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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

prometeus said:
Because you can not support what you assert.

So do you because hypocrisy and lies is all you have.
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Please refer to post #1344

I'm not interested in your opinion.

If you can quote a source of anyone who agrees with you, post it. Until the recognize it is just your own ignorant opinion, that every source disagrees with.
 
prometeus said:
I am not interested in your lies and diversions.
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You are not interested in debate, just screaming your own (ignorant) opinions.

As stated, your personal opinion is worthless.

Now quote sources who back you or shut up.
 
prometeus said:
As is yours.
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Actually yes

That's why I back mine up with sources, Indeed in matter of legal decision, I don't state my opinion over more qualified people. Merely I summarize their comments and arguments



You first.
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There's three, now your turn.
 
James972 said:
Sure it does by restricting our government to a very few enumerated powers.
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absolutely not. the constitution is a triumph of liberalism and the founders were the liberals of their day. a true liberal begins with NO government and then builds the least restrictive and interfering gov. possible. the founders were true liberals.
 
It is the right wing who complain the most about "liberalism" yet ignore the scope of authority for the power of our Government. We have a general welfare clause not any form of general warfare clause.
 
So this is put to bed.

The Constitution advances liberalism and its objectives

The size of the government has no relation to how liberal/conservative it is.
 
No, it doesn't. Our welfare clause is General and must cover any given contingency; all it should require is plain reason and legal axioms.
 
danielpalos said:
No, it doesn't. Our welfare clause is General and must cover any given contingency; all it should require is plain reason and legal axioms.
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The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States of America. The Constitution, originally comprising seven articles, delineates the national frame of government.
 
The constitution is just a catchy word for the Right. It means whatever they want it to on the day and provides the excuse for any excess. Therefore any ideology or political bent or personal preference they disagree with becomes 'unconstitutional'.
 
uptower said:
The constitution is just a catchy word for the Right. It means whatever they want it to on the day and provides the excuse for any excess. Therefore any ideology or political bent or personal preference they disagree with becomes 'unconstitutional'.
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Of course it helps if the Supreme Court has RW bias.
 
I'm going to go against the grain and say that the Constitution does, in a way, outlaw liberalism. There is nothing in the Constitution that promotes limited government, it ultimately creates a powerful federal government. Individual liberties are also limited based on the constitution as there are clauses such as the "general welfare clause" which helps the federal government trample individual rights if needed. There's a reason that there was intense opposition to the constitution and the need for Hamilton, Jay and Madison to write the Federalist Papers.
 
Publius said:
I'm going to go against the grain and say that the Constitution does, in a way, outlaw liberalism. There is nothing in the Constitution that promotes limited government, it ultimately creates a powerful federal government. Individual liberties are also limited based on the constitution as there are clauses such as the "general welfare clause" which helps the federal government trample individual rights if needed. There's a reason that there was intense opposition to the constitution and the need for Hamilton, Jay and Madison to write the Federalist Papers.
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What activities does the Constitution outlaw that you perceive as liberal objectives ?
 
What I wanted to say was that the Constitution doesn't promote liberalism (as soon as I posted my comment the word "promote" came to me). If it promoted liberalism would we even need a Bill of Rights? Our property can be seized by the federal gov. (4th amendment) and we can be taxed to an almost unlimited degree. The federal government can even control free trade between states under the Commerce Clause. Again, a strong federal government was created that limits liberalism and most certainly does not promote it.
 
Publius said:
What I wanted to say was that the Constitution doesn't promote liberalism (as soon as I posted my comment the word "promote" came to me). If it promoted liberalism would we even need a Bill of Rights? Our property can be seized by the federal gov. (4th amendment) and we can be taxed to an almost unlimited degree. The federal government can even control free trade between states under the Commerce Clause. Again, a strong federal government was created that limits liberalism and most certainly does not promote it.
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What would be a promotion of liberalism ?


The Constitution, coupled with the Bill of Rights, entirely promotes liberal values.
 
I backed myself into a corner on that one! My final question is this: can the creation of a strong federal government truly promote liberalism?
 
I’d cite the Supremacy Clause (Article 6 Clause 2) as criteria for a strong government. The Supreme Court has even decided that any action that stands as an obstacle to the federal government doing its job is null and void.
 
To me, liberalism and freedom means, choosing between right and wrong, not just do whatever I like,
 
Nap said:
Depends on your definition of Liberalism, the constitution is based on the fundamental principals of Liberalism from the age of enlightenment.
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Liberalising is simply the choice between right and wrong, not do whatever you like !
 
A person who is free to choose between right and wrong, NOTHING ELSE
 
Publius said:
I’d cite the Supremacy Clause (Article 6 Clause 2) as criteria for a strong government. The Supreme Court has even decided that any action that stands as an obstacle to the federal government doing its job is null and void.
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But what counts as an obstacle to the government doing its job is open to debate.
 
Observer said:
To me, liberalism and freedom means, choosing between right and wrong, not just do whatever I like,
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Liberalism is not about right and wrong.

Who is top say which is which?

Liberalism, is the removal of restrictions.
 
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