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Does God put any more or less.......

Elvira said:
The were put in Nazi concentration camps, yet they refused to take up arms...some lived, some died, but they held their integrity...
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And you ignore my point, as usual.
 
devildavid said:
Well, you probably wouldn't be living in this country if that were the case. And that means your religion would never have been invented. And that god's plan to make a blood sacrifice of his son would have failed.
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lol...my faith would prevail, regardless...
 
Elvira said:
The were put in Nazi concentration camps, yet they refused to take up arms...some lived, some died, but they held their integrity...
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As an Atheist, I'd rather sacrifice my integrity than my life.

You have only one.
 
Rich2018 said:
As an Atheist, I'd rather sacrifice my integrity than my life.

You have only one.
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"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it." Mark 8:35
 
Elvira said:
I got your point and it is bogus, as usual...

"If God is for us, who will be against us?" Romans 8:31
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If everyone dies for their faith, their religion dies with them.
 
Elvira said:
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it." Mark 8:35
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Yes that's the promise

I don't believe it. Neither should you.
 
Logician Man said:
So a German and an American are standing face to face in WW2, both armed and both wanting to shoot the other first in order to survive, and both praying to the same God that the other gets the short end of the stick. Does Jesus favor one's prayer over the other, roll his eyes, or do something else ? Kinda hard to be nice when someone is praying and aiming their weapon to kill, wouldn't you agree ? IOWs, the prayers aren't about revenge, the prayers are about survival.
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You don't understand.

Jesus loves both men so he'd want them to put down their guns and hug each other.
 
swing_voter said:
You don't understand.

Jesus loves both men so he'd want them to put down their guns and hug each other.
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If that is truly what Jesus would want, why doesn't he simply make that happen ? Is he not Omnipotent ?
 
Logician Man said:
If that is truly what Jesus would want, why doesn't he simply make that happen ? Is he not Omnipotent ?
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He has a time table, LM...evidently that time has not come yet...
 
Logician Man said:
If that is truly what Jesus would want, why doesn't he simply make that happen ? Is he not Omnipotent ?
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Now you've move the goal posts.

It's another mystery that no one except God knows the answer to. There have been a lot of theories over the years and I encourage you to look at them yourself, youtube has many videos on the subject. My take on it, is that God allows us to have free will so he's reluctant to intervene. It's like you're raising a child. Are you a strict parent who never lets the child leave the house, or do you give your child freedom even if part of that freedom is making mistakes?

The Bible is made up of testimony by people. It's not perfect, at least to me, but it's all the material we have on Jesus' life.

I have this discussion with atheists all the time. At some point I'll tell it that faith is required. Faith is "you either believe or you don't, and I choose to believe."

And if you stick around, we'll talk about whether or not we're all living in a simulation.
 
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swing_voter said:
Now you've move the goal posts.

It's another mystery that no one except God knows the answer to. There have been a lot of theories over the years and I encourage you to look at them yourself, youtube has many videos on the subject. My take on it, is that God allows us to have free will so he's reluctant to intervene. It's like you're raising a child. Are you a strict parent who never lets the child leave the house, or do you give your child freedom even if part of that freedom is making mistakes?

The Bible is made up of testimony by people. It's not perfect, at least to me, but it's all the material we have on Jesus' life.

I have this discussion with atheists all the time. At some point I'll tell it that faith is required. Faith is "you either believe or you don't, and I choose to believe."

And if you stick around, we'll talk about whether or not we're all living in a simulation.
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You are putting the cart before the horse. Thete is no proof for the existence of this god.
 
Logician Man said:
I would think that would the fair thing to do Bear, but what about this hypothetical. What if a good, peace loving Christian is praying for ill will against a good,peace loving Muslim, while at the same time, the Muslim is also praying for ill will against that Christian. Doesn't that create a paradox of sorts, if the One God is fair and just ?
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In that case, the answer to both might be "no".
 
Integrityrespec said:
I think the answer lies in the fact that there is only one God. When you pray, if you pray, are you praying to the right one.
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If there's only one God, all prayers to to the the same destination, regardless of the address.
 
bearpoker said:
In that case, the answer to both might be "no".
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Is that not the case with all conflicts/wars? Who's side does God take? I would say neither...
 
bearpoker said:
If there's only one God, all prayers to to the the same destination, regardless of the address.
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Even if your prayer is to a false god...would the true God still hear? I don't think so...why else would He have warned the Israelite nation not to be influenced by the nations around them that worshiped false gods? He considered it idolatry...something detestable to Him...Leviticus 18:24-30; Deuteronomy 12:29-31...
 
The fact that there is one god? The belief that there is one god would be more accurate. Hindus would disagree.
 
swing_voter said:
..God allows us to have free will so he's reluctant to intervene. It's like you're raising a child. Are you a strict parent who never lets the child leave the house, or do you give your child freedom even if part of that freedom is making mistakes?
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And that includes the loss of innocent life on a global scales

Elvira never would answer because her church hasn't given her one, why did god create cancerous cells? Why did he create River Blindness, leprosy, AIDS, Smallpox, plagues, Influenza etc etc ?


The Bible's information is insufficient to overcome the burden of proof the goes with the claim that there's a god. Indeed if anything it disproves it.


The Bible is made up of testimony by people. It's not perfect, at least to me, but it's all the material we have on Jesus' life.

I have this discussion with atheists all the time. At some point I'll tell it that faith is required. Faith is "you either believe or you don't, and I choose to believe."

And if you stick around, we'll talk about whether or not we're all living in a simulation.[/QUOTE]
 
Given the fact that gods do not exist........
 
swing_voter said:
Now you've move the goal posts.

It's another mystery that no one except God knows the answer to. There have been a lot of theories over the years and I encourage you to look at them yourself, youtube has many videos on the subject. My take on it, is that God allows us to have free will so he's reluctant to intervene. It's like you're raising a child. Are you a strict parent who never lets the child leave the house, or do you give your child freedom even if part of that freedom is making mistakes?

The Bible is made up of testimony by people. It's not perfect, at least to me, but it's all the material we have on Jesus' life.

I have this discussion with atheists all the time. At some point I'll tell it that faith is required. Faith is "you either believe or you don't, and I choose to believe."

And if you stick around, we'll talk about whether or not we're all living in a simulation.
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What mistakes do children make in order for god to inflict them with cancer? I would never do that to a child. Your god is evil.
 
zyzygy said:
What mistakes do children make in order for god to inflict them with cancer? I would never do that to a child. Your god is evil.
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Man has created cancer, along with many other diseases, with his pollution of soil, air and water...man-made chemicals abound...so stop blaming God for what man has done...
 
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