Fact check: Trump says again that Americans need ID to buy groceries. They still don't

[exoplanet]

At this point, the relevant thing isn't that Trump is so out of touch with normal people's lives that he thinks the average person buys their groceries with checks, it's that years later, he still can't admit a mistake or learn from it. If he believes it, it is true. Reality be damned.

Certainly, this single fact about buying groceries is trivial, but he extends the same detachment from reality into his main point, namely: "The only thing you don't need identification for is to vote, the most important single thing you're doing -- to vote. You know why? Because they cheat like hell, that's why."

Voter fraud is incredibly rare. This is yet another falsehood that he should have given up on years ago. But of course, for Trump and his supporters - reality be damned.

 

[roguenuke]

It's ridiculous that these requirements are going away. Makes it possible to commit identity theft type crimes without taking someones identity. Outside of using cash, he is correct for what once was. He just isn't up with the changes.

Past... ID to vote, ID to use anything but cash for purchases.

Present... The merchants, banks, and elections commissions are now OK with fraud.

None of those things are prevented by requiring ID, not seriously, since the average Joe couldnt tell the difference between a fake or real ID.

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[Nalu]

So you approve of littering?

No, I don't approve of littering.

 

[roguenuke]

It may depend on how one pays. Down here if one writes a check, ID information is certainly required at all the grocery stores I've went to. They write all the information on the back of the check. There have been times when paying via credit card, an ID is asked for. Then if one is buying beer or wine, tobacco regardless of age an ID is asked for to ensure you're 21.

Paying with cash is about the only certain way not to be asked for an ID as long as one doesn't buy alcohol or tobacco. Regardless, I highly doubt Trump does his own grocery shopping.

They cannot require an ID for a credit card (which includes debit cards, since they are sponsored by one of the major card companies) so long as the card is signed.

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[Nalu]

Hotels require it for law enforcement reasons. Rental car places for obvious reasons.

As to 'invariably' and 'always' I just don't believe it. They don't have self check out in CA, pay at the pump for gas? And unless my wife is drinking, I don't think I've ever been asked for an ID to pay for a meal with a CC, ever, in CA or any other state. And we travel to CA at least once a year, often 2 or 3 times to visit two sets of family, one of them lives in San Diego for the past 25 years.

There is zero chance that what he said is true.

 

[roguenuke]

People that pay with CC or DC have all provided ID to get those cards to pay for their groceries

You do not need an ID to get a credit card. You can apply for credit card online or through the mail w ilk th your SSN, proof of income, and some other personal info.

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[CaughtInThe]

Maybe last time Donald Trump was in a grocery store was when he was 8yo but his dad really took him to the liquor store and just told him it was a grocery store.

 

[roguenuke]

Theres this thing called credit cards. Your name and picture are often on them. If not...You can get asked for your drivers license.

Happens every day all over. I am glad this is the thing you pick to care about.

It is a good example of projection for the day.

No you can't, not if its signed (and even if it isnt, most places still don't ask for ID). I've never been asked to show ID with my debit card, and I usually forget to sign it.

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[Nalu]

At this point, the relevant thing isn't that Trump is so out of touch with normal people's lives that he thinks the average person buys their groceries with checks, it's that years later, he still can't admit a mistake or learn from it. If he believes it, it is true. Reality be damned.

Certainly, this single fact about buying groceries is trivial, but he extends the same detachment from reality into his main point, namely: "The only thing you don't need identification for is to vote, the most important single thing you're doing -- to vote. You know why? Because they cheat like hell, that's why."

Voter fraud is incredibly rare. This is yet another falsehood that he should have given up on years ago. But of course, for Trump and his supporters - reality be damned.

Aside from the fact that Trump wasn't even talking about checks and his supporters have taken their dementia to the daily new high by talking about checks anyway, I agree with you that Trump is just generally unhinged and that he doesn't even know the fundamentals of the voter ID issue. As with everything else, though, that doesn't keep him from vomiting his abject stupidity onto the rest of us.

 

[akyron]

No you can't, not if its signed (and even if it isnt, most places still don't ask for ID). I've never been asked to show ID with my debit card, and I usually forget to sign it.

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Must be nice to be so white and privileged.

 

[roguenuke]

Not been my experience. Maybe for debit cards, but for credit cards I'm routinely asked. I don't even recall the last time a clerk checked if my cards were signed.

They're not supposed to check your ID. If you hold it out for them, that's on you, not them requiring ID. I worked retail, we couldnt ask for ID for a card.

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[roguenuke]

My experience has been the opposite. I just get back from a 2000 mile road around California and my ID was always required. Lodging, meals, admissions, general merchandise - you name it; the invariably asked for an ID.

Lodging and car rentals, yes, but not because of the use of a credit card. Lodging you can pay cash for (at some places) and still have to provide ID. Renting a car requires you to prove you can drive it. I didn't have a driver's license for a long time and so didn't rent any cars until after I was 36.

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[roguenuke]

As I've mentioned above, that hasn't been my experience. Swipe phone or apple pay is still a form of ID, however.

No it's not. All someone would have to do is steal your unlocked phone and get/know your code for your account. There is no legal ID involved there.



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[roguenuke]

Must be nice to be so white and privileged.

That's the rules that I've already posted for credit cards. Have you never made an online purchase?

