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Does anyone not "get",.... Fox News

It is alarming because its lies and distortions are becoming a serious danger to American democracy.

Yep, on paper its not a government news service but in practice it behaves that way. Burying anti-Trump stories for example is unconscionable for a true reporter.
 
Since I have complained about it endlessly here, I should note that CNN and MSNBC have stopped referring to everything under the Conspiracy/Collusion umbrella as Collusion and has finally begun to call it like it is.

Conspiracy is a crime for which a Prosecutor can Indict to Prosecution and the bar to make a Conspiracy case is very high. Collusion is not a crime that a Prosecutor can Indict any American Citizen for including the President. Collusion is something a President can be Impeached for but is not something anybody can be Indicted for. Month after month after month, Cable News has referred to the Mueller Probe as "looking for Collusion" when there was utterly no reason to assume that he was. Finally, FINALLY at least two of the Cable News channels are distinguishing between the two. i cannot tell you how many times I wanted to pull my hair out hearing this nonsense. Why do you think we had newspapers printing big headlines "NO COLLUSION" after the Barr Letter was released.

So I would suggest that there is at least one glimmer of light.

A glimmer of light? From the 'news' (political propaganda) media?

I suppose after 2+ years of constant "Russia! Russia! Russia!" and "Collusion! Collusion! Collusion!" that they've stopped this nonsense is a light of sorts.

However, now that they've now pivoted to "Obstruction! Obstruction! Obstruction!" or "Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!" with no more facts to support these accusation than before, shows that it's still very dark; that they are still in darkness, groping around, and have not acknowledged their media malpractice, their propagandizing or even a modicum of introspection.

Just how long is the 'news' (political propaganda) media going to continue this? This self destructiveness? Their credibility is already in the toilet, how much lower can they denigrate themselves? I guess we'll see.
 
It is alarming because its lies and distortions are becoming a serious danger to American democracy.

I see you've also watches all the other channels like CNN and MSNBC, recognized them for what they are. OK. Good on you. ;)
 
I'll give FOX News credit for having a few people who are honest about Trump.

Shepherd Smith
Chris Wallace
Neil Cavuto

But overall, it's clearly a propaganda machine. A news organization shouldn't be tied in this way to the government.

Indeed.

I have great respect for Chris Wallace. You really don't get the impression that he's easy on anyone and asks the tough questions. Good on him. I heard / read that he leans left. I'm certainly grateful that he doesn't give any indication of such during his interviews.

His example is what all the news channels presenters should aspire to become, and how they should aspire to conduct themselves. The gulf between that, and what passes for news is the real problem.

Neil Cavuto is a straight shooter as they come.

Given the time Sheppard is on, I rarely watch him, so I'm not going to say yeah nor nay.
 
Oh come on. It’s ridiculous to even try to make this out to be some kind of equivalence. There is none. No other network has been sued, by its own reporters, for being forced to distort facts or just deliberately lie, like Fox News has.

This is a little like saying Trump’s 8000+ vicious, malicious, malignant lies to date, meant to incite fear, hatred, suspicion, mistrust, division, and bigotry, is exactly the same thing as Obama’s “lie” when once, in trying to improve the healthcare of the country, he said “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”.

Come on man. At some point a little shame is a good thing.

Now see...the fact that you could actually spout that drivel as if you believe it is proof positive of my statement.

Seriously...do you actually believe what you just said?
 
Oh come on. It’s ridiculous to even try to make this out to be some kind of equivalence. There is none. No other network has been sued, by its own reporters, for being forced to distort facts or just deliberately lie, like Fox News has.

This is a little like saying Trump’s 8000+ vicious, malicious, malignant lies to date, meant to incite fear, hatred, suspicion, mistrust, division, and bigotry, is exactly the same thing as Obama’s “lie” when once, in trying to improve the healthcare of the country, he said “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”.

Come on man. At some point a little shame is a good thing.

Thanks, i needed a chuckle. You a CNN fan?:lamo
 
Thank God for the MSM is right, I agree.

I never in my life thought twice about the press until the last 2 years. Now I realize how important they are, courageous.


The press, love them or not, are the only thing that stands between democracy and tyranny.

Such a simple concept is entirely lost on the right.
 
No...they are not important, unless you cannot function without listening to their talking potato heads.


Do not conflate the press with talking potato heads. Unless, of course, you cannot tell the difference. Ahh, that's it.
 
Do not conflate the press with talking potato heads. Unless, of course, you cannot tell the difference. Ahh, that's it.

Nowadays there IS no difference. Not when those who "report" the news also spout off with their own personal two cents about the news. The reporters are also talking potato heads.
 
CNN and MSNBC are absolutely propaganda... :lol:


Repubs see real propaganda as news, and see news as propaganda. Up is down, black is white.

