EU energy official assures commitment to Iran nuclear deal

[TU Curmudgeon]

Putin has tried to undermine your democracies also. He is most certainly your enemy.

What "also"?

Everyone knows that the Russians weren't in the least bit involved in any efforts to undermine democracy in the United States of America.

Has a single case been brought forward that the Russians actually changed any American voter's vote after they cast their ballot? There has NOT and that proves that no one even remotely associated with Mr. Trump did anything in the least bit improper.

The above post is a Standardization Test designed for the AKME Mk 3 Sarcasm Detector. If your sarcasm detector did not read "HOLY SMOKES MAXIMUM PLUS" then it is time to trade it in for a brand new AKME Mk 3 Sarcasm Detector.

 

[apdst]

You are confusing Iran with Saudi Arabia and/or Pakistan.

No sir, I'm not.

 

[apdst]

Taking the position that the party that breaches a contract is not responsible for the consequences of breaching the contract is one of the main lessons that you will learn when you memorize "The Art of the Deal".

There was no contract between The United States and Iran.

 

[apdst]

We are not holding up our end of the bargain and that is violating the treaty. Our allies and Iran are seen as much more trustworthy nations because of it. Going rogue is a dangerous move as it effects all our bargaining not just with Iran. We have alienated our allies for no good reason.

There is no bargain, because The United States never signed a treaty with Iran.

You can thank Obama, because didn't try to make a real treaty.

 

[Renae]

regardless of size of trade we are fed up with your bullying if it's not about steel and aluminium , it's about nordstream2 and now Iran ... the EU does not dance to your tune if you hit us with sanctions we will hit you back we have had enough and the fact the US pressurised the EU to impose sanctions on Russia can see us soon lift those sanctions, we have more ways to hurt the US economy than you can hurt us, the EU is not Venezuela, or Iran we are a $17 trillion economy, we can hurt the US by ditching all Dollar payments, we have already done it with Iran and we can do it with everyone else and if you continue to push us their is no future for NATO

Oh darn. An aggressive Russia, and Iran, and you want us to skeedaddle? That will last till they start marching then we gotta go bail ya'll out. Again.

 

[Renae]

We are not holding up our end of the bargain and that is violating the treaty. Our allies and Iran are seen as much more trustworthy nations because of it. Going rogue is a dangerous move as it effects all our bargaining not just with Iran. We have alienated our allies for no good reason.

Ya know, if Obama gone through congress, had it signed as a TREATY the right way, Trump couldn't do this. Blame Obama.

 

[iguanaman]

Ya know, if Obama gone through congress, had it signed as a TREATY the right way, Trump couldn't do this. Blame Obama.

LOL Oh yea that was an option. Obama could n't get Congress to do anything he wanted even if they used to support it.

 

[iguanaman]

There is no bargain, because The United States never signed a treaty with Iran.

You can thank Obama, because didn't try to make a real treaty.

I do thank him for actually making a deal that stopped their program without another war. It not his fault that Trump is an incompetent jerk who doesn't give a hoot about our longtime allies because they won't pay him off. His time will come and we will get back into the agreement. Just you wait.

 

[iguanaman]

What "also"?

Everyone knows that the Russians weren't in the least bit involved in any efforts to undermine democracy in the United States of America.

Has a single case been brought forward that the Russians actually changed any American voter's vote after they cast their ballot? There has NOT and that proves that no one even remotely associated with Mr. Trump did anything in the least bit improper.

The above post is a Standardization Test designed for the AKME Mk 3 Sarcasm Detector. If your sarcasm detector did not read "HOLY SMOKES MAXIMUM PLUS" then it is time to trade it in for a brand new AKME Mk 3 Sarcasm Detector.

LOL Changing minds is changing votes, Einstein. The Russian hacked DNC and Podesta tapes changed minds and you know it and that wasn't all Putin had. Trump paid the Russian for the help with promises of favors and even got to time the release of the emails. That's cheating and illegal. He's a crook and you were duped. Let the indictments continue.

 

[PeteEU]

Crimea.

Crimea was about Sevastapol and that goes back 400+ years. Had US backed Ukrainian Neo Nazi nationalist not threatened to go back on Ukraine 's deal with Russia, then Putin never would have taken Crimea.

