Does archaeology Prove or Disprove stories in the Old Testament (Tanakh)?

[bomberfox]

Not to mention geology, biology, and population dynamics completely destroys the global flood myth and Noah’s story

 

[RAMOSS]

Fun question to ponder. Anyone ever wonder why jews dont believe Jesus was the messaiah?

Not at all. I can give a huge list if you want. The story about Jesus shows he does meet either the qualification or the expectations for the Jewish faith.

 

[Daisy]

Hebrew scriptures would have read Yaweh, not Jehovah. Jehovah is a later mistranslation.

Actually, the tetragrammaton...יהוה may be translated into English as YHWH or JHVH....there were no vowels in the original language... “Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars...

 

[Omega Man]

Fun question to ponder. Anyone ever wonder why jews dont believe Jesus was the messaiah?

Because he's not King Hezekiah?


OM

 

[bomberfox]

Actually, the tetragrammaton...יהוה may be translated into English as YHWH or JHVH....there were no vowels in the original language... “Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars...

Jehovah is a latinization of the hebrew texts, not really the original name used by hebrew speakers which is what i referred to. I dont have any arguments against the lack of vowels though.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

As the linked article from Haaretz says: "The founding fathers of Israeli archaeology explicitly set out with the Bible in one hand and a pick in the other, seeking findings from the biblical eras, as part of the Zionist project. But as excavations progressed in the 1970s and 1980s, rather than substantiation, what began to pile up was contradictions."

The New and Old Testament did not get some things wrong... They got everything wrong...

Every single claim they make that would have left a mark, did not leave a mark..

DNA would show if all of humanity was spawned by Noah’s family committing incest..


There is not enough water to flood all the landmass.. even if all ice melted.


There is no record of the flood...

7 day creation has the sun and stars AFTER the plants LMAO!


So it is not an issue of scientists finding holes in Christianity’s account of the creation of the universe.... NOTHING in Christianity’s account matches.. at all


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Not at all. I can give a huge list if you want. The story about Jesus shows he does meet either the qualification or the expectations for the Jewish faith.

More than that, and to the heart of the argument for Jewish people..

The OT says repeatedly (like a couple thousand times maybe) , first person and unambiguously, from “father to son” ,

“Always obey my laws and never change them”..

In a few of those thousand or so examples it even specifically says,

“If anyone ever tries to change my laws. They are lying.. you just keep on obeying my laws!”



A) So you have Jesus who in NO WAY fit the Jewish requirements for a messiah, in fact he literally fulfilled the opposite of those requirements..


Jesus did not free the Hebrews from the yoke of Rome.. he was publicly humiliated and tortured to death for insurrection ( that doesn’t mean he was trying to lead a civil rebellion, but that is what they executed him for regardless)..


B) The Jewish religion does not even have a son of god predicted..

C) Christianity and Judaism are STRUCTURALLY DIFFERENT..

Jews have no heaven or hell and they believe works>faith..


D) the fact the OT repeatedly says “do not make any changes” and what is Jesus’s only purpose in coming??

To make changes.. lmao


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Daisy]

Not at all. I can give a huge list if you want. The story about Jesus shows he does meet either the qualification or the expectations for the Jewish faith.

He sure does...

 

[Logicman]

The bible is the claim, not the evidence.

The Gospels are recorded history, not just a claim.

 

[Logicman]

You appear to be unfamiliar with the definition of the word "corroborated".

Hint: The Gospels are still an ideological assertion; nothing whatsoever resembling "corroborated".

That's your opinion.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The Gospels are recorded history, not just a claim.

They are a transparently flimsy unsupported tale, like your contributions

 

[Logicman]

A) So you have Jesus who in NO WAY fit the Jewish requirements for a messiah, in fact he literally fulfilled the opposite of those requirements..


Jesus did not free the Hebrews from the yoke of Rome..

You conveniently ignore the 2nd Coming, when the remainder of the Messianic prophecies are expected to be fulfilled.

B) The Jewish religion does not even have a son of god predicted..

Yes, it does. Scriptural examples in the following link: Son of God in the Old Testament - Biblical Missiology

C) Christianity and Judaism are STRUCTURALLY DIFFERENT..

Jews have no heaven or hell and they believe works>faith..

What is the name of the place in Daniel 12:2 where "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt?

Also, Judaism and Christianity both teach righteousness by faith in God (Genesis 15:6; Ephesians 2:8-9).

 

[bomberfox]

The Gospels are recorded history, not just a claim.

They arent. They are the claim that has a burden of proof. Noah’s ark story is clearly an allegory at best.

 

[ecofarm]

They arent. They are the claim that has a burden of proof. Noah’s ark story is clearly an allegory at best.

There was likely a regional flood and the preservation of farm animals despite the recent advent of agriculture.

 

[RAMOSS]

The Gospels are recorded history, not just a claim.

That is your unsupported claim.

 

[Somerville]

How many times has the Second Coming failed to appear? How many times have the End Times been predicted and failed to occur?

Here's a couple lists of Doomsday Predictions"

Oops! 11 Failed Doomsday Predictions

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries.