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[Nalu]

Must be nice to be so white and privileged.

I'm not white and I have never in my entire life ever been asked to show ID to buy groceries with a debit card. Not one single time in thousands of transactions.

 

[Bullseye]

No it's not. All someone would have to do is steal your unlocked phone and get/know your code for your account. There is no legal ID involved there.



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Oh, is that ALL! :lamo

 

[Bullseye]

Lodging and car rentals, yes, but not because of the use of a credit card. Lodging you can pay cash for (at some places) and still have to provide ID. Renting a car requires you to prove you can drive it. I didn't have a driver's license for a long time and so didn't rent any cars until after I was 36.

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Ok, I'm not interested in wandering off into the weeds about commercial transactions.

Trump said what he said, it has in fact some basis in fact.

 

[roguenuke]

Ok, I'm not interested in wandering off into the weeds about commercial transactions.

Trump said what he said, it has in fact some basis in fact.

No it doesn't. Groceries are very specific items, the vast majority of which you do not have to show ID for. My sons could buy groceries if I let them. I used to buy groceries for my mom all the time without ID.

The simple fact is that Trump doesnt know much at all about buying groceries, and instead of admitting that, instead, like always, he doubles down on what he said and Trump supporters jump in to defend him.

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[Bullseye]

No it doesn't. Groceries are very specific items, the vast majority of which you do not have to show ID for. My sons could buy groceries if I let them. I used to buy groceries for my mom all the time without ID.

The simple fact is that Trump doesnt know much at all about buying groceries, and instead of admitting that, instead, like always, he doubles down on what he said and Trump supporters jump in to defend him.

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LOL, is was a flippin' throw out comment, give it a rest.

 

[Nalu]

Ok, I'm not interested in wandering off into the weeds about commercial transactions.

Trump said what he said, it has in fact some basis in fact.

This is so crazy to me. Why do Trump supporters humiliate themselves by contorting false things he says in order to make them appear that they might somehow, somewhere have some remote attachment to something real? Seriously. Would it be the end of the world if we just agreed that sometimes (often) he says things that aren't true, correct the record, and then move on with our lives?

 

[sjmay]

This is so crazy to me. Why do Trump supporters humiliate themselves by contorting false things he says in order to make them appear that they might somehow, somewhere have some remote attachment to something real? Seriously. Would it be the end of the world if we just agreed that sometimes (often) he says things that aren't true, correct the record, and then move on with our lives?

It's called not getting bogged down on the inane......everyone and their brother knows you don't need ID to buy Groceries, TRUMP KNOWS THAT.

He said it, to get the MESSAGE ACROSS about VOTER ID.......and guess what, you are talking about IDs to buy ****ing celery for **** sake, you get bogged down on the actual words used instead of the message, that it's ****ing insane.

 

[Bullseye]

This is so crazy to me. Why do Trump supporters humiliate themselves by contorting false things he says in order to make them appear that they might somehow, somewhere have some remote attachment to something real? Seriously. Would it be the end of the world if we just agreed that sometimes (often) he says things that aren't true, correct the record, and then move on with our lives?

I've agreed to that numerous times. No me dragging this out to over 370 about how evil Trump is for a casual remark.

 

[Nalu]

LOL, is was a flippin' throw out comment, give it a rest.

It isn't the first time he said it. He was already universally corrected because he was wrong. It really doesn't matter that Trump doesn't know how to buy milk and bread. Paris Hilton thought Wal-Mart is a store that sells walls. You know why Paris Hilton is smarter than Donald Trump? Because after someone told her what Wal-Mart is she absorbed her newfound knowledge and didn't make the same mistake again.

 

[roguenuke]

LOL, is was a flippin' throw out comment, give it a rest.

Yet you yourself was just trying to pass off BS about needing an ID for things completely unrelated to groceries, and now you want to "give it a rest"?

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[Nalu]

It's called not getting bogged down on the inane......everyone and their brother knows you don't need ID to buy Groceries, TRUMP KNOWS THAT.

He said it, to get the MESSAGE ACROSS about VOTER ID.......and guess what, you are talking about IDs to buy ****ing celery for **** sake, you get bogged down on the actual words used instead of the message, that it's ****ing insane.

Please read post 373. I'm not bogged down in anything. Trump is a rich imbecile. There are two issues that matter more. 1.) Trump is incapable of admitting a mistake and even worse, he repeats most of his mistakes over and over again as if repetition of a falsehood can make it true. That's demented and delusional. I bet we've all known people like that. The problem in this case is that he is the president of the US, which is in fact troubling and dangerous, not simply overreaction by his opponents. 2.) Rather than say something similar to what you just said, Trump supporters all over the country are slobbering a bunch of nonsense about checks and credit cards and cigarettes and alcohol as if that's what Trump meant all along. That fact is troubling, dangerous, and simply bizarre, not just overreaction by people who challenge those supporters to revisit the real world as soon as possible.

Lastly, I have been told by at least 3 different people now to ignore what the president of the United States says and instead focus on the "message" that his supporters and lackeys roll out a day after every time he embarrasses himself like an Alzheimer's patient having a tantrum over his early bird dinner. You and I apparently differ in the sense that I believe that an American president should be able to articulate his own message, not have it presented and cleared up by people who can actually form sentences.