Sendt fra min SM-N9005 med Tapatalk

 

[Renae]

LOL Oh yea that was an option. Obama could n't get Congress to do anything he wanted even if they used to support it.

Uhm, that's how the system is supposed to work, to prevent one person from calling the shots. Obama couldn't get anything done, well that isn't an excuse to do the **** he did. His entire legacy is unraveling before our eyes because he chose to not do things the right and proper way.

 

[Godric1970]

Oh darn. An aggressive Russia, and Iran, and you want us to skeedaddle? That will last till they start marching then we gotta go bail ya'll out. Again.

after Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, US interference in Ukraine, Syria, Yemen and you call Russia aggressive .... nurse

So you think we are at war with all democracies as Putin has stated? Too funny. I should have known you were a Putin troll.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/02/22/how-putin-meddles-in-western-democracies

I'm a troll for pointing out the fact the US has been interfering in our elections for decades one prime example was our indyref in 2014 .. you won't save the UK 2nd time round ... you are quoting a US based media outlet .... get a grip not content on interfering in our democracies you have been doing large scale spying on us and our governments as well as uploading malware to our energy grids ... we know all this thanks to Snowden ... with allies like America who needs enemies

Oh, well that's a relief. All Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade...and every country it believes it has a right to invade. I'm happy we cleared that up.

Ukraine and Crimea is America's and Nato's fault you made a agreement with the former soviet union that NATO would not recruit from the former Warsaw pact countries .... Ukraine was the red line when you invested billions to topple Viktor Yanukovych ... and the fact America used Neo Nazis to topple the government goes to show when it comes to morals the US have none ... when we Scots after WW2 said never again we meant it ... obviously the US uttered the words "until it suits our agenda" under your breathes

 

[zimmer]

From United Press International

EU energy official assures commitment to Iran nuclear deal
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May 19 (UPI) -- The European Union's energy commissioner said Saturday the EU will stay committed the Iran nuclear deal as long as it complies.


The 2015 deal -- called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action -- was agreed upon by the United States, which recently pulled out of the deal, China, Russia, Germany, France, Britain and the European Union. It lifts Iranian sanctions in exchange for Tehran curbing its nuclear program.


"We have sent a message to our Iranian friends that as long as they are sticking to the agreement the Europeans will...fulfill their commitment," European Energy Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete said Saturday in a Radio Free Europe report.


The European Union was once the largest buyer of Iranian oil.

COMMENT:-

Given that the EU is actually a bigger market than the US, the Iranians have quite an incentive to stick with "The Deal" REGARDLESS of what Mr. Trump does. Not only that, but if the EU decides to ignore American sanctions - or even worse has them ruled illegal - then the US government is going to be in a really dicey position as far as international relations (to say nothing whatsoever about "trade" and/or "compensatory seizures/freezes") are concerned.

Remember, all US government expenditures are paid for in the form of "negotiable debt instruments" and those "negotiable debt instruments" rely on the fact that there is a "financial institution" which not only holds funds sufficient to redeem those "negotiable debt instruments" but can actually release those funds in order to redeem them.

The United States of America is not the only country in the world that has the legal ability to "lock up" funds/assets that belong to another country's nationals/government for decades. Think of it as sort of being like refusing to pay for the carpeting you contracted to have installed in your golf resort's hotel because it "felt funny" - even though it was exactly the same carpet that you had personally selected and approved.​

The Europeans have been on the wrong side of history for decades.

Just another bad decision by the Europeans.

 

[Godric1970]

The Europeans have been on the wrong side of history for decades.

Just another bad decision by the Europeans.

we don't answer to america .... you are on the wrong side of history ... you are isolating yourselves even from your so called allies

 

[MTAtech]

You have backed into understanding the wisdom of Trump making Europe get more involved with Iran. We can't be the nation's police force when there is a whole western continent of police forces close at hand. The Europeans are Iran's neighbors in a sense and have the most to lose.

Since Iran has such a hate-on for America, maybe we should back off a bit.

Declaring that there was "wisdom" in Trump violating the Iran deal is quite laughable. There is no indication Trump even knows what's in the deal nor weighed the ramifications of ending it. Trump used a pretext of Iran not complying, which even his own CIA Director said was false.