Little research has been done into why people make apocalyptic predictions.[4] Historically, it has been done for reasons such as diverting attention from actual crises like poverty and war, pushing political agendas, and promoting hatred of certain groups; antisemitism was a popular theme of Christian apocalyptic predictions in medieval times,[5] while French and Lutheran depictions of the apocalypse were known to feature English and Catholic antagonists respectively.[6]

4: Yuhas, Daisy (December 18, 2012). "Psychology Reveals the Comforts of the Apocalypse". Scientific American. Archived from the original on April 25, 2018.
5: Fessensden, Marissa (September 8, 2015). "People Have Always Been Obsessed with the End of the World". Smithsonian. Archived from the original on April 25, 2018.
6: "Apocalypse now: our incessant desire to picture the end of the world". The Conversation. August 25, 2015. Archived from the original on May 16, 2018.

The United States of America is supposedly a 'developed nation' with a well-educated citizenry, yet the percentage of Americans who believe the End Times will take place in the near future is the same as the percent of Turks (majority Muslim) who believe the same thing. "Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages ranging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. (. . .) Only 3% of Britons thought the end would be caused by the Last Judgement, compared to 16% of Americans."

In an attempt to be balanced - which I am not - here are predictions from the right's favourite 'news' source denigrating all us "socialists" and deluded liberals.
10 times 'experts' predicted the world would end by now


NOW, that I too have sinned and posted nonsense that is totally unrelated to the thread's topic - PLEASE, can we get back to the topic -- Does archaeology Prove or Disprove stories in the Old Testament (Tanakh)?

 

[Daisy]

They arent. They are the claim that has a burden of proof. Noah’s ark story is clearly an allegory at best.

Jesus didn't think so...

"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." Matthew 24:37-39

 

[Logicman]

They arent. They are the claim that has a burden of proof. Noah’s ark story is clearly an allegory at best.

Show me your BEST ONE - 1, just ONE, example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels. Cite the pertinent scripture #'s and provide your evidence why it's fictitious.

 

[Logicman]

How many times has the Second Coming failed to appear? How many times have the End Times been predicted and failed to occur?

Here's a couple lists of Doomsday Predictions"

That's sophomoric. Just because some people don't have a good grasp of scripture in making predictions, doesn't mean the Bible itself is wrong.

Why were previous attempts to predict the Second Coming in error? Because they failed to take into account events that had to occur first. And I'll give you two for starters:

1. The antichrist has to come first before the Second Coming. That hasn't happened yet, nor have a number of things the antichrist is prophesied to do happened yet.

2. The third Jewish Temple has to be built.

There's others too but those for starters.

Nice try, though.

 

[Logicman]

That is your unsupported claim.

Go tell it to your canary. He might believe you.

 

[Daisy]

How many times has the Second Coming failed to appear? How many times have the End Times been predicted and failed to occur?

Here's a couple lists of Doomsday Predictions"

Oops! 11 Failed Doomsday Predictions

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events

The United States of America is supposedly a 'developed nation' with a well-educated citizenry, yet the percentage of Americans who believe the End Times will take place in the near future is the same as the percent of Turks (majority Muslim) who believe the same thing. "Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages ranging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. (. . .) Only 3% of Britons thought the end would be caused by the Last Judgement, compared to 16% of Americans."

In an attempt to be balanced - which I am not - here are predictions from the right's favourite 'news' source denigrating all us "socialists" and deluded liberals.
10 times 'experts' predicted the world would end by now


NOW, that I too have sinned and posted nonsense that is totally unrelated to the thread's topic - PLEASE, can we get back to the topic -- Does archaeology Prove or Disprove stories in the Old Testament (Tanakh)?

Yes, people make the mistake of thinking they can predict...

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24:36

But Jesus did give us signs...sure these things have always occurred, but here the difference is, not all within one generation...

“Look out that nobody misleads you, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Matthew 24:4-8

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." Matthew 24:34

 

[RAMOSS]

Go tell it to your canary. He might believe you.

That is the level of support of your claims,,, which is zero.

 

[bomberfox]

There was likely a regional flood and the preservation of farm animals despite the recent advent of agriculture.

True. A lot of people that take the world flood story as real tend to point to the many other flood myths but what they fail to grasp is several cultures can have a theme in common in their religious stories or literature. Dragons come to mind. Those types of myths exist the world over yet dragons never existed, also there is the fact that cultures borrow folk tales from others all the time and have done so all throughout history. Its likely the story of Noah borrowed from other flood myths like the epic of gilgamesh (even though gilgamesh’s arc was more rectangular in shape). I would argue that the preservation of farm animals would not have lasted long if we only went by the two by two method as that is just too few to maintain survivability.

 

[bomberfox]

Jesus didn't think so...

"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." Matthew 24:37-39

Do you understand what a claim is? The bible is not the evidence, it is the claim.

 

[bomberfox]

Show me your BEST ONE - 1, just ONE, example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels. Cite the pertinent scripture #'s and provide your evidence why it's fictitious.

Noah’s arc and the worldwide flood. It never happened.