Elizabeth Warren releases DNA testing: she has Native American background

[Taylor]

i actually want to take one of those DNA tests.
I want to see how far back my ancestry goes.
I know quiet a bit about it already but i want to see how much of it is true.

DNA ancestry is different than genealogical ancestry, so what you know might be true, but not show up because you only inherent a subset of DNA from your ancestors.

It can also vary wildly depending on who analyzes the results (ancestry, 23andme, familytree) and what reference populations they use. You can then upload to a place like Gedmatch.com, which has literally dozens of models you can use to examine your heritage. Again, they can vary quite a bit. There are several there that show I have Native American ancestry, others that show I have Southeast Asian ancestry, most do not show either.

The fact that she has found one model that predicts a distant Native American ancestor is not all that illuminating.

 

[Cisero]

Do we think that is enough to get affirmative action benefits? As she did?

Do we have any proof her hire at Pennsylvania / Harvard was impacted by the fact she claimed american indian heritage ?
I couldn't find any proof online.

Politifact say :

Her detractors say she deployed a faux Native American connection to improve her chances of landing teaching jobs at two of the country’s top law schools. However, there is no proof Warren gained any special advantage in her career.

 

[haymarket]

which is a lie. When you want to use native american as a background you are insisting that you are enough of a native american to qualify
for that status which means you have enough indian blood to qualify for a tribe.

most tribes will accept you if you have 1/16th to qualify for anything educational it is 1/4.

having a trace of indian blood 6-10 generations ago is not enough and is putting out a false narrative.

Baloney and irrelevant. I know of no claim by Warren that she belongs to any tribe and is entitled to benefits as a member of that tribe.

 

[haymarket]

Not quite. If anything, Warren is hoist by her own petard. Or pole, as you say.

Warren was correct and has been proven right that she has American Indian ancestors.

That makes Trump and his right wing echo chamber full of reeking crap - as usual.

 

[haymarket]

This result with its well-crafted and positively-spun narrative makes Warren look more lucky than honest.

What it makes her is correct and right regarding her previous statements about her family history.

 

[ataraxia]

Based on what ?
1/64 if 6th generation.
1/512 if 9th generation.
1/1024 if 10th generation.

If you take 8th generation (which is between 6th and 10th generation, the numbers given by the Stanford professor) then it would be 1/256.

So it's anywhere between 1.5625% and 0.09765625%.

Whatever the number, the fact is she isn't as american indian as she wanted people to believe.

She never specified a number or a fraction. This is all she said to start:

”"I am very proud of my heritage," she said. "These are my family stories. This is what my brothers and I were told by my mom and my dad, my mamaw and my papaw. This is our lives. And I'm very proud of it."

The end. That’s all she said. And that’s all that Trump was basing his attacks on. So now that he has been proven wrong, you want to argue math fractions?

 

[MrMike]

You realize she claimed "minority status" right relating to getting a job, etc.? So the DNA test was a double-edged sword and let me explain why (if you can comprehend reality).

The test ranges showed she was up to 1/512 NA. So, under those standards based on Warren's actions to claim minority status, we can all claim and get minority status. Based on that weak standard she uses to claim Minority status, I'm NA and Black lol

So... in reality, this test sort of outed Warren's deception in her claim of official minority status and she (and her loyalists) are too dumb to realize it... :lamo

 

[akyron]

Do we have any proof her hire at Pennsylvania / Harvard was impacted by the fact she claimed american indian heritage ?
I couldn't find any proof online.

Politifact say :

She was held up as the only native american professor on staff... The effort was to virtue signal that the university was diverse in its professorship...

This would be a yes.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

"There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired."

She didn't say she was american indian, but she officially notified the university where she was working at that she had american indian origins.
Afterwards, the universities claimed she was one of the "minority" teachers of the establishment.

To me, it sure seems like she exploited her 1.5% american indian origins at the workplace. Why else would she officially inform her higher-ups, if there wasn't anything to gain from this ?

I agree she never said "I'm 100% american indian". But still, you have to admit that "I have a native American background" and "I'm between 0.2% and 1.5% american indian" are not the same thing, well at least they don't carry the same message.

