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E.P.A. Finalizes Its Plan to Replace Obama-Era Climate Rules

MTAtech said:
I agree, wHat this country needs is a good dose of action from it's citizens. They should vote out these Republicans who give us these ass-backwards policies. This wouldn’t have happened if HRC was president — but, but her emails.
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I agree. Once we vote them out, there needs to be a broadened focus of climate change mitigation policy.

1. Solar PVs and wind now stand on their own. Wind is among the lowest cost producers of electricity. Solar is more successful at the residential level, where over 3 million homes in the US have installed systems to substantially reduce or eliminate their electric bill. Allow the Obama-era incentives on these systems to expire. Hybrid car incentives expired years ago, and are still purchased in mass.

2. Provide a new incentive for "green homes" - super-insulated, sealed homes, with heat recovery ventilators for fresh air exchange. These are NOT that much more expensive to build. Incentives should balance out the additional expense - I believe a $10K tax credit would suffice.
 
Media_Truth said:
See post #16. Over 3 millions homes in the US have installed solar PV systems. Netmetered Solar PV systems hold down the cost of electricity for all consumers, because, as peak-load producers, they prevent the need to build additional power plants, the primary driver of increased electricity costs.

I got a quote to install a 2nd solar PV system, and gave my provider the OK. He is so busy, he cannot start until late FALL. By the way my background - BS in Electrical Engineering.
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I'm not against Solar, but would you have added that without the incentives and tax breaks?
 
Trump said:
elections have consequences ...
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My point exactly. We should be careful not to elect these swamp rats that cater to corporate lobbyists and appoint them to positions of responsibility. Moreover, we should be even more careful not to be fooled by con men who claim that they want to drain the swamp and then do the opposite.
 
MTAtech said:
My point exactly. We should be careful not to elect these swamp rats that cater to corporate lobbyists and appoint them to positions of responsibility. Moreover, we should be even more careful not to be fooled by con men who claim that they want to drain the swamp and then do the opposite.
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we knew exactly what side Trump was on with coal before election....he's doing what he promised.
 
MTAtech said:
That's what we need to do, protect coal. Put aside for a minute that it's a bad idea, whatever happened to the idea of government not picking winners and losers? This is what happens when one puts a coal lobbyist in charge of the EPA. You know what you also get? This:

[h=1]Cost of New E.P.A. Coal Rules: Up to 1,400 More Deaths a Year[/h]Glad they're making America great.
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As the NYT has not reported honestly or fairly on anything related to President Trump and/or his agenda yet, there is no reason to believe they are reporting honestly or fairly here either.

I think President Trump has demonstrated pretty well that he is unwilling to put lives at risk for political gain or to accomplish his policies. There is no reason to believe he is doing that with his coal policies either.
 
AlbqOwl said:
As the NYT has not reported honestly or fairly on anything related to President Trump and/or his agenda yet, there is no reason to believe they are reporting honestly or fairly here either.

I think President Trump has demonstrated pretty well that he is unwilling to put lives at risk for political gain or to accomplish his policies. There is no reason to believe he is doing that with his coal policies either.
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Is that your defense, the New York Times made up the whole thing and the Trump administration’s own analysis didn't didn't conclude that 1,400 more people would die from this policy change? REALLY!

If so, then I suggest you find the actual study and post the findings here.

The problem is that you Trumpsters have lost the capacity to think for yourselves, to make judgments, to find a rational basis for taking any sort of stand on principle. You all have become sheep. Michael Savage, the radio host, puts it this way “too many people” Trump is more than a human being, “he’s a demigod.”

You people, the ones who brook no criticism of Trump, ever, on any subject, even when the evidence is overwhelming, are the sheep. You would rather invoke your cognitive dissonance and declare the source fake than admit Trump can be wrong -- and is wrong on this topic specifically.
 
Trump said:
we knew exactly what side Trump was on with coal before election....he's doing what he promised.
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1) He didn't specifically say that he would implement policies that would harm people to help the coal industry, which is dying a natural death anyway. 2) would you have voted for him if you knew that his policies would cost 1,400 Americans a year their lives? If so, you are immoral.
 
MTAtech said:
Is that your defense, the New York Times made up the whole thing and the Trump administration’s own analysis didn't didn't conclude that 1,400 more people would die from this policy change? REALLY!

If so, then I suggest you find the actual study and post the findings here.

The problem is that you Trumpsters have lost the capacity to think for yourselves, to make judgments, to find a rational basis for taking any sort of stand on principle. You all have become sheep. Michael Savage, the radio host, puts it this way “too many people” Trump is more than a human being, “he’s a demigod.”

You people, the ones who brook no criticism of Trump, ever, on any subject, even when the evidence is overwhelming, are the sheep. You would rather invoke your cognitive dissonance and declare the source fake than admit Trump can be wrong -- and is wrong on this topic specifically.
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If you have an argument that isn't a rant of mischaracterizations and insults, get back to us. Otherwise do have a pleasant afternoon.
 
