El Paso Police's OWN DATA Shows Trump is Absolutely Correct About Crime and the Wall There

[beefheart]

LOL, you're thicker than Trump's proposed concrete wall. There's no getting through to you.

The crime rate dropped in El Paso every year from 2002. There is no "until 2007."

The crime rate is:

2002: 364
2003: 344
2004: 319
2005: 287
2006: 286
2007: 280
2008: 279
2009: 262
2010: 249
2011: 233

(This is from your own link)

You're tring to make it seem like it suddenly dropped in 2007 after a wall. The numbers say differently.

And when you claimed it dropped "below the national average" you have to look at the national average AT THE TIME not today! To claim that El Paso has a lot of crime it had to have more crime than the national average AT THE TIME.

More of that hilarious GROK FAIL!!!!

 

[beefheart]

why have the fake news/lying left/lying left "fact fakers" been lying about this information???

Why did you lie when you said that Melania was the first FLOTUS to visit a war zone since 1969?

Because you are wrong, and you don't take the slightest amount of time to try to understand the simplest things.

 

[marke]

Because democrats have facts on their side. Walls work to prevent crimes of opportunity. Walls don't work to curb illegal immigration.

Sadly, democrats tend to manipulate facts and numbers or hide facts and numbers which contradict the democrat propagandist narrative. That should not be surprising given the fact of so many democrat's open stances against God and the ten commandments.

DHS accused of sitting on damning border report as immigration issue drives presidential race DHS accused of sitting on damning border report as immigration issue drives presidential race | Fox News

Obama officials have a long history of lying in order to hide truth which contradicts their propagated narrative. Once democrats started lying about illegal immigration under Obama there was no turning back, so we see them doubling up on their lies to support their false narratives under today's Trump administration. Do walls impede or stop human traffic across the border? Of course they do. Any third grader could see that.

 

[jdog21]

US Conference of Mayors defends El Paso mayor after Trump said he was 'full of crap' about barrier



:rofl

You're an idiot if you believe their wasn't a fence installed until 2008. EL Paso in the late 90's had a massive border fence along the entire city. Where is that in your news sources?

 

[jdog21]

LOL, you're thicker than Trump's proposed concrete wall. There's no getting through to you.

The crime rate dropped in El Paso every year from 2002. There is no "until 2007."

The crime rate is:

2002: 364
2003: 344
2004: 319
2005: 287
2006: 286
2007: 280
2008: 279
2009: 262
2010: 249
2011: 233

(This is from your own link)

You're tring to make it seem like it suddenly dropped in 2007 after a wall. The numbers say differently.

And when you claimed it dropped "below the national average" you have to look at the national average AT THE TIME not today! To claim that El Paso has a lot of crime it had to have more crime than the national average AT THE TIME.

Maybe that had something to do with the creation of ICE and DHS due to the threat of terrorists and the passport rule scare that happened too.

 

[marke]

Huh? The data doesn't support your statement. That's the bottom line. The wall didn't change crime rates in El Paso.

Is it possible that the kind of people desperately escaping poverty for jobs in the U.S. tend not to be murders and rapists? Maybe they're hardworking people willing to do the most difficult and menial jobs to support their families.

Trump could make an argument for better border security without lying. These people are generally not criminals. What's wrong with telling the truth?

Walls are designed to impede illegal border crossings on foot. They are not designed to lower crime rates in major cities, even if they do in some cities.

 

[Xelor]

LOL, you're thicker than Trump's proposed concrete wall. There's no getting through to you.

The crime rate dropped in El Paso every year from 2002. There is no "until 2007."

The crime rate is:

2002: 364
2003: 344
2004: 319
2005: 287
2006: 286
2007: 280
2008: 279
2009: 262
2010: 249
2011: 233

(This is from your own link)

You're tring to make it seem like it suddenly dropped in 2007 after a wall. The numbers say differently.

And when you claimed it dropped "below the national average" you have to look at the national average AT THE TIME not today! To claim that El Paso has a lot of crime it had to have more crime than the national average AT THE TIME.

Dude, you are trying to talk reason about a wall to an OP-er who, for all intents and purposes, has a reason-blocking wall surrounding his whole damn head.

 

[Master Debator]

Dude, you are trying to talk reason about a wall to an OP-er who, for all intents and purposes, has a reason-blocking wall surrounding his whole damn head.

