"duty to retreat" laws are gun control laws.

[gdgyva]

So if someone steals watches from a pawn shop, or a car from a parking lot, or your wallet out of your back pocket, does that mean that you and/or your family will starve to death and die?

if rioters destroy a family business, and burn it to the ground, what do you think will happen to their livliehood?

riots arent covered by insurance on "most" policies...not an accident and not an act of GOD

 

[gdgyva]

We have a thing called insurance


If you haven't insured your home and/or business for theft, perhaps you might want to look into it.

you might want to read the small print of the policies

not all will cover riots

 

[Rich2018]

you might want to read the small print of the policies

not all will cover riots

Did you not read post #52 ?



"Riot, civil commotion, and vandalism are covered perils under virtually all commercial property policies. They are covered causes of loss under both named perils and "all risk" policies....the policy doesn't exclude riot, civil commotion, or vandalism so the damage to his property should be covered."


Property Coverage for Riots, Vandalism, and Civil Commotion



Do you see the "covered" and "under virtually all policies" bit ?

 

[gdgyva]

Did you not read post #52 ?



"Riot, civil commotion, and vandalism are covered perils under virtually all commercial property policies. They are covered causes of loss under both named perils and "all risk" policies....the policy doesn't exclude riot, civil commotion, or vandalism so the damage to his property should be covered."


Property Coverage for Riots, Vandalism, and Civil Commotion



Do you see the "covered" and "under virtually all policies" bit ?

thank you

and no i hadnt seen...and different than i had been aware of

i know a previous policy i signed DID NOT cover but it was not in the USA....so rules may differ here

 

[Rich2018]

thank you

and no i hadnt seen...and different than i had been aware of

i know a previous policy i signed DID NOT cover but it was not in the USA....so rules may differ here

No worries

I would doubt that commercial policies have fine print

Businessmen who take them out probably get a professional to look them over before signing

 

[danielpalos]

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Rich2018]

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

 

[Maidenrules29]

All I need is plain reason and legal axioms to defend my rights against anyone who draws and shoots first.

If Im walking down the street and I see 2 huge guys walking towards me and one says "were gonna kill you" I'm going to draw and shoot. The only defense I need is that I was in fear of my life and that I had reason to believe that the person or persons I had to defend myself against had the will and capacity to cause me great bodily harm or death. Running isn't an option for me. I have a physical handicap and cannot run very fast.

 

[Rich2018]

If Im walking down the street and I see 2 huge guys walking towards me and one says "were gonna kill you" I'm going to draw and shoot. The only defense I need is that I was in fear of my life and that I had reason to believe that the person or persons I had to defend myself against had the will and capacity to cause me great bodily harm or death. Running isn't an option for me. I have a physical handicap and cannot run very fast.

Hope you were wearing a body cam and had it switched on, otherwise there's a good chance you're going to jail.

 

[RF667799]

Hope you were wearing a body cam and had it switched on, otherwise there's a good chance you're going to jail.

Is that better or worse than going to the morgue?

 

[Rich2018]

Hope you were wearing a body cam and had it switched on, otherwise there's a good chance you're going to jail.

Who's to say what they said, or what they meant by it

Maybe they were just upset you stole their parking space.

 

[RF667799]

Who's to say what they said, or what they meant by it

Maybe they were just upset you stole their parking space.

Even in responding to yourself you aren't following the conversation.

 

[HumblePi]

if rioters destroy a family business, and burn it to the ground, what do you think will happen to their livliehood?

riots arent covered by insurance on "most" policies...not an accident and not an act of GOD

Well then, cops need to learn not to keep killing people just because they don't like them, then there won't be any reason to protest and no riots will come from anyone pretending to be a protester, right? Then all will be peaceful and right with the world.

 

[Rich2018]

Well then, cops need to learn not to keep killing people just because they don't like them, then there won't be any reason to protest and no riots will come from anyone pretending to be a protester, right? Then all will be peaceful and right with the world.

Police forces should hire racists. That would be a good start.

 

[HumblePi]

Police forces should hire racists. That would be a good start.

They already did, that's the problem

 

[Rich2018]

They already did, that's the problem

Whoops, my typing again


Should read, should NOT hire racists.

 

[HumblePi]

Whoops, my typing again


Should read, should NOT hire racists.

LOL! I was giving you a side-eye

 

[Rich2018]

LOL! I was giving you a side-eye

I guess I've been side eyed.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Well then, cops need to learn not to keep killing people just because they don't like them, then there won't be any reason to protest and no riots will come from anyone pretending to be a protester, right? Then all will be peaceful and right with the world.

There are some bad cops. We all know that. The best way to avoid that slight probability of being the victim of a corrupt, overzealous cop is to not be doing anything fishy or illegal that might cause said cop to come into contact with you. Really easy.

