Einstein was wrong!

[Angel]

Einstein was wrong!

This is undoubtedly true.
I commend the OP's balls.

 

[zyzygy]

1.This is undoubtedly true.
2.I commend the OP's balls.

1.Why is it true?
2. Too much information.

 

[Russell797]

hmmmm

I think you expect Relativity to be the theory of everything which it is not. It pertains only to a limited set of circumstances or boundary conditions. Within that scope it has passed every test.

It's a theory, not some assumed religious truth. It can be modified. It can be amended to account for additional information. Science WANT to find problems with theories, it's how we ask new questions and find new answers. We KNOW a scientific theory is not the end all be all explanation.

 

[Pin dÁr]

I think you expect Relativity to be the theory of everything which it is not.

No, I don't. Where exactlyu did I make that declaration?

It pertains only to a limited set of circumstances or boundary conditions.

That is what it should do, yes. The problem is that it doesn't!

Within that scope it has passed every test.

Really now? Or is that what you want to think? Well tell me please then which test it has passed?
Be less vague please.

It's a theory, not some assumed religious truth.

I agree it is only a theory. However it is by the 'scientific establishment' handled like a religious truth,

It can be modified.

Yes, but even then it is still wrong.It's whole basic is very flawed.

It can be amended to account for additional information.

Talking about being vague, eh?!

Science WANT to find problems with theories,

That's the propagamda, yes I know. But just look at the histopry of science and it is very easy to see it to be untrue.

This is how it really is:

“Max Planck, surveying his own career in his Scientific Autobiography, sadly remarked that “a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
― Thomas S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions

it's how we ask new questions and find new answers.

Yes, exactly how I found it that relativity is very very wrong.

We KNOW a scientific theory is not the end all be all explanation.

Where did I wrote that, then?


And between us, eh?! Did you really ever study special and relative theory? Please be honest.

 

[gamolon]

That is what it should do, yes. The problem is that it doesn't!

How about instead of just declaring it so, you provide some sort of evidence? So far, you've done nothing but make unsupported declarations/claims.

 

[Russell797]

No, I don't. Where exactlyu did I make that declaration?



That is what it should do, yes. The problem is that it doesn't!



Really now? Or is that what you want to think? Well tell me please then which test it has passed?
Be less vague please.


I agree it is only a theory. However it is by the 'scientific establishment' handled like a religious truth,





Yes, but even then it is still wrong.It's whole basic is very flawed.




Talking about being vague, eh?!




That's the propagamda, yes I know. But just look at the histopry of science and it is very easy to see it to be untrue.

This is how it really is:







Yes, exactly how I found it that relativity is very very wrong.



Where did I wrote that, then?


And between us, eh?! Did you really ever study special and relative theory? Please be honest.

Yes, at the lay person level of understanding. Reading popular books from esteemed physicists such as Steven Weinberg. I am a degreed atmospheric scientist however, so I follow along rather well I think. I do rather well conceptualizing the abstract ideas of Special and General Relativity Theory.

Look, I know relativity is not 100% correct. It's can't be because it is at odds with ideas of quantum gravitation at the scale of the very small. Work remains to be done, but our understanding of physics is based upon observation, evidence and testing of ideas. The theories work in describing and predicting outcomes to the limit of our ability to test. That's where we are. People with issues such as yourself should seek to convince the scientific community of specialized experts by doing science which forces a shift in thinking. Talk is cheap, bring forth the goods!

 

[Pin dÁr]

Yes, at the lay person level of understanding. Reading popular books from esteemed physicists such as Steven Weinberg. I am a degreed atmospheric scientist however, so I follow along rather well I think. I do rather well conceptualizing the abstract ideas of Special and General Relativity Theory.

Ok, thanks for explaining that.

Look, I know relativity is not 100% correct.

It is 0% correct I am sorry to say.

It's can't be because it is at odds with ideas of quantum gravitation at the scale of the very small.