She kept the truth a little mysterious and vague in order to reap the benefits.

If she said this AFTER she was hired and there is no evidence she got any advantage, what's the big deal here? She was mistaken about her family heritage. How many of us take DNA tests to verify what we've been told about our family tree?

Her detractors say she deployed a faux Native American connection to improve her chances of landing teaching jobs at two of the country’s top law schools. However, there is no proof Warren gained any special advantage in her career.

Republicans can't support a pathological liar and then try and make a big deal about minor issues like this.

I'm not buying it. Hold Trump accountable for his real lies before you attack anyone over inconsequential errors.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

She was held up as the only native american professor on staff... The effort was to virtue signal that the university was diverse in its professorship...

This would be a yes.

The answer is no. She notified them AFTER. And in the politifact article it shows there is no evidence it impacted her career.

Are you planning to hold Trump accountable for his mountain of monumental verifiable lies?

 

[Cisero]

She was held up as the only native american professor on staff... The effort was to virtue signal that the university was diverse in its professorship...

This would be a yes.

I mean, it's an "advantage" for the school that hired her. We don't know, though, if such heritage played a huge role or was merely a bonus the school wanted to capitalize on.
Maybe she was hired because she had the best resumé and profile ?

 

[Ikari]

She was held up as the only native american professor on staff... The effort was to virtue signal that the university was diverse in its professorship...

This would be a yes.

So not proof. I though your side was against unfounded allegations and supposition? Or is it only invalid if it deals with Trump and Russia, but if it's against a Democrat it's OK?

Everything stated at this point says that her career never advanced due to her claims of native american ancestry.

 

[marke]

I just heard this on TV, but have not yet been able to find it online. Elizabeth Warren has taken a DNA test, and it shows that she has native American background.

President Trump has slammed her claims to such background as self-serving lies to try to advance her career as a minority. His nickname for her has been “Pocahontas”, and he has challenged her to take a DNA test to prove it.

So she did.

Of course, facts and test results have never been anything to impress Trump or his base very much. If they have dismissed the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet on global warming, and the unanimous claims of every single one of their own appointed intelligence agencies on Russian interference, what’s a flimsy little DNA test from Elizabeth Warren?

But what’s more interesting about this is what it says about her intentions: it definitely sounds like she is gearing up for a run in 2020. Surely she didn’t do this to just keep running for senator from Massachusetts.

Interesting.

She did not base her earlier claims on results of DNA testing. She based her earlier claims on seeking to gain unfair advantage over others to promote herself at the expense of others. If Obama finally came up with what he passed off as a birth certificate I am not surprised Pocohontas has come up with help to hide her past narcissism as well.

 

[akyron]

The answer is no. She notified them AFTER. And in the politifact article it shows there is no evidence it impacted her career.

Are you planning to hold Trump accountable for his mountain of monumental verifiable lies?

After what? The university was upfront in their desire to virtue signal... By her standards we are nearly all native american.

 

[akyron]

So not proof. I though your side was against unfounded allegations and supposition? Or is it only invalid if it deals with Trump and Russia, but if it's against a Democrat it's OK?

Everything stated at this point says that her career never advanced due to her claims of native american ancestry.

Except that the university went out of their way to hold her up as a native american....

Seems to be more on them than her.

 

[Ikari]

Except that the university went out of their way to hold her up as a native american....

Seems to be more on them than her.

Perhaps it is on the University, after she was hired. But it's not proof her career advanced because she used her native american ancestry to advance it.

 

[akyron]

Perhaps it is on the University, after she was hired. But it's not proof her career advanced because she used her native american ancestry to advance it.

So you think she would have been held up as the only native american on staff without checking that box?

Odd.

 

[MrMike]

I mean, it's an "advantage" for the school that hired her. We don't know, though, if such heritage played a huge role or was merely a bonus the school wanted to capitalize on.
Maybe she was hired because she had the best resumé and profile ?

Based on that standard Warren uses (1/512) to claim minority status as a Native American, all of us can claim to be "Black, NA or whatever we want" as deep trace DNA studies will show we are all generally a mixed race.