It's a sibling of a mentality that would shout, "Dems hate jews". If they believe lies like that, then lies can propagate in republican circles, like algae in a stagnate lake.

If this were not true, Fox "news" could not exist. Shows like Hannity are tabloid TV.

There is no way in hell anyone can say that about Rachel Maddow.
 
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Nowadays there IS no difference. Not when those who "report" the news also spout off with their own personal two cents about the news. The reporters are also talking potato heads.



You're conflating NBC, CBS, etc, with cable.

news is on the public broadcast stations, and opinions are on cable. There might be sections, just as a newspaper has an opinion section, where network news have pundits, but it's nothing like that which is dispensed on cable, and this is widely known.

Just because it says "news" on cable, you know you are getting news mixed with commentary, some shows a lot more than others.

Why? Because cable is more market oriented. That's what markets do to "news", they put up what people want to hear and see.

Repubs just want tabloid quality bash-the-left. This is why shows like Hannity and Infowars get popular with the right. That's their mentality.

The left wants hard hitting exposés of the right ( and anyone/thing who deserves it) based on facts. If the right seems to want it, you can kiss facts and the concept of the greater truth goodbye. A classic example is how Hannity, for months, harped on a Hillary sold uranium to Russians conspiracy theory that was widely debunked, and continued to do it despite this fact. He also did this on other stories, as well.

On the major networks, at least it was historically, the news was seen as a public service, and was not there to make much money, per se,
for shareholders as possible, though they did compete, and they did want to make money, but just not with the crass merchantilism that is on cable news.
 
You're conflating NBC, CBS, etc, with cable.

news is on the public broadcast stations, and opinions are on cable. There might be sections, just as a newspaper has an opinion section, where network news have pundits, but it's nothing like that which is dispensed on cable, and this is widely known.

Just because it says "news" on cable, you know you are getting news mixed with commentary, some shows a lot more than others.

Why? Because cable is more market oriented. That's what markets do to "news", they put up what people want to hear and see.

Repubs just want tabloid quality bash-the-left. This is why shows like Hannity and Infowars get popular with the right. That's their mentality.

The left wants hard hitting exposés of the right ( and anyone/thing who deserves it) based on facts. If the right seems to want it, you can kiss facts and the concept of the greater truth goodbye. A classic example is how Hannity, for months, harped on a Hillary sold uranium to Russians conspiracy theory that was widely debunked, and continued to do it despite this fact. He also did this on other stories, as well.

On the major networks, at least it was historically, the news was seen as a public service, and was not there to make much money, per se,
for shareholders as possible, though they did compete, and they did want to make money, but just not with the crass merchantilism that is on cable news.

LOL!!

Keep telling yourself this nonsense.

It doesn't matter. Cable, broadcast, news reporting, opinion shows...it is ALL propaganda, either from talking heads or from the stories chosen to present...or not present.

Tell me...did any of your favorite news programs tell you that Rep. Meadows has been releasing congressional testimony transcripts lately? Do you know WHO'S testimony has been released? Do you know what they said in their testimony?

I'm guessing those "news" shows haven't. Maybe you can tell me they did.
 
Repubs see real propaganda as news, and see news as propaganda. Up is down, black is white.

It's a sibling of a mentality that would shout, "Dems hate jews". If they believe lies like that, then lies can propagate in republican circles, like algae in a stagnate lake.

If this were not true, Fox "news" could not exist. Shows like Hannity are tabloid TV.

There is no way in hell anyone can say that about Rachel Maddow.

Fox is more blatent about their slant. Anybody not recognizing the same, perhaps more subtle slant, of CNN or MSNBC is a blind fool.
 
Why? Because cable is more market oriented. That's what markets do to "news", they put up what people want to hear and see.

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Not Fox News at inception.

Fox was established as a republican propaganda network. It was not expected to make money. That was a pleasant surprise.

This is not true of any other major cable news network.
 
Does anyone not "get" that Fox News is a straight propaganda outlet for the Trump campaign?

Honest question. Anyone that naive, brainwashed or stupid?

Just changing the channels everytime I go by Fox News it's an infomercial for TRump.

People, this is not good.

Fox viewers are already brainwashed, so this is pointless. And you can tell by the flood of all the same idiotic one liners and dumb deflection, and the complete lack of any intelligent argument
 
And ALL of the other networks are a propaganda outlet for Trump hatred.

Welcome to the current state of the Mainstream Media.

Instead of just changing the channels every time you go by Fox News...just turn your TV off.