 

[gdgyva]

Police forces should hire racists. That would be a good start.

i assume you mean they SHOULDNT hire racists

tell me HOW they can accomplish such a goal....

apparently all the training, classes, and mental tests available today cant spot them all....a % still get through

and when you are talking 800k police walking around 1% = 8000 racists cops and that is being very conservative

So how do you suppose they do this better? Please tell us....

 

[Rich2018]

i assume you mean they SHOULDNT hire racists

Yes, I corrected myself in post #116 after a fellow poster kindly pointed out my typo

tell me HOW they can accomplish such a goal....

A better interview process and a training program designed to identify any racist attitudes

apparently all the training, classes, and mental tests available today cant spot them all....a % still get through

Then those training courses don't focus enough of weeding out racism, bullying etc

and when you are talking 800k police walking around 1% = 8000 racists cops and that is being very conservative

Yes, I would agree with you that 1% is way too a conservative estimate

So how do you suppose they do this better? Please tell us....

I just did, through a better training system designed to identify psychological issues like racism, sexism, bullying etc

Put the students under stress and the direction of ethnic minorities/women etc

Create simulations where a students psychological flaws will be exposed

Have a long probation period after graduation and monitor them....I can think of lots of ways that experienced training could identify character flaws in recruits

Oh and I think there should be a minimum age for police academy of at least 30 years.

 

[gdgyva]

Yes, I corrected myself in post #116 after a fellow poster kindly pointed out my typo



A better interview process and a training program designed to identify any racist attitudes



Then those training courses don't focus enough of weeding out racism, bullying etc




Yes, I would agree with you that 1% is way too a conservative estimate



I just did, through a better training system designed to identify psychological issues like racism, sexism, bullying etc

Put the students under stress and the direction of ethnic minorities/women etc

Create simulations where a students psychological flaws will be exposed

Have a long probation period after graduation and monitor them....I can think of lots of ways that experienced training could identify character flaws in recruits

Oh and I think there should be a minimum age for police academy of at least 30 years.

Step by Step: How To Become a Cop

Finish high school and get a diploma or obtain a GED
Get your degree whether it’s an associate’s or bachelor’s. The degree should be focused on criminal justice, law enforcement or a related field (this is optional but recommended).
Pass a law enforcement entrance exam
Pass physical exam, psychological exam, background check and other applicable exams
Apply to your local Police Academy
After graduating police academy, get on-the-job training
Apply for police officer positions

SCHOOL COST
The cost of police academy is rather modest considering it repays with a rewarding career. The average cost of police academy is $6,500. The fees should include both the cost of tuition and any other type of cost associated with police academy such as the uniform. As with most educational costs, in-state tuition is far less expensive than out-of-state or out-of-county tuition for police academy. Some community colleges, in conjunction with local police departments, host the police academy. The amount of time spent in police academy can vary, with 6 months being the national average.

An early career Police Officer with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation of $47,687 based on 827 salaries surveyed across the USA

So....after all of that....you still think you are going to get ALL of the racists out of police work?

I wish you luck....it surprises me that we fill all of the jobs as it it now....

and there is no way in hell, any city council, mayor, or chief of police is going to wait for all candidates to hit 30 years of age....

 

[Rich2018]

...after all of that....you still think you are going to get ALL of the racists out of police work?

No, I'd radically overero cost for training

The police force pays....all PD's in the state fund a central police school

All applicants must be at least 30 years old

Training is at least 6 months and tests conducted to identify any character flaws - racism being one of them

And no, you will never eliminate prejudice. We all suffer from it as we're products of our upbringing. Hopefully though we can mature as we get older.

 

[gdgyva]

No, I'd radically overero cost for training

The police force pays....all PD's in the state fund a central police school

All applicants must be at least 30 years old

Training is at least 6 months and tests conducted to identify any character flaws - racism being one of them

And no, you will never eliminate prejudice. We all suffer from it as we're products of our upbringing. Hopefully though we can mature as we get older.

so the career cop then works till what 65?

8-10 years in a patrol car....now kicking 40 in the butt

then detective for a number of years....

where are your management ranks coming from since everyone is starting so late?

the captains, lieutenants, and higher ups....

i understand why you want to start cops at a higher maturity, but physical activity is a BIG part, and it takes time to LEARN to be a cop

just not sure that is being realistic

 

[Rich2018]

so the career cop then works till what 65?

No, the retirement age wouldn't change. Senior ranks would be later, perhaps 65

8-10 years in a patrol car....now kicking 40 in the butt

You can count, great

then detective for a number of years....

Or apply to be a detective earlier

where are your management ranks coming from since everyone is starting so late?

No change, why would there be ?

i understand why you want to start cops at a higher maturity, but physical activity is a BIG part, and it takes time to LEARN to be a cop

I don't want any kids as cops.

No physical reason a 55 year old cop can't do the job. Weed out the fat, unfit cops we have today.



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