Let's face it, Trump is governed by impulse and the impulse to negate everything Obama created is Trump's only motivation.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

No sir, I'm not.

In that case then the only other option is that you aren't actually paying attention.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There was no contract between The United States and Iran.

The United States of America was a party to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action - just because it was not called a "contract" does not mean that it wasn't one.

Equally, just because what someone does is not called "conspiring" that does not mean that it isn't.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

LOL Changing minds is changing votes, Einstein.

I know that, and you know that - but the people who want to deny it stick strictly to the mantra "The Russians didn't change any votes after the ballots were marked so they didn't interfere with the electoral results.".

The Russian hacked DNC and Podesta tapes changed minds and you know it and that wasn't all Putin had.

What a reasonable person would conclude and what Mr. Trump's most ardent supporters deny are the same thing.

Trump paid the Russian for the help with promises of favors and even got to time the release of the emails.

Now that hasn't yet been established - if it ever will be. However, I rather suspect that Mr. Trump was NOT DIRECTLY involved and I base that suspicion on the fact that the Russians are not such complete idiots that they would have allowed Mr. Trump - personally - to get within a страна верста́ of any "conspiracy/collusion/plot".

That's cheating and illegal.

Probably (assuming that it is established) for the first, and possibly (same caveat) for the second.

He's a crook and you were duped.

Agreed for the first (using the term "crook" loosely) but I (personally) was never under the impression that he would make a good (let alone an even marginally acceptable) President. Of course I felt much the same way about Ms. Clinton - so that might have confused you into thinking that I supported Mr. Trump.

Let the indictments continue.

I completely agree.

In fact, this looks like a very good time for a judicial determination on whether the President of the United States of America is not subject to the criminal law of the United States of America - it already having been determined that they ARE subject to the civil law of the United States of America.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Europeans have been on the wrong side of history for decades.

Just another bad decision by the Europeans.

I know, those nasty foreigners simply shouldn't have rebuilt their infrastructure to the point where they were able to compete with the American infrastructure which received such a boost out of the fact that its profits from WWI and WWII rendered the destroyed European industrial base (essentially) non-competitive on a global scale for decades.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

we don't answer to america .... you are on the wrong side of history ... you are isolating yourselves even from your so called allies

Hey - everyone gets their chance to be "on the wrong side of history". Let's be fair now.

 

[apdst]

The United States of America was a party to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action - just because it was not called a "contract" does not mean that it wasn't one.

Equally, just because what someone does is not called "conspiring" that does not mean that it isn't.

There was no agreement between The United States and Iran. Period.

 

[iguanaman]

Uhm, that's how the system is supposed to work, to prevent one person from calling the shots. Obama couldn't get anything done, well that isn't an excuse to do the **** he did. His entire legacy is unraveling before our eyes because he chose to not do things the right and proper way.

Yea the "system" IS supposed to work. Tell that to "make him a one term President" McConnell. Regardless Obama's legacy is intact, it is Trump's legacy that you should fear because he is about to take down that Republican party and I don't think they can recover in our lifetimes.

 

[Renae]

Yea the "system" IS supposed to work. Tell that to "make him a one term President" McConnell. Regardless Obama's legacy is intact, it is Trump's legacy that you should fear because he is about to take down that Republican party and I don't think they can recover in our lifetimes.

Its intact? How?
His Middle East approach?
Higher Taxes?
Paris Accords?
Iran Deal?
Hell even Obamacare is falling apart.

Which part of Obama's legacy hasn't been undone?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There was no agreement between The United States and Iran. Period.

Not any more there isn't.

And, of course, that so-called "American signature" on the JCPA never existed.

On the other hand, you could (technically) be correct because - since more nations than the US and Iran "signed on to" the JCPA there was no agreement that was SOLELY between the US and Iran.

 

[Hatuey]

EU companies do about $20 billion with Iran and $600 billion with America. They will decide,not some politician who they prefer to do business with.

One area he is correct. Europe IS big. Why do we need to spend many billions a year on NATO. They have a much bigger economy than Russia afterall.

By backing the deal with Iran, Europe is making sure it has access to China's OBOR Initiative. Not backing the deal now, would mean effectively missing out on the trillions of dollars that will circulate through Europe if they are on good terms with Iran.

Europe is looking at the future, we're looking at the yellow scare.