911truthgrosswtc7beam.jpg[/video]

This is the same John the gross liar Gross that categorically denied molten steel. But you know all this, that he lied his ass off about these and many other issues.

Here is the molten/vaporized steel as described by FEMA.

[video]http://wtfrly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/911bpatsamples.jpg[/video]


Why do you seem so intent on diligently supporting gross liars, "scientists" who have badly abused every notion of what science is, what science is supposed to be about?

Why do you seem so intent on diligently supporting folks who defend murderers, war criminals, terrorists, baby killers, ... ?

 

[camlok]

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The data ...

Who was it that supplied the propaganda/intelligence/story to the US people/Congress/... that OBL was responsible for 911?

 

[camlok]

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Now if you can convince me you have access to military intelligence superior to theirs, go for it.

All you have to do is provide the "military intelligence"/evidence/proof that the Bush/Cheney/Powell war criminals/terrorists promised to provide.

You know, the evidence that has you SO convinced of the veracity of the USGOCT.

 

[AlbqOwl]

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All you have to do is provide the "military intelligence"/evidence/proof that the Bush/Cheney/Powell war criminals/terrorists promised to provide.

You know, the evidence that has you SO convinced of the veracity of the USGOCT.

There was 1 dissenting vote in all of Congress and nobody in the military or national security leadership who thought there was insufficient evidence to take military action in the wake of 9/11. All you have to do is prove to me that you were there when the entire Congress and military and security leaders, other national leaders, NATO, the U.N. etc. reviewed the intelligence and therefore know first hand that what they believed was there wasn't there. Unless you can do that, I'm afraid you are outnumbered many hundreds to one.

 

[camlok]

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There was 1 dissenting vote in all of Congress and nobody in the military or national security leadership who thought there was insufficient evidence to take military action in the wake of 9/11. All you have to do is prove to me that you were there when the entire Congress and military and security leaders, other national leaders, NATO, the U.N. etc. reviewed the intelligence and therefore know first hand that what they believed was there wasn't there. Unless you can do that, I'm afraid you are outnumbered many hundreds to one.

I'm outnumbered by hundreds of complicit war criminals! This, THIS, you offer as your "evidence" for OBL being involved in 911??!!

How incredibly ludicrous!! Your entire premise is based on what you KNOW full well to be a gigantic lie, the sum total of all the US government 911 lies.

Science and the facts tell you that there is zero chance, not a snowball's chance in hell that Arab hijackers could melt or vaporize steel, THEREFORE, there is the same snowball's chance in hell that there were any Arab hijackers.

You still have not provided one speck of evidence that OBL was involved in 911 in any way, shape or form. He couldn't have even known about it, unless his CIA handlers gave him a heads up.

For dog's sakes, even the big Dick, Dick Cheney stated that OBL had nothing to do with 911!!

OBL not involved in the events of 911 - well, you already KNOW that the science and the facts state that - so just who does that leave, AlbqOwl? Who had sole control, who had, AND STILL TO THIS DAY, HAS total and complete control over NANOTHERMITE?

You know that too. The people that developed this bottom up method of making nano-scale "super explosive", "new generation of super explosives", the US government military labs!

Do you grasp what "nano-scale" means? That means particles, NOT GROUND DOWN to one billionth of a meter/roughly one millionth of a 1/32 of an inch for those ignorant of metric, but built up from these truly microscopic sizes. These tiny tiny particles make for a much much much more powerful explosive than regular explosives.

Perfect for the controlled demolitions of WTCs 1, 2 and 7. Not something 19 Arab hijackers had a prayer of doing.

It wasn't OBL or any "Arab hijackers" who magically tossed it out the windows of the jets as they exploded into the the twin towers and then, one of them desperately launched a last few seconds Hail Mary pass that was able to make it a football field or more and land in WTC7, waiting there until 5:23PM to bring down WTC7 at free fall. Allah be praised!!

 

[AlbqOwl]

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I'm outnumbered by hundreds of complicit war criminals! This, THIS, you offer as your "evidence" for OBL being involved in 911??!!

How incredibly ludicrous!! Your entire premise is based on what you KNOW full well to be a gigantic lie, the sum total of all the US government 911 lies.

Science and the facts tell you that there is zero chance, not a snowball's chance in hell that Arab hijackers could melt or vaporize steel, THEREFORE, there is the same snowball's chance in hell that there were any Arab hijackers.

You still have not provided one speck of evidence that OBL was involved in 911 in any way, shape or form. He couldn't have even known about it, unless his CIA handlers gave him a heads up.

For dog's sakes, even the big Dick, Dick Cheney stated that OBL had nothing to do with 911!!

