Elderly Will Be Denied Intensive Care as Coronavirus Overwhelms Italy's National Health System, Expe

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Health officials in Italy have issued guidelines for rationing care as hospitals there struggle to keep up with the surge of patients infected with the coronavirus. Doctors are being told that they'll likely need to deny care to senior citizens and those with other health conditions as the virus explodes across the nation.

Elderly Will Be Denied Intensive Care as Coronavirus Overwhelms Italy's National Health System, Experts Warn | Culture

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.

This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

 

[Drawdown]

Unfortunate but the rigt decision. Italy is Europe's Boca Raton. The average age is like dirt+10 years

 

[Irredentist]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.

This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

These are basic triage measures. When you have limited resources available, you must give priority to the patients who are most likely to survive. No other approach makes sense. It has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare being a right or not.

 

[SCrider]

Yes, celebrating people dying to make a political point that does not apply here anyway. Way to go Trumptard.....

 

[JANFU]

These are basic triage measures. When you have limited resources available, you must give priority to the patients who are most likely to survive. No other approach makes sense. It has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare being a right or not.

I know, anything but look at the US system.

They subscribe to the DICK mantra-

Disaster In Chief Knows all

 

[Mach]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.
This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

That demonstrates that health care capacity is finite. But we all knew that. At least, the non-morons did.
We all deserve to get healthcare in the United States, including life-saving healthcare. And just like in a war where resources are limited and injuries skyrocket, if we mismanage the virus and too many get too sick, fast...we could also get into a triage situation due to the virus. Just like Italy. Even though we have access to healthcare, systems get in fact get overloaded in every country, in every nation, in every imaginable immediate future.

Proving the virus is serious, not a hoax, that it is indeed better to slow the virus to spread out the load on the health care system, and that its not miraculously going away.

 

[JANFU]

That demonstrates that health care capacity is finite. But we all knew that. At least, the non-morons did.
We all deserve to get healthcare in the United States, including life-saving healthcare. And just like in a war where resources are limited and injuries skyrocket, if we mismanage the virus and too many get too sick, fast...we could also get into a triage situation due to the virus. Just like Italy. Even though we have access to healthcare, systems get in fact get overloaded in every country, in every nation, in every imaginable immediate future.

Proving the virus is serious, not a hoax, that it is indeed better to slow the virus to spread out the load on the health care system, and that its not miraculously going away.

US has approx 100 K ICU beds. Not like they are all empty, triage is a part of treating a contagion with resources maxed out or overloaded

 

[Taylor]

The death panel has spoken.

 

[HumblePi]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.

This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

Have you never heard of 'triage' ? And, you're wrong, health care is a right.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.

This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

The US has ~100,000 critical care beds with always a ~95% occupancy rate.

Doctors here will be facing the same horrible decisions as the doctors in Italy.

How is that wonderful GOP healthcare that Trump promised would be up and running by July 2019?

 

[jmotivator]

I know, anything but look at the US system.

They subscribe to the DICK mantra-

Disaster In Chief Knows all

The US has by far the most ICU beds per 1000 population. When you make it lucrative they get built in abundance, when you make it mandatory you get the bare minimum.

 

[JANFU]

The US has by far the most ICU beds per 1000 population. When you make it lucrative they get built in abundance, when you make it mandatory you get the bare minimum.

And that number would be?

 

[Barnacle]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.
This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

Germany, citing Italy's healthcare problem, has "decreed" today that starting Monday all hospitals must cancel/postpone indefinitely all non-life threatening operations and refrain from admitting new patients without life-threatening illnesses.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The US has by far the most ICU beds per 1000 population. When you make it lucrative they get built in abundance, when you make it mandatory you get the bare minimum.

If you can afford one. Italy has a well funded universal system and the demand has all but overwhelmed it. America is around 11 days behind their curve, and doing a lot less to prepare or mitigate the infection rate.

 

[gulfman]

Germany, citing Italy's healthcare problem, has "decreed" today that starting Monday all hospitals must cancel/postpone indefinitely all non-life threatening operations and refrain from admitting new patients without life-threatening illnesses.

May be time to put the Berlin Wall back up

 

[Integrityrespec]

Proving... healthcare is not a right, nor has it ever been one.

This for people who have paid into their system their whole life... to be denied.

Isn't this just similar to abortion, but at the other end of life's term?

 

[Taylor]

If you can afford one. Italy has a well funded universal system and the demand has all but overwhelmed it. America is around 11 days behind their curve, and doing a lot less to prepare or mitigate the infection rate.

And just a few days ago, there were leftwing posters here on DP assuring us that countries with universal healthcare and guaranteed sick leave would see no deaths. Unfortunately, reality has spoken and will only get louder.

 

[apdst]

That's part of socialized medicine's purpose: culling of the herd.

 

[jmotivator]

And that number would be?

I realized a typo, as with most per capita stats it is per 100k

And the number is 34.7

Germany is a fairly close second with 29.2, and they also have a robust private-sector health insurance market.

Italy is a distant third place with 12.5

 

[apdst]

I know, anything but look at the US system.

They subscribe to the DICK mantra-

Disaster In Chief Knows all

When Canada starts to collapse, we'll be there for you. Don't worry.

 

[Barnacle]

If you can afford one. Italy has a well funded universal system and the demand has all but overwhelmed it. America is around 11 days behind their curve, and doing a lot less to prepare or mitigate the infection rate.

Depends what you call well-funded in a country that is in debt up to its eyeballs. :lol:

 

[JANFU]

I realized a typo, as with most per capita stats it is per 100k

And the number is 34.7

Germany is a fairly close second with 29.2, and they also have a robust private-sector health insurance market.

Italy is a distant third place with 12.5

Thank you

 

[apdst]

That demonstrates that health care capacity is finite. But we all knew that. At least, the non-morons did.
We all deserve to get healthcare in the United States, including life-saving healthcare. And just like in a war where resources are limited and injuries skyrocket, if we mismanage the virus and too many get too sick, fast...we could also get into a triage situation due to the virus. Just like Italy. Even though we have access to healthcare, systems get in fact get overloaded in every country, in every nation, in every imaginable immediate future.

Proving the virus is serious, not a hoax, that it is indeed better to slow the virus to spread out the load on the health care system, and that its not miraculously going away.

Sounds like you're advocating throwing granny off the cliff.

 

[Mach]

US has approx 100 K ICU beds. Not like they are all empty, triage is a part of treating a contagion with resources maxed out or overloaded

Yes, that's what I wrote. It doesn't prove anything about "healthcare is not a right", like the absurd OP suggested.
It points out that healthcare has a maximum capacity, and in Italy's case, they reached in certain areas, causing a triage situation which is tragic on top of tragic.

All healthcare systems, whether socialized or private, have capacities that can be exceeded. His point is stupid, as usual.

 

[apdst]

Have you never heard of 'triage' ? And, you're wrong, health care is a right.

Yeah, these people have been paying high taxes toward a system that is going to say **** you when the going gets tough.