That's the idiotic right wing logic. The entire world but Fox is biased against them. All of science, all media, all universities, education centers, etc. it shows where the real bias is, in Fox news an the bull**** the right wing clings to. And its proven to be true every day when they can't defend their positions with facts, logic and reasoning. Just deflections and making statements with nothing to back it up

That's why Fox has such high ratings, right wingers like to flood to the propaganda. They even brag about the Fox ratings, like tha'ts a good thing. Meanwhile, liberals get their information from numerous sources. So they pathetically try to deflect to accuse liberals of things they are guilty of 100%.

It's always the same, make a dumb statement (or just copy some hacks statement) and deflect with dumb one liners. Proving they have nothing
 
Does anyone not "get" that Fox News is a straight propaganda outlet for the Trump campaign?

Honest question. Anyone that naive, brainwashed or stupid?

Just changing the channels everytime I go by Fox News it's an infomercial for TRump.

People, this is not good.

FOX, MXNBC, CNN, etc......does anyone not get that they are all biased party mouth pieces?
 
I'll give FOX News credit for having a few people who are honest about Trump.

Shepherd Smith
Chris Wallace
Neil Cavuto

But overall, it's clearly a propaganda machine. A news organization shouldn't be tied in this way to the government.

Its not just fox, Sinclair Group is flooding local news channels with right wing propaganda. Having the people doing the news read right wing propaganda on air, and they bought up many more. But most rural folks don't care, they live in their little bubbles where everybody is fake and they all blow smoke up their ass, and they are clueless about the word outside of bumble****
 
fox viewers are already brainwashed, so this is pointless. And you can tell by the flood of all the same idiotic one liners and dumb deflection, and the complete lack of any intelligent argument

cable news race
wed., march 27, 2019

foxnews hannity 4,303,000
foxnews tucker 3,485,000
foxnews ingraham 3,268,000
msnbc maddow 2,678,000
foxnews the five 2,640,000
foxnews baier 2,179,000
msnbc o'donnell 2,069,000
msnbc hayes 1,674,000
msnbc hardball 1,465,000
cnn cuomo 900,000
cnn cooper 865,000
 
Fox viewers are already brainwashed, so this is pointless. And you can tell by the flood of all the same idiotic one liners and dumb deflection, and the complete lack of any intelligent argument

That's funny.
If you do a search on "Fox viewers are brainwashed" you'll get a bunch of hits pointing to screwball far left sites that use that same idiotic one line.
 
No...they are not important, unless you cannot function without listening to their talking potato heads.

A free press is actually quite important. What we have now are media outlets owned by a small number of people and all vying for ratings. They sensationalize everything, spin, and distort. I watch Fox, but I also watch CNN, BBC, NPR, etc. I take all news media outlets with a grain of salt, as unfortunately, we are in a realm of captured media.

But a true free press is an important function, as it can report the actions and concerns of government to the People so that the People may be better informed and in turn control the government more appropriately and intelligently. If we had an unbiased free-press we would be greatly served. Although...I wonder if modern America would even watch such a thing. Perhaps it's our appetites for sensationalized garbage that has driven the media into the place it is currently.
 
That's funny.
If you do a search on "Fox viewers are brainwashed" you'll get a bunch of hits pointing to screwball far left sites that use that same idiotic one line.

And look, dumb deflection, no argument. To you everything but fox is kooky left. You are just proving my point.


cable news race
wed., march 27, 2019

foxnews hannity 4,303,000
foxnews tucker 3,485,000
foxnews ingraham 3,268,000
msnbc maddow 2,678,000
foxnews the five 2,640,000
foxnews baier 2,179,000
msnbc o'donnell 2,069,000
msnbc hayes 1,674,000
msnbc hardball 1,465,000
cnn cuomo 900,000
cnn cooper 865,000

You just proved my point, I even posted about it. It's clear you don't read people's posts or you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself. Bragging about ratings just shows right wingers flock teo the propaganda while liberals go elsewhere for news.

THat's how dumb right wingers are, they don't realize how stupid they look with their dumb one liners and childish attempts at deflections LOL

that would make anybody who may be questioning their intelligence feel like a genius here, constantly destroying the dumb from the right.
 
A free press is actually quite important. What we have now are media outlets owned by a small number of people and all vying for ratings. They sensationalize everything, spin, and distort. I watch Fox, but I also watch CNN, BBC, NPR, etc. I take all news media outlets with a grain of salt, as unfortunately, we are in a realm of captured media.

But a true free press is an important function, as it can report the actions and concerns of government to the People so that the People may be better informed and in turn control the government more appropriately and intelligently. If we had an unbiased free-press we would be greatly served. Although...I wonder if modern America would even watch such a thing. Perhaps it's our appetites for sensationalized garbage that has driven the media into the place it is currently.

There's a LOT of "bread and circuses" nonsense in America today.

Certainly for the same reasons.
 
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