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Fact check: Trump says again that Americans need ID to buy groceries. They still don't

SLC said:
Groceries by definition are things you buy at a grocery store. There are lots of things sold in grocery stores that require an ID
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Again this is not true. I could go down to my local grocery and buy every single item in there (including alcohol and tobacco) use my debit card to pay and walk out while my ID is laying here at home.
 
Felis Leo said:
Would you object if the Federal government were to provide photographic identifications free of charge to all citizens, Deuce?
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But that's asking - in a different reality with different facts, would you support this plan?

For the record, yes, that would be fine. What would be better is having a federal voter registration, you get it at 18, and it follows you from state to state. No need to register when you move, just change addresses at the post office, or do it online, and you're removed in the old state, registered in the new. In the modern world this can happen with no action by the voter in a huge majority of cases.
 
ElChupacabra said:
His behavior indicates otherwise. If he didn't care about what others thought we'd likely have 80% less tweets than what we've seen over the past few years. He frequently lashes out at critics with ad hominem attacks; something that doesn't seem in line with someone who doesn't care what others think. He also touts polls which produce favorable numbers; again, something that doesn't line up with someone who doesn't care about public opinion.
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Disagree,

About the tweets, he found that as a direct way to get his message out there, and not have to deal with typical media. He lashed out at critics and others that attack him, I don't know, but I'm not sure he's every lashed out at a group or someone that hasn't attacked him first in some way or another, if someone has an example, please put it up, because I dont recall it.

Of course he touts polls with favorable numbers, thats part of the messaging that he is doing....

Everyone is so quick to write him off as a dullard, or stupid, they don't see the bigger picture. If he TRULY cared about what people thought, I mean, to the point that it bothers him to his core, he would stop with the hyperbole, he would stop with the nonsense etc, but he believes that stuff is working for him, and he's right. It's distracting the entire left.

It's pretty damn simple, people who are against him, are gonna be against him REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS. People who are for him, are gonna be for him, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, those that aren't sure....he's counting on those people to not be distracted, to read between the lines and get the message, it worked in 2016, it could work in 2020.
 
sjmay said:
Wait,

WTF, did you just say there is no law that requires a store to card customers when buying alcohol??
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The law is that they may not sell to underaged people. They are not required to card people who are obviously of age.

If the store made it a policy to card everyone, that is their own policy designed to avoid arguments with customers, not obey any law.
 
SLC said:
Unless you use cash an ID has been shown at some step of the process. I said TRY not what you generally do.
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You need a passport to travel out of the country! And I buy groceries with my mother in law's credit card weekly at least, her name is Dorothy, I'm clearly a male, I've never had a problem...

It's not relevant to voting. What's just a fact is if 600,000 in Texas didn't have ID suitable for voting, they did not need such an ID to live their lives as they live it. No, they could not travel to France, or buy a gun, or drive a car, or cash a check, which means those without ID didn't do those things.
 
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SkyFox76 said:
Again this is not true. I could go down to my local grocery and buy every single item in there (including alcohol and tobacco) use my debit card to pay and walk out while my ID is laying here at home.
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you are to old to be carded but many people aren’t an a ID was used to get a DC and pin verifies you are authorized to use it
 
JMR said:
The law is that they may not sell to underaged people. They are not required to card people who are obviously of age.

If the store made it a policy to card everyone, that is their own policy designed to avoid arguments with customers, not obey any law.
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Interesting splitting of hairs there...but ok.
 
Best thread ever for watching Trump supporters do everything they can to spin a stupid comment by Trump.

They really are his political side chicks.

Hahaha
 
SLC said:
Then how do we know the person that registered is the same person who is casting the vote.
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Goodness... Every thread on photo ID laws is the same discussion. Yes, show an "ID" but the problem that the courts identify and that voting rights people identify is in strict photo ID states, the IDs that lots of poor people who live in cities and do not drive HAVE is not on the short list of approved IDs. So it's not that these people do not have AN ID, but that the lists exclude what they DO HAVE.

Here in TN we could show DL, SS card, voter registration card, school ID, even a W-2 or other ID unique to the individual, and there were AFAIK zero cases of impersonation fraud at the polls. So to solve a problem that didn't exist, we instituted strict photo ID that for most means a DL or equivalent, or passport. Just for example, my mother in law does not drive, and TN didn't accept AL DL for ID. So if she didn't have a passport, she'd have been unable to vote unless she got a 'free' ID downtown. But that's crazy, because she had a SS card, Medicare card, current AL DL, and we could prove address with utility bills. We'd have probably obtained the ID but it's one step for something she just does not need at this point in her life, for anything except voting.
 
sjmay said:
Wait,

WTF, did you just say there is no law that requires a store to card customers when buying alcohol??
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That is a fact.

