Down goes General Lee[W:525]

[BillRM]

Re: Down goes General Lee

this has been discussed ad naseum and I suspect you know it. Washington was a patriot lee was a traitor.

In what way as I can not see Washington for example attacking his home state of Virginia if it had decided to remain loyal to the crown so in both cases George and Lee was loyal to the state of Virginia.

They was both very similar men and slave owners and honorable and loyal men of Virginia.

 

[DashingAmerican]

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your post is a lie

what part of you being the first person to bring race into our conversation is a lie?

 

[BillRM]

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what you dont get is lee was a loser and a traitor. bad monument material.

Well Grant did not agree with you having a great deal of respect for Lee and his men.

 

[katzgar]

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Well Grant did not agree with you having a great deal of respect for Lee and his men.

There is no question about Lee's generalship and Leadership abilities except maybe at Gettysburg. Leah's responsible for the deaths of many Union and Confederate soldiers. Lee is responsible for attempting to retain the institution of slavery.

 

[katzgar]

Re: Down goes General Lee

In what way as I can not see Washington for example attacking his home state of Virginia if it had decided to remain loyal to the crown so in both cases George and Lee was loyal to the state of Virginia.

They was both very similar men and slave owners and honorable and loyal men of Virginia.

If you're trying to say that Washington was a traitor to England in the same way Lee was a traitor to the United States I would certainly agree with you the difference is Lee lost

 

[katzgar]

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In a tribute to Lee Circle (which had formerly been known as Tivoli Circle), George Washington Cable wrote:

In Tivoli Circle, New Orleans, from the centre and apex of its green flowery mound, an immense column of pure white marble
rises in the ... majesty of Grecian proportions high up above the city's house-tops into the dazzling sunshine ... On its dizzy
top stands the bronze figure of one of the worlds greatest captains. He is alone. Not one of his mighty lieutenants stand behind,
beside or below him. His arms are folded on that breast that never knew fear, and his calm, dauntless gaze meets the morning
as it rises, like the new prosperity of the land he loved and served so masterly, above the far distant battle fields where so many
thousands of his gray veterans lie in the sleep of fallen heroes. (Silent South, 1885, The Century Illustrated Monthly Magazine)

Didn't say anything about Lee being a big time slaver, just a worthy soldier which what he was.

Except Gettysburg of course

 

[BillRM]

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Lee is responsible for attempting to retain the institution of slavery.

Lee was defensing the state of Virginia not slavery and if Virginia had gone with the union Lee would had gone with the union.

 

[katzgar]

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Lee was defensing the state of Virginia not slavery and if Virginia had gone with the union Lee would had gone with the union.

Lee was a traitor and a slaver.

 

[slick]

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Except Gettysburg of course

I think this was by Benet, I am not sure I recall all of it

Hats off to Masta Robert a real FFV
A dauntless & chivalrous leader was he
He massacred Hooker & trifled with Pope
He trimmed poor old Burnside of whiskers & hope
But Meade was the horseshoe he couldn't quite bend
And then came Ulysses s Grant & the end

 

[BillRM]

Re: Down goes General Lee

Lee was a traitor and a slaver.

Slaver so he was in the business of selling and trading slaves instead of being a profession military man?

The slaves he did 'own' came by way of his wife inheriting them along with the lands from her family.

He was not interesting in the slave business and once more would had gone either way as far as slavery was concern depending on how Virginia decided.

He was not a traitor as far as his overriding loyal to Virginia was concern.

Robert E Lee Quotes | HistoryNet

So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.

In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.

I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honour for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labour, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.

 

[slick]

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American Conservatives love their Confederacy and its secession, its secessionist leaders, the slavery of the Confederacy and the KKK legacy whole nine yards of it.

American Conservatives are revealing themselves at this thread as Confederates. Through and through. I no longer consider as legit the American Conservatives who continue to fight the CW while also loving Putin

The bad guy to American Conservatives is Potun Lincoln. Their bad thing is the Constitution. Their worst nightmare is that the Confederacy gets presented nationally in its true light in either museums or at federally designated Civil War historic sites.

American Conservatives argue fiercely against the Union of the States and holler passionately for the states of the Confederacy.

The winners do write history. If that's a **** sandwich to American Conservatives then I'll be pleased to provide the condiments to it along with a brew.

American Conservatives indeed. American Confederates from then to now. Against the United States.

Some more words of wisdom from the poster who claimed Lincoln's wolfpack of generals since late 62 weren't playing games anymore &
even more interesting was your claim that Forrest was Lee's faulty Cavalry Commander at Gettysburg. Keep us informed!

 

[akyron]

What's next?

Book burning?

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“The rise of fascism in the real world being mirrored in comics is no coincidence.”

 

[Tangmo]

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That's what I mean about your arrogance.

They were not just symbols of slavery. That is very short sighted and ignorant.

Just because they have been taught to mean that, doesn't make such indoctrination so!

The monuments and memorials hailed secession. This is despite secession being defeated in a war begun by the states of the CSA that cost more than 600K lives on both sides.

For a hundred years afterward many people in the Old Confederacy said the South shall rise again. That was a purpose of the statues and all of the rest. The South shall rise again they chirped as they set a thousand statues in place across the South.