AlbqOwl said:
If you have an argument that isn't a rant of mischaracterizations and insults, get back to us. Otherwise do have a pleasant afternoon.
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I answered you argument, such as it was, this way:

Is that your defense, the New York Times made up the whole thing and the Trump administration’s own analysis didn't didn't conclude that 1,400 more people would die from this policy change? REALLY!

If so, then I suggest you find the actual study and post the findings here.

You choose to deny reality.
 
MTAtech said:
1) He didn't specifically say that he would implement policies that would harm people to help the coal industry, which is dying a natural death anyway. 2) would you have voted for him if you knew that his policies would cost 1,400 Americans a year their lives? If so, you are immoral.
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FAKE NEWS........crying wolf over and over and over ...never learn:2wave:
 
MTAtech said:
I answered you argument, such as it was, this way:

Is that your defense, the New York Times made up the whole thing and the Trump administration’s own analysis didn't didn't conclude that 1,400 more people would die from this policy change? REALLY!

If so, then I suggest you find the actual study and post the findings here.

You choose to deny reality.
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When neither you nor your source choose to back up your assertions with any credible verification, I am perfectly within my rights to question and/or doubt those assertions without having to provide any additional corroboration. Most especially when it is my opinion that you and your sources have been shown to be wrong quite frequently. Again, have a pleasant afternoon.
 
Renae said:
I'm not against Solar, but would you have added that without the incentives and tax breaks?
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Unequivocally YES ---> I got no tax breaks on my bermed ZERO ENERGY, passive solar home, which utilized almost 20000 recycled tires in it's construction.

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Media_Truth said:
See post #16. Over 3 millions homes in the US have installed solar PV systems. Netmetered Solar PV systems hold down the cost of electricity for all consumers, because, as peak-load producers, they prevent the need to build additional power plants, the primary driver of increased electricity costs.

I got a quote to install a 2nd solar PV system, and gave my provider the OK. He is so busy, he cannot start until late FALL. By the way my background - BS in Electrical Engineering.
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3 million homes, wow in a country of 360 million people! And how many of those get big tax incentives to do so? Solar Tax Credit Guide and Calculator
What is the Solar Tax Credit?
The federal solar tax credit, formally known as the investment tax credit (ITC), is a credit equal to 30% of the qualified costs of installing a photovoltaic (PV) solar system. The ITC was established as a part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 in an effort to boost the US renewable energy market.
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I.E. Whe solar doesn't need that sort of help....
 
Solar might be a good alternative for 1/3 of the country but that's about it. And if you are like tens of millions who don't have the option to grid tie your system you have to deal with batteries and they are a PIA. Now if the new Telsa solar lithium batteries ever get to the point they have a decent amount of capacity without costing absurd amounts of money, it may be more viable in the future.

We were on solar for about 10 years and used it in conjunction with a gravity spring and free gas from a gas well and the solar was still a pain. Actually more impressed having a gas well and a gravity spring. Could run our fridge(gas), water heater, gas lights, heater, cooking so basically you could get by without any electricity if you were fine living that way(we weren't).
 
Trump said:
we knew exactly what side Trump was on with coal before election....he's doing what he promised.
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For someone with a reputation as a chronic liar, Trump has kept a lot of campaign promises.

Jack Hays said:
Unusually ugly.
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BS In the location it fits well. I grew up with an architect so, when I say that looks pretty well done, it is not an uniformed opinion.

On the subject of coal plants, the NYT number is BS. All Trump has done is allow gas plants to naturally kill the coal plants rather than force the issue. In ten years the coal jobs will be lost anyway but this gives less hardship on the workers.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I wouldn't have expected you to be an advocate for government not picking winners and losers, but good for you.

“If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them,”--Former President of the United State.
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Conservatives like to suggest that quote. But they consistently ignore the fact that the markets and the electric power industry had already made that choice years before.
 
TomFitz said:
Conservatives like to suggest that quote. But they consistently ignore the fact that the markets and the electric power industry had already made that choice years before.
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You appear to be ignoring the topic, if the markets and the industry already made the choice, then there is no issue with either the Obama era regulations nor any changes to be done or already done in the Trump administration.

Do you want government picking winners and losers?
 
Jay59 said:
For someone with a reputation as a chronic liar, Trump has kept a lot of campaign promises.


BS In the location it fits well. I grew up with an architect so, when I say that looks pretty well done, it is not an uniformed opinion.

On the subject of coal plants, the NYT number is BS. All Trump has done is allow gas plants to naturally kill the coal plants rather than force the issue. In ten years the coal jobs will be lost anyway but this gives less hardship on the workers.
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Whether it's "well done" is not the point. It's ugly.
 
You have positive examples from all around the world then it comes to renewable energy and you also are seeing great advancmenet in electric vehicles.

Fossil fuels produce less than half of UK electricity for first time | Business | The Guardian

Bloomberg - Electric Car Price Tag Shrinks Along With Battery Cost


While you are also starting to see a shift among Republicans than it comes to climate change.

"A small but growing number of Republican lawmakers are urging action on climate change, driven by shifting sentiment among GOP voters and the effects of global warming, from stronger hurricanes to more-destructive wildfires."

Some Republican Lawmakers Break With Party on Climate Change - WSJ
 
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