I am aware of the difficulties with relatiivity theory and quantum physics. Alas, quantum physics is also very wrong.
But I won't go intop that here. But I am not talking about the problems with relativtiy and quantum physics. Relativity thweory itself is flawed and very wrong.

Work remains to be done, but our understanding of physics is based upon observation, evidence and testing of ideas.

Yes, again, that's the propaganda. In reality it simply doesn't work that way at all.
scientist are people, thet are biased, have blind spots and so on and so forth.
It really doesn't go as smoothly as you describe here. There is also peer pressure.
Most experts have to toe the line or else.... so much more to say about that,
The study of cognitive psychology and the philosophy of science will tell you a lot more
about all of this. Very interesting though.

The theories work in describing and predicting outcomes to the limit of our ability to test.

What theories , describing what and predicting what outcome? I am sorry but you are very vague here,

That's where we are.

Where exactly?

People with issues such as yourself should seek to convince the scientific community of specialized experts by doing science which forces a shift in thinking. Talk is cheap, bring forth the goods!

I do not exactly understand what you mean here. But do understand that the people in the 'scientific community" are brainwashed (=indoctrinated) into very wrong theories. If you are talking about talking them out of it, that can't be done. And it's is not about that. It is only about if it is true what I , and others, write?
Even if the whole scientific community is convinced, I, and others are wromg, about the stupidity of the relativity theory, well, so what? It's not about that. It's the fallacy of appeal to authority.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It is 0% correct I am sorry to say.

If that were the case, you wouldn't be posting here.

 

[Russell797]

Ok, thanks for explaining that.


It is 0% correct I am sorry to say.



I am aware of the difficulties with relatiivity theory and quantum physics. Alas, quantum physics is also very wrong.
But I won't go intop that here. But I am not talking about the problems with relativtiy and quantum physics. Relativity thweory itself is flawed and very wrong.

Well if it's wrong it's wrong. Science as a methodology has done the best it can to describe nature to within the limits imposed upon it. That the theories of relativity predict what we measure to the degree they do is evidence that they are not 0% correct.

Yes, again, that's the propaganda. In reality it simply doesn't work that way at all.
scientist are people, thet are biased, have blind spots and so on and so forth.
It really doesn't go as smoothly as you describe here. There is also peer pressure.
Most experts have to toe the line or else.... so much more to say about that,
The study of cognitive psychology and the philosophy of science will tell you a lot more
about all of this. Very interesting though.

You point out potential problems with humans doing science. Human nature being what it is imposes hurdles to 100% objectivity. Yet after all the dust settles, the practice of science has proven itself to be the best method for understanding the world. We know the method has warts....we also know that over time science is self correcting...maybe your alternative ideas will someday unseat the current understanding, but you must do science in order to make that happen...and you. just like everyone else will do that science less than perfectly.

What theories , describing what and predicting what outcome? I am sorry but you are very vague here,


Where exactly?

Are you serious? We are discussing the theories of relativity are we not? Where? The current state of science.

The theories of relativity work to within the limits of current testing. If you think it's propaganda, well I can't go there...but I dismiss the notion for the same reasons I dismiss global warming denial, biological evolution denial etc.

I do not exactly understand what you mean here. But do understand that the people in the 'scientific community" are brainwashed (=indoctrinated) into very wrong theories. If you are talking about talking them out of it, that can't be done. And it's is not about that. It is only about if it is true what I , and others, write?
Even if the whole scientific community is convinced, I, and others are wromg, about the stupidity of the relativity theory, well, so what? It's not about that. It's the fallacy of appeal to authority.

You don't talk people out of anything in science. The logic of science is what convinces, not a blind following of the spoken or written word.
Brainwashed? Scientists are not told what to believe. They can look at evidence, do the maths, test the conclusions and put the results to real world application. The result is what convinces.

Appeal to authority? What choice does the layman have? Be realistic. We educate people. Some of those people do research to advance their field of interest. They become the experts in those particular fields. The experts merge and accommodate their ideas into a congruent, internally consistent body of understanding....we should listen to the collective them....not you.