OBL not involved in the events of 911 - well, you already KNOW that the science and the facts state that - so just who does that leave, AlbqOwl? Who had sole control, who had, AND STILL TO THIS DAY, HAS total and complete control over NANOTHERMITE?

You know that too. The people that developed this bottom up method of making nano-scale "super explosive", "new generation of super explosives", the US government military labs!

Do you grasp what "nano-scale" means? That means particles, NOT GROUND DOWN to one billionth of a meter/roughly one millionth of a 1/32 of an inch for those ignorant of metric, but built up from these truly microscopic sizes. These tiny tiny particles make for a much much much more powerful explosive than regular explosives.

Perfect for the controlled demolitions of WTCs 1, 2 and 7. Not something 19 Arab hijackers had a prayer of doing.

It wasn't OBL or any "Arab hijackers" who magically tossed it out the windows of the jets as they exploded into the the twin towers and then, one of them desperately launched a last few seconds Hail Mary pass that was able to make it a football field or more and land in WTC7, waiting there until 5:23PM to bring down WTC7 at free fall. Allah be praised!!

I'm not getting into the World Trade Center conspiracy stuff. I am sticking with the OP that questions the evidence that Osama bin laden was in any way involved with the 9/11 attack. I don't think anybody has said he ordered it because there is no way to know for sure. But was he in Afghanistan at the time of the 9/11 attack? I think there is ample evidence that he was. Was he closely associated with the group(s) who did initiate the attack? As their spiritual leader and recognized leader of al Qaida, I think there is ample evidence that he was. Were four airplanes hijacked at the Boston airport and flown into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon? I believe there is ample evidence that they were including one person close to me who lost a loved one in one of those planes.

And unless you have anything to show me of your personal first hand knowledge that the evidence wasn't there despite testimony of hundreds who saw it, or that none of that happened other than what comes from the prolific conspiracy sites, my opinion is just as good as yours.

Now if you have nothing more to add to the discussion, let's call it a day. And do have a good one.

 

[camlok]

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I'm not getting into the World Trade Center conspiracy stuff. I am sticking with the OP that questions the evidence that Osama bin laden was in any way involved with the 9/11 attack.

You can't not get involved in the US government conspiracy stuff because the US government has advanced a ludicrous and totally impossible conspiracy theory. OBL was not involved in the events of 911, which means, given that he was the main perpetrator of the US government conspiracy theory, means that the same US government has been lying thru their teeth for over 16 years, and funny thing is, most of you folks know it and still you defend this deep an evil.

I don't think anybody has said he ordered it because there is no way to know for sure.

You are stunningly ignorant on the facts and events of 911. Paul Bull**** Bremer was on TV by about 9:15 on 9-11 trumpeting OBL, OBL OBL!!!


But was he in Afghanistan at the time of the 9/11 attack? I think there is ample evidence that he was. Was he closely associated with the group(s) who did initiate the attack? As their spiritual leader and recognized leader of al Qaida, I think there is ample evidence that he was.

You have no idea where he was, nor do you have any idea if there is any evidence, ample or otherwise. Why don't you simply get yourself up to speed instead of operating in this zero knowledge world you inhabit.

Sir Issac Newton says that the alleged "group(s)" had no chance of being involved. US government/US military nanothermite says that the alleged "group(s)" had no chance of being involved. Molten/vaporized steel says that the alleged "group(s)" had no chance of being involved.

All these things above do tell you with close to absolute certainty that the group(s) that were involved resided in the Washington, DC area.

Were four airplanes hijacked at the Boston airport and flown into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon? I believe there is ample evidence that they were including one person close to me who lost a loved one in one of those planes.

Do you now mean to suggest that having "one person close to me who lost a loved one in one of those planes" constitutes "evidence".

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word in even a disreputable dictionary.


And unless you have anything to show me of your personal first hand knowledge that the evidence wasn't there despite testimony of hundreds who saw it, or that none of that happened other than what comes from the prolific conspiracy sites, my opinion is just as good as yours.

Your opinion, thank you for that wee bit on honesty, means diddly squat next to the voluminous scientific evidence that has been put forward by thousands of highly qualified engineers, architects, physicists, scientists, scholars of all kinds.

What is it that you can't grasp about non-commercially available, solely US government/US military proprietary unreacted nanothermite and the by products of those same thermitic reactions being found in WTC dust in large volumes? That means no Arab hijackers.

On the government side, there is nobody willing to put their professional credentials forward in support of the USGOCT.

Now if you have nothing more to add to the discussion, let's call it a day. And do have a good one.

Why have you totally ignored the fact I supplied to you that Dick Cheney has stated that OBL had nothing to do with 911?

