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Einstein was wrong!

Grand Mal said:
Do you ever think that sometimes ignorance is deliberate, determined and premeditated?

"please define space"?
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I'm starting to think everything Pin says is part of a grand scheme. In a couple of years, he is going to hit us with the ultimate truth bomb-thread & all of his posts will magically make sense. That day will be mind-opening.
 
do people here really really think that space can be curved????

please explain!
 
Pin dÁr said:
do people here really really think that space can be curved????

please explain!
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Do you believe this statement :

"The more massive an object is the more it will warp the surrounding space."
 
Cisero said:
Do you believe this statement :

"The more massive an object is the more it will warp the surrounding space."
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of course not! it is ridiculous, space can not be curved.

oh and btw the experiment by Eddington and others which, allegedly, proved spaces was curved can be explained by simple optics.

relativity is all rubish.
 
Pin dÁr said:
of course not! it is ridiculous, space can not be curved.

oh and btw the experiment by Eddington and others which, allegedly, proved spaces was curved can be explained by simple optics.

relativity is all rubish.
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For a person who believes that science is rubbish, you certainly quote a hell of a lot of scientists. What makes your scientists more or less valid than the ones we quote?
 
Pin dÁr said:
of course not! it is ridiculous, space can not be curved.

oh and btw the experiment by Eddington and others which, allegedly, proved spaces was curved can be explained by simple optics.

relativity is all rubish.
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Why not?

(NOTE TO EVERYONE: we should probably stop feeding it now)
 
Kobie said:
Why not?

(NOTE TO EVERYONE: we should probably stop feeding it now)
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Yeah you're right. I knew a while ago it was pointless, don't know why I continue.

It's just... frustrating you know ?
 
Hypnotoad said:
For a person who believes that science is rubbish, you certainly quote a hell of a lot of scientists. What makes your scientists more or less valid than the ones we quote?
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again, the arguments of course.

No one here can explain how space can be curved , hell, they even can't define space!
 
Cisero said:
Yeah you're right. I knew a while ago it was pointless, don't know why I continue.

It's just... frustrating you know ?
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why? because I disagree with the relativity junk?
 
Pin dÁr said:
again, the arguments of course.

No one here can explain how space can be curved , hell, they even can't define space!
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Oh we can explain how spacetime can be curved. We can point out all the scientific papers that have been done on the subject. It's that we can't explain it to you in a way that doesn't make you say things along the lines of "You believe that fairy tale?", or "You believe this? My oh my."
 
Pin dÁr said:
of course not. There is really no proof.
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But there is. GPS needs to be relativistically corrected. Also the decay rate of particles in a particle accelerator work according to Einstein's theories of time dilation. Cosmic ray interactions, the Hafele and Keating experiment, etc. I mean, you're not looking for evidence, nor are you going to accept it because you're trying to spin a particular narrative and cannot have anything counter to that. But it exists.
 
Can anybody explain this facet of human nature where somebody chooses to have a different view to reality. To deny the real world and to determinly wander away denying all evidence presented to them. The more sanity is pushed at them the more they dig in.

I argue mostly on the global warming area. There are those who will accuse me of the above. My defense is that I look at the evidence they present and they, generally don't look at or deal with the evidence that I present.

In this thread the sanity side is clear. The 100% denial of evidence is clear to all except one.

So has anybody been through this and got out of the other side? Has anybody seen anybody else get out of this and how was it done?
 
Hypnotoad said:
Oh we can explain how spacetime can be curved. We can point out all the scientific papers that have been done on the subject. It's that we can't explain it to you in a way that doesn't make you say things along the lines of "You believe that fairy tale?", or "You believe this? My oh my."
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it isn't explained at all. You can calculate (tensor calculus and all that) but that doesn't make it true.

Even if one million scioentist scream that space can be cirved that by itself does not make it true or possible at all.

Nobody here seems to be able to explain how space can be curved. It is simply because it cannot.

How in the world can you curve space. it is a ridiculous and idiotic idea.
 
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Pin dÁr said:
it isn't explained at all. You can calculate (tensoer calculus and all that) but that doesn't make it true.

Even if one million scioentist scream that space can be cirved that by itself does not make it true or possible at all.

Nobody here seems to be able to explain how space can be curved. It is simply because it cannot.

How in the world can you curve space. it is a ridiculous and idiotic idea.
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Almost as ridiculous as you and others screaming that everything is fake in this world except for true love and you don;t even supply anything to support your claim. Why aren't you half to the same standards that you hold "a million scientists" to. You never answered my question either which just shows that you are bluffing.

If food is fake in your opinion, do you still eat it? If the food is fake in our world, what sustains you if you aren't eating it?
 
Pin dÁr said:
why? because I disagree with the relativity junk?
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No, it's because you disagree and your only evidence is "because I say so". You provide no supporting evidence whatsoever. Like I said, you have a God complex where you think that everyone should believe you just because you say it's so.
 
gamolon said:
Almost as ridiculous as you and others screaming that everything is fake in this world except for true love and you don;t even supply anything to support your claim. Why aren't you half to the same standards that you hold "a million scientists" to. You never answered my question either which just shows that you are bluffing.

If food is fake in your opinion, do you still eat it? If the food is fake in our world, what sustains you if you aren't eating it?
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from what level are you looking at things?
 
Pin dÁr said:
from what level are you looking at things?
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What does this even mean?

Answer my questions Pin. Do you still pretend to eat the "fake food" here in our world? Do you still use the "fake medicine" in our world?
 
Pin dÁr said:
it isn't explained at all. You can calculate (tensor calculus and all that) but that doesn't make it true.

Even if one million scioentist scream that space can be cirved that by itself does not make it true or possible at all.

Nobody here seems to be able to explain how space can be curved. It is simply because it cannot.

How in the world can you curve space. it is a ridiculous and idiotic idea.
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It is a rediculous idea.

It is also correct.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=&...&biw=1280&bih=915&dpr=1#imgrc=y6U34PqKg7SEeM:

This called gravitational lensing.

It is where the light of a distant galaxy has been lensed around an interviening large mass. It did so whilst never doing anything other than going in a straight line.
 
Tim the plumber said:

It is a rediculous idea.

It is also correct.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=&...&biw=1280&bih=915&dpr=1#imgrc=y6U34PqKg7SEeM:

This called gravitational lensing.

It is where the light of a distant galaxy has been lensed around an interviening large mass. It did so whilst never doing anything other than going in a straight line.
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And there is really no alternative explanation? ;)

There must be , because space it self can not be curved. No one has showed how it can be done.

It is very simply impossible.

And once again, it is, as we see soo much in science, a logical fallacy!

Many of the general-relativity-tests such as bending of light near a star and gravitational red/blue shift are explained without general-relativity & without Newtonian-approach. The authors first cast doubts on both, the Newtonian and the relativistic approach; and proposes a novel alternative-explanation. The new alternative explanation is based on refraction-phenomenon of optics.

Refraction-Based Alternative Explanation for: Bending of Light Near a Star, Gravitational Red/Blue Shift and Black-Hole (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...ar_Gravitational_RedBlue_Shift_and_Black-Hole [accessed May 9, 2017].
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Pin dÁr said:
And there is really no alternative explanation? ;)

There must be , because space it self can not be curved. No one has showed how it can be done.

It is very simply impossible.
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Do you have one?
 
Pin dÁr said:
How in the world can you curve space. it is a ridiculous and idiotic idea.
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They said the same thing when they tried to explain that the Solar System was Heliocentric. Hell, they were screaming to have such heresy punishable by death.
 
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