Does the Bible Condone Slavery?

[RAMOSS]

Why are you always on the wrong side of the evidence?

You have a very distorted concept of 'wrong'.

 

[Logicman]

You have a very distorted concept of 'wrong'.

No, you do.

You're the one who, because you have denied God, has no objective basis for right and wrong.

 

[Rich2018]

Why are you always on the wrong side of the evidence?

He's not, there is no evidence for the Exodus.

Israeli scholars looked and couldn't find any.

 

[RAMOSS]

No, you do.

You're the one who, because you have denied God, has no objective basis for right and wrong.

Since you can not show that your specific God objectively exists, then you do not have an objective basis for right or wrong either.

 

[Rich2018]

Once again, you have zero evidence to back up your claim, while there is evidence the Exodus did happen.

Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus

https://www.bibleandscience.com/arc...nDBDv7qcxPrr5nAzxqM1KDTwMVNq_W1tddcxpxQ4_O8Qg

That is a religious web page.


There is NO evidence, historical or archaeological that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt in large numbers and escaped.


Ben Gurion, the founder of the modern state of Israel called "Exodus" the Title Deeds to Israel.


"... when David Ben-Gurion was Prime Minister of what he still called a secular state he called in Israeli archaeologists, professional guys, and said: ‘go out into the desert and dig up the title deeds to our state. You’ll find our legitimate…’ – that was instruction to the department of archaeology. They went, after they conquered Sinai and west bank, even further afield looking for some evidence Moses had ever been there… they didn’t find any..."


Had the Israelis found evidence of the Exodus they'd have plastered it all over the internet...all over archaeology.

They found nothing.

Today if you ask an Israeli biblical scholar for evidence of the Exodus, you're met with an embarrassed silence.

It just didn't happen. or at the very least, we have no evidence that it did.



https://tthurts.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/christopher-hitchens-a-very-conscious-message/

 

[Rich2018]

"...the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists...."


https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-1.5208519

 

[JustHanging]

Did you watch the video?

I did. The gentleman is either ignorant of what the bible says, or he is a liar, as he attempts to differentiate "modern" slavery compared to biblical slavery.

For example, the gentleman tries to say that slaves aren't captured from other nations:

Leviticus 25:44
New International Version
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."



And he tries to imply that biblical slavery was just about paying off debts. Tries to imply that slaves were treated were differently in biblical times, more kindly:

Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."


What a shame to see yet another Christian forced to defend their beliefs through lies and deceit.

 

[Daisy]

I did. The gentleman is either ignorant of what the bible says, or he is a liar, as he attempts to differentiate "modern" slavery compared to biblical slavery.

For example, the gentleman tries to say that slaves aren't captured from other nations:

Leviticus 25:44
New International Version
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."



And he tries to imply that biblical slavery was just about paying off debts. Tries to imply that slaves were treated were differently in biblical times, more kindly:

Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."


What a shame to see yet another Christian forced to defend their beliefs through lies and deceit.

You're a day late and a dollar short...already discussed...

 

[JustHanging]

Once again, you have zero evidence to back up your claim, while there is evidence the Exodus did happen.

Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus

https://www.bibleandscience.com/arc...nDBDv7qcxPrr5nAzxqM1KDTwMVNq_W1tddcxpxQ4_O8Qg

That is not a reputable site. AFAIK there is zero evidence of the exodus, which if you think about it make sense.

First, all the magical nonsense. God letting his genocidal nature show and magically murdering millions of children, creating plagues, etc.. And doing it to innocent people, hardening the pharoahs heart, because apparently Yahweh needed to go on a genocidal rampage. Maybe he hadn't smelled enough blood? Anyways, then he magically parts the Red Sea. Why wouldn't Yahweh just teleport the lot of them from where they were in Egypt to the other side of the Red Sea?


Second, how the hell can these people roam such a little ass desert for forty years? They would have to be idiots to get lost for forty years.

 

[JustHanging]

You're a day late and a dollar short...already discussed...

I took the time to read the entire thread, and couldn't find posts discussing why the gentleman in the video lied (or didn't know what the bible said) about the slavery discussed in the bible. Could you please direct me to the appropriate posts? Thanks.

 

[JustHanging]

No, you do.

You're the one who, because you have denied God, has no objective basis for right and wrong.

That is a ridiculous assertion. Watch:

Santa Claus told me I'm correct. You deny Santa Claus, so "you have no objective basis for right and wrong."


That's your argument, do you seriously think that makes sense?

 

[Cephus]

That is a ridiculous assertion. Watch:

Santa Claus told me I'm correct. You deny Santa Claus, so "you have no objective basis for right and wrong."


That's your argument, do you seriously think that makes sense?

You are talking to someone with no concept of what "sense" is.

 

[Logicman]

That is not a reputable site. AFAIK there is zero evidence of the exodus, which if you think about it make sense.

First, all the magical nonsense. God letting his genocidal nature show and magically murdering millions of children, creating plagues, etc.. And doing it to innocent people, hardening the pharoahs heart, because apparently Yahweh needed to go on a genocidal rampage. Maybe he hadn't smelled enough blood? Anyways, then he magically parts the Red Sea. Why wouldn't Yahweh just teleport the lot of them from where they were in Egypt to the other side of the Red Sea?