I have not been IDd for alcohol in decades other than Alaska...
 
GDViking said:
That is a fact.

I have not been IDd for alcohol in decades other than Alaska...
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Yea, he explained it, I had read it wrong when I responded....
 
GDViking said:
That is a fact.

I have not been IDd for alcohol in decades other than Alaska...
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That's true. Depends on the stores. Of course at Walmart they card you and it's a pain in the ass.
 
Our president says stupid stuff like this, can't get a loan at a US bank and says he's the greatest at everything.

Do the Trump voters, honest-to-God, not know what those things mean?
 
SLC said:
How do they prevent someone voting for a mentally incompetent relative? In Texas we have a couple of weeks of early voting where you can drop by a polling place and vote in usually less than ten minutes.
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They cannot, but the strict photo ID states don't care about that because there is no data showing Democrats cast more absentee ballots than Republicans - the opposite is true from what I've read. That's why you need a photo ID to vote in person, but not by mail. Seems odd when nearly ALL the "voter" fraud is absentee ballots. Fraud at the polls is almost unheard of because if someone wants to vote illegally, much easier to do by mail, so they do. Remember NC - that House race they had to redo? It's a strict photo Id state but the voter fraud was absentee ballots, which is where nearly ALL voter fraud takes place.
 
GDViking said:
Yip I'll throw the bull**** flag on that!!!

No one needs an id for a snap card, just as you don't need one for your debit card.

Your pin number is all you need...
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A friend of mine has a daughter addicted to drugs. She transferred her SNAP card to her dealer for drugs. Before anyone jumps in - that's illegal, etc. yes it is, and she lost her kids, and no longer gets SNAP, etc.
 
sjmay said:
This thread is EXACTLY why the 2020 election is in question, so many people are just dismissing the message because of the messenger, that they are deluding themselves into believing everything.

It's flat out amazing how many of you are so narrow-minded and small thinkers, to not even contemplate that Trump said what he said on purpose, to put the message forth and get people talking.

Dismiss him as a liar, as stupid, as this, as that, and watch what happens again, and you will be dumbfounded, just as before.

I have no idea if he will win again, but I wouldn't be shocked like some of you people here if he does.

It's amazing, he did it in 2016 to everyone, and everyone still hasn't learned how he did and how to react to it.
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Trump knows by now what he's saying is wrong. IMO the president when speaking on matters that are actually very important like voter ID has an obligation to be truthful, not to spread dishonest right wing talking points. He's not president of red states or the republicans but of the country and if he wants to weigh in on voter ID and voting, it's really NOT too much to ask that he not tell lies while doing it.

What I find disheartening is we no longer even expect the president of the United States to be even not intentionally dishonest. Let's put it this way - your discussion on this issue is FAR more honest than Trump's. Why not hold him to the bar you require for yourself, versus lower it right into the dirt and blame the rest of us for giving a damn that the President lies nearly every time he gives a public address.
 
sjmay said:
About the tweets, he found that as a direct way to get his message out there, and not have to deal with typical media. He lashed out at critics and others that attack him, I don't know, but I'm not sure he's every lashed out at a group or someone that hasn't attacked him first in some way or another, if someone has an example, please put it up, because I dont recall it.
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I don't fault him for using Twitter, it's just the inanity that he posts that's in question. His constant use of insulting monikers is something an adult in that kind of position shouldn't be using (i.e. Crazy Bernie, Pocahontas, Crooked Hillary etc.). Well just recently he claimed that the Kurds, who we've supported in the fight against ISIS, are somehow not deserving of support because they didn't fight alongside the US during the battle of Normandy in WW2.



Of course he touts polls with favorable numbers, thats part of the messaging that he is doing....

Everyone is so quick to write him off as a dullard, or stupid, they don't see the bigger picture. If he TRULY cared about what people thought, I mean, to the point that it bothers him to his core, he would stop with the hyperbole, he would stop with the nonsense etc, but he believes that stuff is working for him, and he's right. It's distracting the entire left.
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I honestly don't think he can help himself. He's always acted this way, so in that regard nothing's changed. The problem is he's not just distracting the entire left, he'd distracting everyone at some capacity. Whether it's foreign or domestic policy, the chaos he tends to create affects more than just one group. He's been a divisive character his entire career, the difference now is he's not limited to being the butt of jokes at the business level.

It's pretty damn simple, people who are against him, are gonna be against him REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS. People who are for him, are gonna be for him, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, those that aren't sure....he's counting on those people to not be distracted, to read between the lines and get the message, it worked in 2016, it could work in 2020.
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Yeah, the die hards on either side will feel that way but its the people who aren't tied to him (or against him) that are the target audience. Those folks made the difference in 2016, and I don't know if they're going to think Trump is still a better option after the sideshow he's brought to the political process.
 
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