Exactly. Much better to sit back and laugh at his attempts to form coherent thoughts.

 

[marke]

If conservatives really wanted to curb illegal immigration they would simply throw the employers in prison. Problem solved.

I hope you haven't been fooled into believing that conservatives really want to end illegal immigration. Surely, Trump pardoning an employer who hired hundreds of them should have clued you in.

Christians deal with trying to find ways to care for illegals who are not allowed to work in America legally. Millions of them. We cannot let these people and their children starve, but we recognoze we cannot keeo taking in more and more illegals to thrust them on the care of others. The flow must be stopped.

 

[Master Debator]

Christians deal with trying to find ways to care for illegals who are not allowed to work in America legally. Millions of them. We cannot let these people and their children starve, but we recognoze we cannot keeo taking in more and more illegals to thrust them on the care of others. The flow must be stopped.

If your Christian values lead you to supporting walls instead changes in the law that would allow these desperate people to work here legally then it's no wonder fewer and fewer people are identifying as Christian.

 

[Grokmaster]

LOL, you're thicker than Trump's proposed concrete wall. There's no getting through to you.

The crime rate dropped in El Paso every year from 2002. There is no "until 2007."

The crime rate is:

2002: 364
2003: 344
2004: 319
2005: 287
2006: 286
2007: 280
2008: 279
2009: 262
2010: 249
2011: 233

(This is from your own link)

You're tring to make it seem like it suddenly dropped in 2007 after a wall. The numbers say differently.

And when you claimed it dropped "below the national average" you have to look at the national average AT THE TIME not today! To claim that El Paso has a lot of crime it had to have more crime than the national average AT THE TIME.

The NATIONAL AVERAGE AT THE TIME was 280.5, as CLEARY STATED IN THE CHART.


2007 was the FIRST YEAR it fell below the national average, and by 2016 , it was 199.5 FAR BELOW the 364.4 it was BEFORE THE WALL...FAR BELOW the 286.5 it was the YEAR THE WALL WAS STARTED.


CRIME FELL AFTER THE WALL WAS BUILT, CONTRARY TO LEFT LIES...EDXACTLY AS THE PRESIDENT SAID.


Deal with it.

 

[Grokmaster]

Dude, you are trying to talk reason about a wall to an OP-er who, for all intents and purposes, has a reason-blocking wall surrounding his whole damn head.

Yeah..one who can READ A CHART, unlike you and yours.


And the chart CLEARLY SHOWS THAT CRIME IN EL PASO, DROPPED , A LOT , AFTER THE WALL WAS BUILT.


GOOD GRIEF.

 

[Grokmaster]

Exactly. Much better to sit back and laugh at his attempts to form coherent thoughts.

Much better to laugh at the astounding inability of the local left to READ A SIMPLE UNEDITED, UNALTERED FACTUAL REPORTING OF THE EMPIRICAL DATA.

 

[Grokmaster]

See the DP Left DESPERATELY TRYING TO DENY THE EMPIRICAL DATA.


DID CRIME DROP AFTER THE WALL IN EL PASO?


HELL ****ING YEAH.


But they are STILL TRYING TO LIE ABOUT IT.


Choke on it.

 

[Threegoofs]

The NATIONAL AVERAGE AT THE TIME was 280.5, as CLEARY STATED IN THE CHART.


2007 was the FIRST YEAR it fell below the national average, and by 2016 , it was 199.5 FAR BELOW the 364.4 it was BEFORE THE WALL...FAR BELOW the 286.5 it was the YEAR THE WALL WAS STARTED.


CRIME FELL AFTER THE WALL WAS BUILT, CONTRARY TO LEFT LIES...EDXACTLY AS THE PRESIDENT SAID.


Deal with it.

Didja look at the national average in 2016?

 

[Master Debator]

Much better to laugh at the astounding inability of the local left to READ A SIMPLE UNEDITED, UNALTERED FACTUAL REPORTING OF THE EMPIRICAL DATA.

Sure grok. There there...

 

[Grokmaster]

Sure grok. There there...

Don't worry...it's no big deal that simple mathematical comparison eludes you and yours. :lamo

There are schools for that....

And by now, having the BULL**** you and yours have been spreading at the behest of your spoonfeedings, exposed as completely FALSE, should be something you are quite accustomed to.