Second, how the hell can these people roam such a little ass desert for forty years? They would have to be idiots to get lost for forty years.

I disagree about the site. It's reputable.

40 in the Bible is the number of testing. Jesus was tested for 40 days, the Jews for 40 years in the desert, and all but 2 failed to make it into the promised land.

You should read the Torah and Joshua. Then you will understand why it took them 40 years. And they weren't lost.

 

[Logicman]

That is a ridiculous assertion. Watch:

Santa Claus told me I'm correct. You deny Santa Claus, so "you have no objective basis for right and wrong."


That's your argument, do you seriously think that makes sense?

You're confused, thinking Santa is an objective source of morality.

 

[Logicman]

(To Elvira)

And he tries to imply that biblical slavery was just about paying off debts. Tries to imply that slaves were treated were differently in biblical times, more kindly:

Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."


What a shame to see yet another Christian forced to defend their beliefs through lies and deceit.

Have you ever done a serious study on slavery in the Bible, or just a superficial reading?

Slavery in the Bible was usually one of three things:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.

2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.

3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

And from my studies, that's it.

 

[Logicman]

"...the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists...."


https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-1.5208519

Additional Evidence for the Exodus

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/exodus/exodus-fact-or-fiction/

 

[JustHanging]

You're confused, thinking Santa is an objective source of morality.

Why isn't Santa Claus just as much an objective source of morality as Yahweh?

 

[JustHanging]

I disagree about the site. It's reputable.

Not it's not. There's no actual evidence given., it's just a bunch of ad hoc reasoning to justify their beliefs.

40 in the Bible is the number of testing. Jesus was tested for 40 days, the Jews for years in the desert, and all but 2 failed to make it into the promised land.

So what you're saying is that they made that part of the story internally coherent. Whoopie. Have you read Harry Potter? They use the spell Wingardium Leviosa to make things levitate on numerous occasions. According to your logic, Wingardium Leviosa is a real magical spell.

 

[Logicman]

Not it's not. There's no actual evidence given., it's just a bunch of ad hoc reasoning to justify their beliefs.

That and the Biblical accounts beat the heck out of what you have to the contrary.

So what you're saying is that they made that part of the story internally coherent. Whoopie. Have you read Harry Potter? They use the spell Wingardium Leviosa to make things levitate on numerous occasions. According to your logic, Wingardium Leviosa is a real magical spell.

Then go for it, and see how that works out for you at the Judgment.

 

[Logicman]

Why isn't Santa Claus just as much an objective source of morality as Yahweh?

You know, every week a new debater shows up in these Bible-related threads and pretends to be a wizzard and know-it-all of what's going on with the Bible, when they haven't done their homework. I know you haven't done your homework if you have to trot out a far-fetched post like the one above.

 

[JustHanging]

That and the Biblical accounts beat the heck out of what you have to the contrary.

No it doesn't. You're making the claim, you need to provide the evidence. So far...nothing.

Then go for it, and see how that works out for you at the Judgment.

LOL, oh noes, another Christian forced to retreat to making threats of eternal torture. Gotta love your bible eh.

Actually I'm in a lot better position than you. Thousands of gods have been posited, and you're committed. Your odds of being correct are thousands to one against. And if there is one thing we know, most gods hate it when you worship a different god. So you're almost certainly doomed to eternal torture.

I, on the other hand, remain uncommitted. When I die, if I have to go before a god, I can explain that none were convincing, but I'll believe in them now. I'm sure that god will be cool with that, and I'll be spending my life living in the equivalent of heaven, while you suffer through eternal torture.

Sorry.

 

[Logicman]

No it doesn't. You're making the claim, you need to provide the evidence. So far...nothing.

LOL, oh noes, another Christian forced to retreat to making threats of eternal torture. Gotta love your bible eh.

Actually I'm in a lot better position than you. Thousands of gods have been posited, and you're committed. Your odds of being correct are thousands to one against. And if there is one thing we know, most gods hate it when you worship a different god. So you're almost certainly doomed to eternal torture.

I, on the other hand, remain uncommitted. When I die, if I have to go before a god, I can explain that none were convincing, but I'll believe in them now. I'm sure that god will be cool with that, and I'll be spending my life living in the equivalent of heaven, while you suffer through eternal torture.

Sorry.

In your dreams.

 

[JustHanging]

You know, every week a new debater shows up in these Bible-related threads and pretends to be a wizzard and know-it-all of what's going on with the Bible,

What? Please show me where I "pretended to be a wizzard and know-it-all of what's going on with the Bible,"

Why would you make such an ad hominem attack?

when they haven't done their homework. I know you haven't done your homework if you have to trot out a far-fetched post like the one above.

What homework? I've read the entire bible if that's what you mean. I'm sorry you are unable to put together a coherent argument to refute my points, perhaps you should pray to your god for help beating the heathen?


Please give a coherent argument as to why Santa can't be the source of objective morality but Yahweh can.

 

[JustHanging]

In your dreams.

Well yeah, that's the whole point. Nobody knows what's coming, to pretend otherwise is silly.

But if there is a god, I'm in one hell of a lot better position than you. You're almost certainly getting tortured for all eternity, the odds are literally thousands to one against you escaping this fate. Sucks to be you.

 

[JustHanging]

In your dreams.

So do you agree that Yahweh condones slavery, and that the bible proves it?