So, thanks to the LizzieFauxcohantas standard, you can pick your flavor of race on the next Affirmative Action form folks! :coffeepap

And the poor Libs and MSM in their eagerness to run with this don't realize they've officially just outed Warren's deception on claiming "minority status". :lamo

 

[Mason66]

From the Boston Globe:

Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.

“The tribes have felt they have been exploited,” explained Lawrence Brody, a senior investigator with the Medical Genomics and Metabolic Genetics Branch at the National Institutes of Health. “The amount of genetic data that is available from Native Americans is sparse.”

To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Straight about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south. His report explained that the use of reference populations whose genetic material has been fully sequenced was designed “for maximal accuracy.” https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...rican-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

This is a very strong indication to me that Warren is running. As the Globe observes, this may diffuse the Fauxcahontas stuff the way former President Obama's producing his birth certificate diffused the "birther" stuff.

This post by nota bene seems to have gone unnoticed, so I quoted it here.

People, please read this where it says there is very little N/A DNA in the system that Warren's DNA was compared against and they used DNA from other areas to come to their conclusion.

This little fact is being jumped over to prove she was correct in her assertions.

She apparently was not.

 

[PleasantValley]

I just heard this on TV, but have not yet been able to find it online. Elizabeth Warren has taken a DNA test, and it shows that she has native American background.

President Trump has slammed her claims to such background as self-serving lies to try to advance her career as a minority. His nickname for her has been “Pocahontas”, and he has challenged her to take a DNA test to prove it.

So she did.

Of course, facts and test results have never been anything to impress Trump or his base very much. If they have dismissed the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet on global warming, and the unanimous claims of every single one of their own appointed intelligence agencies on Russian interference, what’s a flimsy little DNA test from Elizabeth Warren?

But what’s more interesting about this is what it says about her intentions: it definitely sounds like she is gearing up for a run in 2020. Surely she didn’t do this to just keep running for senator from Massachusetts.

Interesting.

I think you may be right.
As long as her DNA test is legit, it should put to rest all of the issues.
I never understood why she dug in her heels about doing it before?

 

[Acadia]

Warren was correct and has been proven right that she has American Indian ancestors.

That makes Trump and his right wing echo chamber full of reeking crap - as usual.

She's not a person of color. She gamed the system to her advantage.

 

[PleasantValley]

Article from the Washington Post.

Excerpt :



In my opinion, claiming you're native american because somebody in your family 120 years ago (at least) was, is pretty deceiving. The only reason she said such a thing was to score brownie points with some people on the left and claim she is a minority.
My great-grand father was 100% italian. I don't at all claim to be italian, that would be deceptive.

But yeah, she's 1.5% percent native american. Cool I guess ?

...but didn't she keep insisting her mother or father was native American?
That sure as heck is not 1.5%

I have a higher % of native American than that at 2.3%

 

[marke]

DNA ancestry is different than genealogical ancestry, so what you know might be true, but not show up because you only inherent a subset of DNA from your ancestors.

It can also vary wildly depending on who analyzes the results (ancestry, 23andme, familytree) and what reference populations they use. You can then upload to a place like Gedmatch.com, which has literally dozens of models you can use to examine your heritage. Again, they can vary quite a bit. There are several there that show I have Native American ancestry, others that show I have Southeast Asian ancestry, most do not show either.

The fact that she has found one model that predicts a distant Native American ancestor is not all that illuminating.

Probably 80% or more Americans with family trees dating back a hundred or more years in America will also be found to have some native American blood as well. Pocohontas knew how to stretch the American Indian label far enough for her to take advantage of it.

 

[Acadia]

She never specified a number or a fraction. This is all she said to start:



The end. That’s all she said. And that’s all that Trump was basing his attacks on. So now that he has been proven wrong, you want to argue math fractions?

mamaw and papaw were regaling them of their ancestors 4-8 generations removed? Again, Warren is an intelligent woman. She realized she was taking advantage.

To many, this will not absolve her taking advantage of Native Americans.

 

[Ikari]

So you think she would have been held up as the only native american on staff without checking that box?

Odd.

You think the University would have waited to tout her as a faculty Native American. Harvard Law School touted her as a native american when Warren was a professor at Cambridge.

Odd.

So in the end, again, you have no actual proof she advanced her career because of her heritage.