Down goes General Lee[W:525]

[Master PO]

Re: Down goes General Lee

more of the same, "my party wears the white hats, while the other party wears the black hats," , America divided

 

[Tangmo]

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The "celebration" is all in the anachronistic Progressive mind. These monuments memorialize the war between the states. Guilt for something ancestors did is ****ing ridiculous, period.


You're correct. The war was fought over secession, and the South was in the right on this issue. Because the North won doesn't change that.

American conservatives love their secessionists and secession. American conservatives love their Confederacy. It's a conservative thing almost exclusively.

 

[BillRM]

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Is it not strange and sad that Grant honor the southern troops surrendering to him and his men and yet there is now a wish to undo that honor and degrade those brave men and their leaders centuries later.

Men that by Grant light was fellow countrymen of his from the moment they surrender.

?The Rebels Are Our Countrymen Again?: Grant and Lee Meet at Appomattox

someone asked if he did not consider the news of Lee’s surrender worth passing on to the War Department. Reining his horse in, he dismounted and sat on a large stone by the roadside to compose the telegram Lincoln would receive that night. By the time he remounted to ride on, salutes were beginning to roar from Union batteries roundabout, and he sent word to have them stopped, not only because he feared the warlike racket might cause trouble between the victors and the vanquished, both of them still with weapons in their hands, but also because he considered it unfitting. “The war is over,” he told his staff. “The rebels are our countrymen again.”

 

[apdst]

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Then they should be on private property...not public property.

The property was donated by the city. Technically, the property didn't belong to the city.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

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Is it not strange and sad that Grant honor the southern troops surrendering to him and his men and yet there is now a wish to undo that honor and degrade those brave men and their leaders centuries later.

Men that by Grant light was fellow countrymen of his from the moment they surrender.

The south can have its monuments

Its soldiers can have its honor.

But the institution of slavery can not be ignored and the reason for the southern succession has to be recognized.

It is the idea of a "war of northern aggression" that needs to be scrapp

 

[Linc]

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Has nothing to do with my post
Non sequitur.

My fellow Democrats are too blind to see that the south, thanks to the GOP's southern strategy and the Dem's purity tests, has risen again through the ballot box.

The systemic advantages that the GOP now has in the south with voter suppression and gerrymandered maps is now reinforced by the Pence-Kobach commission and the sessions/trump DoJ.

The dims are now a permanent minority party, in spite of the demographic changes that foolish DEMs think will save them .

 

[Angel]

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American conservatives love their secessionists and secession. American conservatives love their Confederacy. It's a conservative thing almost exclusively.

Not sure what conservatism has to do with the post you ostensibly replied to, but if what you say is true, it may be because conservatives love liberty above all else. That would be my guess anyway.

 

[apdst]

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The south can have its monuments

Its soldiers can have its honor.

But the institution of slavery can not be ignored and the reason for the southern succession has to be recognized.

It is the idea of a "war of northern aggression" that needs to be scrapp

South haters should learn the difference between succession and secession.

 

[iguanaman]

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I think a country that desires to use violence to stop secession is worth rebelling against.

That mentality is what caused the South to suffer greatly and deservedly. UNITED States does not mean just some of them.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

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South haters should learn the difference between succession and secession.

My mistake.

I meant secession.

 

[apdst]

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My fellow Democrats are too blind to see that the south, thanks to the GOP's southern strategy and the Dem's purity tests, has risen again through the ballot box.

The systemic advantages that the GOP now has in the south with voter suppression and gerrymandered maps is now reinforced by the Pence-Kobach commission and the sessions/trump DoJ.

The dims are now a permanent minority party, in spite of the demographic changes that foolish DEMs think will save them .

What voter suppression are you referring to?

 

[apdst]

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My mistake.

I meant secession.

Now, you've been educated on the difference. You're welcome.

 

[apdst]

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That mentality is what caused the South to suffer greatly and deservedly. UNITED States does not mean just some of them.

Are you this miffed over the secession movement in California?

 

[iguanaman]

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Don't you think that interpretation a little simplistic to the point of missing almost every interesting question involved.

Not really. The only question I have is how the plantation culture has anything to do with America. It is what our founders were running away from in Europe. The Civil war was more like another Revolutionary war and the British thought so too.

 

[Tangmo]

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The elite of the South probably thought they had interests that conflicted so much with the demands of life in a union that they saw no way to compromise.

As much as conservatives love and approve of secession it is unacceptable. The Civil War proved and settled the issue. There's never been a referendum on it, either in a given state(s) or put nationally. Secession is a conservative wet dream. A recurring one.

The last dog of secession died and it died long ago. Live with it is what conservatives need to resign themselves to do.

 

[iguanaman]

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Are you this miffed over the secession movement in California?

More like amused....I do think they are right to ignore the Orange sphincter currently in the Whitehouse.

 

[Tigerace117]

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It wasn't really about appeasement. There were black southerners who supported the Confederacy and they fought keep to it. These facts are "irrelevant" to those who want to revise history and want only part of the story told.

But they were minuscule in number compared to the vast majority of black southerners who hated the confederacy and everything it stood for. Your comment is the equivelent of pointing out that there were Russians who thought Hitler was great and fought for him. Yes, that's technically true, but they were a tiny minority compared to the rest of the populace. And in the end, it doesn't change the facts.

 

[BillRM]

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Most of those confederate monuments didn't exist before Jim Crowe. So you don't need to back a hundred years...when there are still people alive today who lived through and remember the Jim Crowe era and why those monuments were put there.

Lee was a hero and have high standing in the south and to a degree in the north way before and after Jim Crowe time period.

His standing of respect was similar to the respect given by the allies during and after ww2 to the German General Rommel with the added factor that Lee did his best for the rest of his life to mend the wounds of the civil war.

 

[apdst]

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More like amused....I do think they are right to ignore the Orange sphincter currently in the Whitehouse.

There's that double standard. :lamo

You just justified the South's secession. They had the same exact irrational justification that you do.

 

[holbritter]

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Now New Orleans can finally start to heal from the wounds of the past.

A statue was stopping that? Ridiculous

 

[iguanaman]

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As much as conservatives love and approve of secession it is unacceptable. The Civil War proved and settled the issue. There's never been a referendum on it, either in a given state(s) or put nationally. Secession is a conservative wet dream. A recurring one.

The last dog of secession died and it died long ago. Live with it is what conservatives need to resign themselves to do.

Actually the Conservatives of today are showing that they are much like those secessionists....neither of them give a damn about what his country stands for or its history.

 

[Tigerace117]

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The "celebration" is all in the anachronistic Progressive mind. These monuments memorialize the war between the states. Guilt for something ancestors did is ****ing ridiculous, period.


You're correct. The war was fought over secession, and the South was in the right on this issue. Because the North won doesn't change that.

No, the celebration can be seen in the words and actions of white people throughout the south. "Progressives" have nothing to do with it.

The south seceded in the first place because they were terrified that their beloved slavery would be destroyed.

 

[iguanaman]

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A statue was stopping that? Ridiculous

No those statues made a mockery of the past. They were nothing but an elaborate hoax.

 

[apdst]

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Actually the Conservatives of today are showing that they are much like those secessionists....neither of them give a damn about what his country stands for or its history.

Says the party trying to overthrow a legitimately elected president.

 

[Tigerace117]

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Yet the Underground Railroad was quite large. There were many people that worked inside the network.

Many of whom were either former slaves themselves, immigrants, or people with "Unionist"(for lack of a better designating term) sympathies. None of those groups were really accepted by the southern mainstream culture.