 

[camlok]

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Were four airplanes hijacked at the Boston airport No, you can't even get this simple thing right. and flown into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon? I believe there is ample evidence that they were

"You believe" but you aren't willing to do the research to find out that most of what you believe is pure, unadulterated drivel.


including one person close to me who lost a loved one in one of those planes.

And unless you have anything to show me of your personal first hand knowledge that the evidence wasn't there despite testimony of hundreds who saw it, or that none of that happened other than what comes from the prolific conspiracy sites, my opinion is just as good as yours.

It is truly amazing how people who actually function day to day can ignore such stark realities.

Not one serial numbered airplane part from the roughly 4 million parts on the four planes has ever been identified as coming from any of the alleged planes. If Russia or China tried to pull off a scam like this they would be laughed off the planet. USians accept rank bull**** like this from their governments daily.

Col George Nelson, USAF ret, is NOT a conspiracy theorist. Nor are any of the other thousands upon thousands of architects, engineers, physicists, firemen, scholars, police officers, ... who actually study the events of 911, unlike you and people like you don't even know what airports the planes allegedly departed from.

https://www.ff911truthandunity.org/col-george-nelson

Impossible to Prove a Falsehood True:
Aircraft Parts as a Positive Clue to Aircraft Identity
by George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious, but small hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the government’s alleged version of what actually caused the total destruction of the WTC buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft.

What about Dick Cheney?

 

[Thoreau72]

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There was 1 dissenting vote in all of Congress and nobody in the military or national security leadership who thought there was insufficient evidence to take military action in the wake of 9/11. All you have to do is prove to me that you were there when the entire Congress and military and security leaders, other national leaders, NATO, the U.N. etc. reviewed the intelligence and therefore know first hand that what they believed was there wasn't there. Unless you can do that, I'm afraid you are outnumbered many hundreds to one.

Ah yes, the mob is always right. So typical of American thought in this graceless age. As CBS puts it in the title of one of its new TV shows, the Wisdom of The Crowd.

Everybody thinks that way Mommy, why shouldn't I? :lol:

 

[camlok]

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Ah yes, the mob is always right. So typical of American thought in this graceless age. As CBS puts it in the title of one of its new TV shows, the Wisdom of The Crowd.

And what's worse, T, is that everyone knows that mob of Congress were so dead wrong because American "intelligence" was so dead wrong! And it's not like this is the first time a US false flag has been waved in front of everyone's nose.

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me every time ..., gee, I must be a gullible American.

Everybody thinks that way Mommy, why shouldn't I? :lol:

And considering the myriad total impossibilities in the US government wacky conspiracy theory only the incredibly naive/ignorant and the patently dishonest still support the US 911 conspiracy theory.

 

[camlok]

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[AlbqOwl]

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Ah yes, the mob is always right. So typical of American thought in this graceless age. As CBS puts it in the title of one of its new TV shows, the Wisdom of The Crowd.

Everybody thinks that way Mommy, why shouldn't I? :lol:

Sorry but the analogy just doesn't fit in this case. So since the other member will not answer the question, I'll ask you. Were you there? You were watching at the time and know for sure that no airplane struct a World Trade Center tower or the Pentagon? You reviewed the evidence for al Qaida's role yourself and therefore know for a fact that it was bogus? You think all those world leaders, NATO, the U.N., many who have no love for us whatsoever, all made it up?

Of course mistakes were made. Some signals were missed. All the Presidents since Reagan who have seriously been dealing with the Islamic terrorist threat have been aware that Americans were targeted. Condi Rice herself acknowledged heightened warnings from the CIA that al Qaida was plotting something and security had been tightened overseas and the FBI, CIA, the the National Security advisor were watching and trying to determine who how and where an attack might come. But nobody was watching those guys training in American flight schools where they learned just enough to fly jetliners or the eleven total who hijacked four of them.

And none of the evidence was more compelling to me than my heartbroken friend who attended the funeral of one of the passengers who was on Flight 11 that day.

 

[camlok]

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Sorry but the analogy just doesn't fit in this case. So since the other member will not answer the question, I'll ask you. Were you there? You were watching at the time and know for sure that no airplane struct[sic] a World Trade Center tower or the Pentagon?

You are either deliberately missing the point or a worse alternative, AlbqOwl. People who were there have said that they saw no plane, but we can set this aside as it is not important.

What is important is the US government official conspiracy theory, the one you pretend to believe in, is a total impossibility. Not a single aircraft part out of roughly 4 million has ever been positively identified with the airplanes alleged by the US government to have been the ones that struck the four locations.

The engine that flew out of the north wall of WTC2 and landed on Murray Street, you know of this I gather, was not an engine that was put in the 767-200 series United Airlines planes. Doesn't this tell you that the "plane" that hit WTC2 was not United Airlines flight 175?

