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FBI arrests East LA man for allegedly distributing face shields during protests

Allan said:
They were a group of rioters were they. Do you know that or are you being creative?
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Please notice the use of the conditioning word, "if" in my comment.

(Britannica Dictionary definition of IF. ( something that is not certain : something that could either happen or not happen.)
 
Allan said:
A face shield is legal for anyone to possess , wear or sell.

They have to prove Orellana himself conspired to riot.

Tough job for a prosecutor.
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Mostly true of firearms, these days. And the poster's argument suggests the mere sale of an item that "reduces risk" for a rioter is sufficient cause to prosecute. Seems firearms can be interpreted to "reduce risk", especially given the ubiquity of stand your ground laws and good guy with a gun arguments.
 
reinaert said:
So, you have a problem with every gun shop in America. Their product also reduces risks.
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That's debatable. A gun can reduce risk if used in a defensive mode, but not in an offensive mode. (See? Others can make silly arguments, too.)
reinaert said:
You all started using civil disorder at the same time.
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It probably didn't come up in conversation very often until you guys started rioting. You seldom hear things like, "Hi, Fred. Seen any good civil disorder lately?"
 
Allan said:
The OP article says it's 18 USC 371.
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that's the conspiracy part

the unfiled charge is 'conspiracy to commit civil disorders'


I think this is the underlying crime, the 'civil disorders' part the dude allegedly conspired to commit
 
phoenix2020 said:
No, the much better explanation for your comment is that you appear to have first hand knowledge of the people involved, including not only their actions but their motivations.
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Wrong again. Your "explanation" is stupid and not meant for serious consideration.
(BTW, your bridge called and wants you back under it.)
 
Variant said:
Handing out Guns at a riot definitely would get people arrested. Face shields? I doubt it.
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What about selling guns at a gun store in the vicinity of the riot to people who are legally authorized to purchase them?
 
phoenix2020 said:
What about selling guns at a gun store in the vicinity of the riot to people who are legally authorized to purchase them?
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They aren't prosecuting a PPE store in the vicinity so I think your analogy simply fails.
 
Variant said:
They aren't prosecuting a PPE store in the vicinity so I think your analogy simply fails.
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What's stopping them from going after a PPE store next? Per the criminal code they cited, near as I can tell it makes no differentiation between whether it was an individual handing face shields out or a business selling face shields.
 
phoenix2020 said:
What's stopping them from going after a PPE store next? Per the criminal code they cited, near as I can tell it makes no differentiation between whether it was an individual handing face shields out or a business selling face shields.
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I don't think they have a case, but what they did isn't what you are saying.

I would in fact definitely expect that handing out guns at a riot would get one arrested but not selling guns in a legal manner.

It's not normally a crime to just give or sell people PPE, so the context would have to matter.
 
Mr Person said:
ICE masks = Brownshirts
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Or immigrants who want to hide their identities. The NY mayoral candidate said 3 of the ICE officers were immigrants who detained him voted for the president.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
That's right. The guy was a part of encouraging people to engage in civil disorder. That has nothing to do with a peaceful protest. When are some people going to learn that they risk arrest if they break the law?
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Passing out a mask doesn’t do that smh
 
Utility Man said:
"Lawfare"

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But yeah, we know.........

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.......it's only unfair when the law goes after your own kind. :rolleyes:
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Sloth had a heart of gold not an insatiable desire to decorate everything with it.
 
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