 

[gamolon]

Well if it's wrong it's wrong. Science as a methodology has done the best it can to describe nature to within the limits imposed upon it. That the theories of relativity predict what we measure to the degree they do is evidence that they are not 0% correct.

It's a God complex with Pin.

Whatever he says is correct because... well... because he says so.

 

[Cisero]

Alas, quantum physics is also very wrong.
But I won't go intop that here.

Aaah, of course you won't.

 

[TheGoverness]

Aaah, of course you won't.

He never does.

 

[gamolon]

Alas, quantum physics is also very wrong.

So quantum physics and people studying it has never lead to any advances in technology or science right Pin?

You've got to be kidding me.

:roll:

 

[Ostara]

No mathematical proof delivered with the claim and still all these replies. There seem to be a lot of patient people here. Although I can see how this could be entertaining to some.
Anyway, most people can (with enough patience) learn mathematics. 1. Prove Eisntein is wrong, 2. go to your nearest university, and 3. you'll be famous tomorrow. (Unless of course your math is wrong. Then step 3 is, accept you are wrong.)

 

[Arkantos]

32 pages... I think Pin dÁr is the best troll on the internet.

 

[Pin dÁr]

No mathematical proof delivered with the claim and still all these replies. There seem to be a lot of patient people here. Although I can see how this could be entertaining to some.
Anyway, most people can (with enough patience) learn mathematics. 1. Prove Eisntein is wrong, 2. go to your nearest university, and 3. you'll be famous tomorrow. (Unless of course your math is wrong. Then step 3 is, accept you are wrong.)

Except that is not the way things work in this world.I have studied physics, including relativity theoery ate university level
But besides that, there are professors who have been to university have studied relativity, teached in it and later they saw how flawed and ridiculous the whole relativity theory is. And no, they couldn't change physics, not because they were wrong but because of the structire of the ahum ahum scientific field. It is just like a religion. Ever tried to convert a religious person? Good luck! With science it is the same. Science is a BELIEF system, nothing more, nothing less.

And still nobody can show how space can be curved.



So, relativity is wrong on all fronts. But people still believe in this nonsense. That is saying something about our indoctri oeps sorry sory 'educational' system. lol

 

[Pin dÁr]

32 pages... I think Pin dÁr is the best troll on the internet.

Why calling me a troll? Something I wrote, mate?

 

[Pin dÁr]

Aaah, of course you won't.

not in this thread, mate. nice try though.

 

[Ostara]

Except that is not the way things work in this world.I have studied physics, including relativity theoery ate university level
But besides that, there are professors who have been to university have studied relativity, teached in it and later they saw how flawed and ridiculous the whole relativity theory is. And no, they couldn't change physics, not because they were wrong but because of the structire of the ahum ahum scientific field. It is just like a religion. Ever tried to convert a religious person? Good luck! With science it is the same. Science is a BELIEF system, nothing more, nothing less.

And still nobody can show how space can be curved.



So, relativity is wrong on all fronts. But people still believe in this nonsense. That is saying something about our indoctri oeps sorry sory 'educational' system. lol

Can you tell me the names of those professors? They must have written papers. Right?

 

[zyzygy]

Can you tell me the names of those professors? They must have written papers. Right?

He might have walked past a university once.

 

[Russell797]

Except that is not the way things work in this world.I have studied physics, including relativity theoery ate university level
But besides that, there are professors who have been to university have studied relativity, teached in it and later they saw how flawed and ridiculous the whole relativity theory is. And no, they couldn't change physics, not because they were wrong but because of the structire of the ahum ahum scientific field. It is just like a religion. Ever tried to convert a religious person? Good luck! With science it is the same. Science is a BELIEF system, nothing more, nothing less.

And still nobody can show how space can be curved.



So, relativity is wrong on all fronts. But people still believe in this nonsense. That is saying something about our indoctri oeps sorry sory 'educational' system. lol

You have been shown how space is curved. You just don't accept the explanations. Space bends and curves around massive objects. Light follows that path rather than what appears to us should be a straight line. You know this, you just reject the evidence. Why? It's in your words "propaganda".