Doesn't this say to you, "Hold on here, something is mighty fishy about the USGOCT"?

...

And none of the evidence was more compelling to me than my heartbroken friend who attended the funeral of one of the passengers who was on Flight 11 that day.

You can't possibly think that that is evidence, AO. But it most certainly is the kind of "thinking" that US governments want to see in their citizens.

 

[Thoreau72]

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Sorry but the analogy just doesn't fit in this case. So since the other member will not answer the question, I'll ask you. Were you there? You were watching at the time and know for sure that no airplane struct a World Trade Center tower or the Pentagon? You reviewed the evidence for al Qaida's role yourself and therefore know for a fact that it was bogus? You think all those world leaders, NATO, the U.N., many who have no love for us whatsoever, all made it up?

Of course mistakes were made. Some signals were missed. All the Presidents since Reagan who have seriously been dealing with the Islamic terrorist threat have been aware that Americans were targeted. Condi Rice herself acknowledged heightened warnings from the CIA that al Qaida was plotting something and security had been tightened overseas and the FBI, CIA, the the National Security advisor were watching and trying to determine who how and where an attack might come. But nobody was watching those guys training in American flight schools where they learned just enough to fly jetliners or the eleven total who hijacked four of them.

And none of the evidence was more compelling to me than my heartbroken friend who attended the funeral of one of the passengers who was on Flight 11 that day.

Thanks for asking--no I was not there. FYI just to clarify, it is true that 2 aircraft struck the WTC towers, and I have never claimed otherwise. It is equally true that the aircraft that struck those towers WERE NOT those claimed in the official story which you still accept and defend. It was not AA11 that struck the North Tower, and it was not UA175 that struck the South Tower.

You may not consider that an important point, but I do. On that point alone, the official story fails. There are many other facts that cause the story to fail.

One of those other facts is the Flight Data Recorder for AA77, the flight that supposedly hit the Pentagon. What the government released 5 years after the request was counterfeit. That alone renders the official story that you still embrace to be false.

No, I wasn't there. I watched the events of the day play out on TV at work and in a nearby snack bar. Interestingly, several critical details shown on TV that day, and in newspapers in the following days, have since been expunged from the internet. That includes FEMA photos taken by one Kurt Sonnenfeld. They were made available to the public, but very soon somebody realized that some of those photos revealed WAY too much truth.

There is a reason for that. Expunging the photographic record means something, and I suspect you know that.

 

[mike2810]

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Thanks for asking--no I was not there. FYI just to clarify, it is true that 2 aircraft struck the WTC towers, and I have never claimed otherwise. It is equally true that the aircraft that struck those towers WERE NOT those claimed in the official story which you still accept and defend. It was not AA11 that struck the North Tower, and it was not UA175 that struck the South Tower.

You may not consider that an important point, but I do. On that point alone, the official story fails. There are many other facts that cause the story to fail.

One of those other facts is the Flight Data Recorder for AA77, the flight that supposedly hit the Pentagon. What the government released 5 years after the request was counterfeit. That alone renders the official story that you still embrace to be false.

No, I wasn't there. I watched the events of the day play out on TV at work and in a nearby snack bar. Interestingly, several critical details shown on TV that day, and in newspapers in the following days, have since been expunged from the internet. That includes FEMA photos taken by one Kurt Sonnenfeld. They were made available to the public, but very soon somebody realized that some of those photos revealed WAY too much truth.

There is a reason for that. Expunging the photographic record means something, and I suspect you know that.

Some who have questioned that the US killed OBL in the raid bring up that his body was never really shown. That the navy buried something out at sea in a unknown location.

Since you do not accept the govt explanation of the killing of OBL and you believe he died way earlier. Why no photo evidence of that earlier death? What evidence has really been presented to back up the claim that OBL died but not at the hands of the US govt.?

 

[LaDexter]

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" it is true that 2 aircraft struck the WTC towers"


Don't agree.

Just the South Tower was hit.

Videos with PhotoShopped "planes" in them do not change the fact that the explosions from the two towers on "impact" were completely different. One had "momentum" of a plane, the other did not...

 

[LaDexter]

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Some who have questioned that the US killed OBL in the raid bring up that his body was never really shown. That the navy buried something out at sea in a unknown location.

Since you do not accept the govt explanation of the killing of OBL and you believe he died way earlier. Why no photo evidence of that earlier death? What evidence has really been presented to back up the claim that OBL died but not at the hands of the US govt.?

There is no reliable evidence that Col Ossman/OBL is dead or died or whatever. He existed. He was with Ziggy B in the 70s. He was a CIA. He did not come back from Afghan after the Russians left....

But we have no corpse, and nobody believable with an "answer."

Best bet = Col Ossman is alive and well living on the West Bank