The CSA is dead. Slavery is dead. The post bellum 14th Amendment guarantees the equal protection of the laws to every resident of each state of the Union. Brown v Board in 1954 set the tone and pace for the USA we have to the present and going forward.

The Rebs still reject all of that. Rebs rather praise the legacy of CSA in every way. Rebs being the American Conservatives. That's youse guyz. Youse who love Vladimir Putin too.

 

[Tangmo]

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No, but how long until we stop teaching it?

<<snip>>
I just think it's shameful that people are tearing down statues so they can forget they were there.

<<snip>>

Why tear something down just to forget about it? Even parts of Auschwitz are still standing.

The Old Confederacy itself and its plantation system of slavery are America's Auschwitz. America's Auschwitz operated for 200 years. Its legacy continues since unfortunately. The legacy lives. It remains active as we see here and vividly.

CSA remains physically present in the states of the Old Confederacy. And in the statues and monuments that need to be removed and relocated in their proper context for all to see and consider. Their proper context that the monuments are America's Auschwitz.

America has its own Auschwitz and it's alive and still kicking. So relax over there. Cause you're all wringing your hands over nothing much at all.

 

[Tangmo]

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I'm reading in all sources that the vote was 3 to 2. Do you have a different source for the vote?

That's 60% to 40%.

Much like the poll percentage vote at the other thread.

Decisive indeed thx.

 

[Tangmo]

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American Conservatives who love the CSA and the existing Old Confederacy need to take their cues from Germany and Japan of 1945.

Transform yourselves into civilized members of the modern world. Go forward not backward as always.

American Conservatives need absolutely to release their death grip on the statues and monuments that praise secession, the plantation system of slavery, and that celebrate war in the defense and preservation of same.

American Conservatives want to keep America's Auschwitz alive and kicking. Let's make it instead a proper monument and memorial. The real American Auschwitz needs to be a proper museum. Not an active and kicking entity and its effects.

 

[Angel]

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no you are just posting ignorant crap

Physician, heal thyself.
A quick glance through this thread shows that you had the most to say and said the least.

The monuments and memorials hailed secession.

No they did not. Progressive exegesis is hysterical, not historical.

STOP THE EMOTIONAL POLLUTION OF AMERICA

STOP SANCTIMONIOUS PROGRESSIVE ANACHRONISM

 

[Tangmo]

Re: Down goes General Lee

Physician, heal thyself.
A quick glance through this thread shows that you had the most to say and said the least.

No they did not. Progressive exegesis is hysterical, not historical.

Place praise and celebration of CSA in its proper context, i.e., it is wrong wrong wrong.

 

[Tangmo]

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Slaver so he was in the business of selling and trading slaves instead of being a profession military man?

The slaves he did 'own' came by way of his wife inheriting them along with the lands from her family.

He was not interesting in the slave business and once more would had gone either way as far as slavery was concern depending on how Virginia decided.

He was not a traitor as far as his overriding loyal to Virginia was concern.

The honorable thing for CSA General Robert E. Lee to do in 1865, after he surrendered his sword to General Grant would have been to go off and put his officer's handgun to his head.

A man of honor would have done that exactly.

Lee however continued to muddle on in the same pathetic mindset as his quotes reveal he suffered. CSA General Robert E. Lee thereby failed in his ultimate test of honor.

Lee commanded an Army that directly killed more than 600,000 Americans from 1861-65. The least a man of honor would have done was to have shared their fate. As it was, Lee limped on after the war to die a frail and feeble man.

Robert E. Lee was never more than a wretched and woeful wimp. Hopelessly conflicted. To to point of directly killing hundreds of thousands of Americans and wreaking havoc on the entire country.

Yet in contrast Lincoln was the guy who got a bullet in his brain for preserving the Union.

 

[joG]

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You think racism is your cultural heritage? That says a lot.

It certainly was a major factor in forming our culture and something our society believed was quite legitimate for many years. Yep. I think there should be a visible reminder of that.

 

[katzgar]

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“The rise of fascism in the real world being mirrored in comics is no coincidence.”

your post is irrelevant to whats going on

 

[katzgar]

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It certainly was a major factor in forming our culture and something our society believed was quite legitimate for many years. Yep. I think there should be a visible reminder of that.

the monuments are very much visible? you really dont know whats going on do you?

 

[katzgar]

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Physician, heal thyself.
A quick glance through this thread shows that you had the most to say and said the least.

No they did not. Progressive exegesis is hysterical, not historical.

STOP THE EMOTIONAL POLLUTION OF AMERICA

STOP SANCTIMONIOUS PROGRESSIVE ANACHRONISM

you arent rational

 

[katzgar]

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Slaver so he was in the business of selling and trading slaves instead of being a profession military man?

The slaves he did 'own' came by way of his wife inheriting them along with the lands from her family.

He was not interesting in the slave business and once more would had gone either way as far as slavery was concern depending on how Virginia decided.

He was not a traitor as far as his overriding loyal to Virginia was concern.

minutiae

 

[katzgar]

Re: Down goes General Lee

Lee was defensing the state of Virginia not slavery and if Virginia had gone with the union Lee would had gone with the union.

The CSA was formed to preserve slavery. Lee was a general for the CSA. Lee was immoral