I too have taken physics at the university level. Nothing in Relativity is at odds with the standard model of physics, but then you dismiss the standard model as well.

University professors change the science? Only if they also are involved in active research. Were your professors active research scientists at the time?

Your conspiracy theories are an all to common phenomenon these days, mostly promulgated by those who hold to conservative "values" and politics. Grand scale hoaxes are everywhere from global warming, government seeking control over the people, faking the Moon landings, cover up of alien spacecraft (UFOs) and you with this unsubstantiated attack on science.

Yes, I group you in with those others. You have no credibility at all.

 

[Pin dÁr]

You have been shown how space is curved.

No, not at all! I have shown how rubber is pressed etc etc. It is a very bad and wrong analogy. Hence...

You just don't accept the explanations.

Indeed. Cause space can not be curved at all.I don't accept nonsense.

Space bends and curves around massive objects.

No it doesn't and it is never been proven. It is a fairy tale. Nothing more.

Light follows that path rather than what appears to us should be a straight line.

I agree that light follows a certain path........according to optics! NOT relativity. There is no 'that path".

I really don't get it that people believe all this bull**** from ehh science.

You know this, you just reject the evidence.

No, I haven't seen any evidence. A ball in the middle of a sheet of rubber is NO evidence. It is an attempt to illustrate. And a wrong one that is.

Why?

Why what?

It's in your words "propaganda".

Of course it is.

I too have taken physics at the university level.

Ok.

Nothing in Relativity is at odds with the standard model of physics,

Duh? Now I have to ask what IS the standard model in physics?

but then you dismiss the standard model as well.

Most of it, yes, and on good grounds.

University professors change the science? Only if they also are involved in active research. Were your professors active research scientists at the time?

I don't know. But should it matter? Very strange what you write here.So, even if the argument(s) are clear and right and correct and what have you, it won't change science? Very interesting. I agree NONE can change science, not even a prof in active research. But don't you find it a bit odd what you write now?????

Your conspiracy theories are an all to common phenomenon these days,

Yes, because people are waking up to all the scams and lies aroudn them, including science! Good sign, very good sign!

mostly promulgated by those who hold to conservative "values" and politics.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatt? You are assuming here and probably have never researched conspiracies? am I right?

Grand scale hoaxes are everywhere from global warming, government seeking control over the people, faking the Moon landings, cover up of alien spacecraft (UFOs) and you with this unsubstantiated attack on science.

Yep, you are right and these are all correct, and there are so many many more.

Yes, I group you in with those others. You have no credibility at all.

Oh? And why is that? Because you don't like what I write, you put me in a group so that you can dismiss it all?!
That is called denial. You can tell yourself I have no credibility. That's ok with me, but you still haven't been able to refute what I wrote.

Do you have even the faintest clue where the term 'conspiracy theorist' came from? Maybe research that first before you dismiss the whole thing.

 

[Pin dÁr]

Can you tell me the names of those professors? They must have written papers. Right?

Even whole books!

 

[Pin dÁr]

Even assuming space can be curved. The curved space must react on the bodies as well, therefore producing the opposite effect, right? Thus straightening out the curves. Action and reaction, right? Hence curvature of space is..again..an impossibility!

 

[Russell797]

Even assuming space can be curved. The curved space must react on the bodies as well, therefore producing the opposite effect, right? Thus straightening out the curves. Action and reaction, right? Hence curvature of space is..again..an impossibility!

No, the General Theory of Relativity describes space as geometry rather than a force. Action and reaction is in response to an applied force. Push a massive object about as dense as you and it pushes back with equal force. Push "empty" space and it doesn't push back.

But the curvature of space does act on massive bodies. Your body, for instance, changes length and width ever so slightly from place to place as the Moon orbits the Earth. When the Moon is overhead the curvature is steeper at your head than at your feet. We call these effects tidal forces, but there is nothing pushing or pulling.