Tell us all again about how crime in El Paso DID NOT GO DOWN after the wall was built.... :2rofll:

 

[beefheart]

See the DP Left DESPERATELY TRYING TO DENY THE EMPIRICAL DATA.


DID CRIME DROP AFTER THE WALL IN EL PASO?


HELL ****ING YEAH.


But they are STILL TRYING TO LIE ABOUT IT.


Choke on it.

 

[Grokmaster]

El Paso:

Crime RATE AS HIGH AS 364.4 in 2002, WELL OVER THE NATIONAL AVERAGE of 280.5.

Crime rate the year the wall was started: STILL 286.1 ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

Crime rate in 2007: 279.5 ..FINALLY BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, the year after the wall was started.


Crime rate as of 2016 (six years after wall was completed : 199.7 WELL BELOW the National Average, and VERY MICH BELOW the 2002 level, four years before the wall was started.


Left still trying to claim that CRIME DID NOT DROP AFTER THE WALL WAS BUILT...PRICELESS. :lamo

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Much better to laugh at the astounding inability of the local left to READ A SIMPLE UNEDITED, UNALTERED FACTUAL REPORTING OF THE EMPIRICAL DATA.

You have proven that you have the mathematical understanding of a 5th grader. I don't have the time to teach you how to read a simple graph or chart. Everyone who graduated from high school knows you're making a fool of yourself.

 

[Deuce]

Glad you're not the mathematician that NASSA used for the Moon landing, or we would have never seen them again.


The National Average is 280.5. The FIRST YEAR EL PASO's CRIME RATE DROPPED BELOW THAT, was 2007...AFTER THE WALL WAS BEGUN.


Do you really have THAT MUCH TROUBLE FOLLOWING SUCH A SIMPLE CHART???

The national average changes, dude. Look at your own link.

 

[lwf]

Sadly, democrats tend to manipulate facts and numbers or hide facts and numbers which contradict the democrat propagandist narrative. That should not be surprising given the fact of so many democrat's open stances against God and the ten commandments.

DHS accused of sitting on damning border report as immigration issue drives presidential race DHS accused of sitting on damning border report as immigration issue drives presidential race | Fox News

Obama officials have a long history of lying in order to hide truth which contradicts their propagated narrative. Once democrats started lying about illegal immigration under Obama there was no turning back, so we see them doubling up on their lies to support their false narratives under today's Trump administration. Do walls impede or stop human traffic across the border? Of course they do. Any third grader could see that.

A wall alone cannot stop anyone other than unaccompanied children not strong enough to use ladders. A wall alone can impede border crossings only if by "impede" you mean "add 3 minutes to their journey."

U.S.-Mexico border: Migrants use ladder to scale wall near Yuma

My favorite quote from this article:

Jose Garibay, CBP Yuma sector spokesperson:
"Those saying that if we build a 30-foot wall, that you'll build a 31-foot ladder, and it's not true," he said. "Because you'll need two 31-foot ladders because you not only have to go up, but you have to come down on the other side. And as you saw, it is a long drop from 18 feet." (emphasis mine.)

So in other words: a thirty foot wall would add maybe another 2 minutes to their journey.

Here's an article from Breitbart of all places:

Report: Illegal Immigrants Using Strategically Place Ladders to Cross Border | Breitbart

Not only could any third grader see that walls alone are worthless, any third grader could get past a border wall with almost no effort in the company of an adult of average strength.

 

[Nickyjo]

Huh? The data doesn't support your statement. That's the bottom line. The wall didn't change crime rates in El Paso.

Is it possible that the kind of people desperately escaping poverty for jobs in the U.S. tend not to be murders and rapists? Maybe they're hardworking people willing to do the most difficult and menial jobs to support their families.

Trump could make an argument for better border security without lying. These people are generally not criminals. What's wrong with telling the truth?

Because Trump trafficks in fear: Mexicans, Muslims, Syrian refugees, blacks, migrants, etc.

FDR: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself

Trump: the only thing we have is fear

 

[Utility Man]

:elephantf:usflag2:

 

[Deuce]

I] Left still trying to claim that CRIME DID NOT DROP AFTER THE WALL WAS BUILT...PRICELESS. [/I] :lamo

No, we're saying crime dropped before the wall and it also dropped after the wall. Pay the **** attention.