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Does anyone deny that Blacks are discriminated against in America?

Nap said:
I would imagine that would be pretty horrific to be exposed to blatant racism from someone you considered acquaintances or friends, on the flip side exposing your heritage and calling them out on it would likely give them pause to reevaluate their views as that would likely be rather uncomfortable for them as many that still holds those views do so in shame when it is exposed.
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Well i definitely did, it was pretty intense actually but i dont know if i helped them. They definitely felt embarrassment and shame in the moment but how the conversation was going before i reviled why their words bothered me so much leads me to believe they now only think "IM" the exception and not the rule. That "IM" just different and all others are still the same.

there was also a third party there that was just as shocked and knew i was black so word did get out how they were and i know it caused drama with some of the other families . . especially since there were two black families on the team . . .

. . . guess the alcohol and safety of being in their own home let them expose who they really are

sad really
 
AGENT J said:
Well i definitely did, it was pretty intense actually but i dont know if i helped them. They definitely felt embarrassment and shame in the moment but how the conversation was going before i reviled why their words bothered me so much leads me to believe they now only think "IM" the exception and not the rule. That "IM" just different and all others are still the same.

there was also a third party there that was just as shocked and knew i was black so word did get out how they were and i know it caused drama with some of the other families . . especially since there were two black families on the team . . .

. . . guess the alcohol and safety of being in their own home let them expose who they really are

sad really
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It is sad, but honestly isn't it better to know what someone believes rather than think that the facade they put up is genuine? It sucks to lose friends, but would you really want to be friends with someone like that? Fake people like that tend to annoy me, as bad as it is to say I have more respect for someone that is outwardly racist rather than someone that is merely putting on a performance to hide how they truly feel. This is one reason why I dislike anti-discrimination laws (other than on principle) as I would rather a business owner be open about how they feel so that I can choose not spend my money and support such people.
 
Nap said:
It is sad, but honestly isn't it better to know what someone believes rather than think that the facade they put up is genuine? It sucks to lose friends, but would you really want to be friends with someone like that? Fake people like that tend to annoy me, as bad as it is to say I have more respect for someone that is outwardly racist rather than someone that is merely putting on a performance to hide how they truly feel. This is one reason why I dislike anti-discrimination laws (other than on principle) as I would rather a business owner be open about how they feel so that I can choose not spend my money and support such people.
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oh yeah...im glad it happened sooner rather than later and yes id rather know than not.

As far as anti-discrimination laws i know what you mean. Id like to not give my money to bigots but i dont think that want is a bigger than the great pro of protecting peoples rights. Its not even close for me. me not giving somebody 500$ for something is not worth letting them violated rights and treat people as lessers.
 
AGENT J said:
oh yeah...im glad it happened sooner rather than later and yes id rather know than not.

As far as anti-discrimination laws i know what you mean. Id like to not give my money to bigots but i dont think that want is a bigger than the great pro of protecting peoples rights. Its not even close for me. me not giving somebody 500$ for something is not worth letting them violated rights and treat people as lessers.
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My view on it is that someone does not have the right to someone else's labor or property. Imo anti-discrimination are a violation of the rights of the business owner. Forcing someone to sell their property or provide service against their will seems to run counter to the right to your own labor/property and freedom of association.
 
Nap said:
1.) My view on it is that someone does not have the right to someone else's labor or property.
2.) Imo anti-discrimination are a violation of the rights of the business owner.
3.) Forcing someone to sell their property or provide service against their will seems to run counter to the right to your own labor/property and freedom of association.
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1.) i agree with that 100%
2.) what rights? thats impossible since the business owner CHOOSES to do what they do. Nobody is forced to open a public access business and AGREE to the rules and laws that regulate that type of business. Its a choice. There are many other options.
3.) I agree that would run counter but in america nobody is forcing that
 
AGENT J said:
1.) i agree with that 100%
2.) what rights? thats impossible since the business owner CHOOSES to do what they do. Nobody is forced to open a public access business and AGREE to the rules and laws that regulate that type of business. Its a choice. There are many other options.
3.) I agree that would run counter but in america nobody is forcing that
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To be honest, we have had a good discussion and I rather not get into a debate on what the role of government should be in the marketplace as I doubt we would ever come to any agreement on that.
 
Nap said:
To be honest, we have had a good discussion and I rather not get into a debate on what the role of government should be in the marketplace as I doubt we would ever come to any agreement on that.
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thats fine by me:thumbs:
 
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FreeWits said:
So you don't think racism against Whites happens in the USA?
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Perhaps in isolated cases here and there, there is some racism directed at white people. Do you have in mind specific examples you would like to discuss?
 
calamity said:
Perhaps in isolated cases here and there, there is some racism directed at white people. Do you have in mind specific examples you would like to discuss?
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If White people face racism, and White people are the majority in the USA, is it wrong to say that racism is blind to White people because they aren't the minority? And if you could, if someone talks about racism against White people, is it wrong to say that those people are whining when you admit that racism does actually happen to White people?
 
FreeWits said:
If White people face racism, and White people are the majority in the USA, is it wrong to say that racism is blind to White people because they aren't the minority? And if you could, if someone talks about racism against White people, is it wrong to say that those people are whining when you admit that racism does actually happen to White people?
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No. I said, "Perhaps in isolated cases here and there, there is some racism directed at white people," and then asked, "Do you have in mind specific examples you would like to discuss?"

Well, do you?
 
calamity said:
No. I said, "Perhaps in isolated cases here and there, there is some racism directed at white people," and then asked, "Do you have in mind specific examples you would like to discuss?"

Well, do you?
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Your refusal to state whether you think racism happens against White people or not, you are obviously avoiding answering the question, and the fact that you said talking about racism against Whites is whining that people shouldn't do, shows just how racist you are and is an example of racism against Whites. I need not search to show you an example when you embody such a great example of racism. Anybody who denied Black racism existed or avoided admitting that it does exist while stating that people who talk about Black racism are whining would be considered racists themselves.
 
FreeWits said:
If White people face racism, and White people are the majority in the USA, is it wrong to say that racism is blind to White people because they aren't the minority? And if you could, if someone talks about racism against White people, is it wrong to say that those people are whining when you admit that racism does actually happen to White people?
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are you a rocket scientist?
 
FreeWits said:
Your refusal to state whether you think racism happens against White people or not, you are obviously avoiding answering the question, and the fact that you said talking about racism against Whites is whining that people shouldn't do, shows just how racist you are and is an example of racism against Whites. I need not search to show you an example when you embody such a great example of racism. Anybody who denied Black racism existed or avoided admitting that it does exist while stating that people who talk about Black racism are whining would be considered racists themselves.
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Actually, no again. I very much want to discuss this. That is why I asked you to provide some examples.

I am not the one who claims whites face racism in the US. You are. Show us what the hell you are talking about. Surely you should be able to find something worth talking about, seeing as to how you seem to think it's epidemic.
 
calamity said:
Actually, no again. I very much want to discuss this. That is why I asked you to provide some examples.

I am not the one who claims whites face racism in the US. You are. Show us what the hell you are talking about. Surely you should be able to find something worth talking about, seeing as to how you seem to think it's epidemic.
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You can want to discuss the issue and avoid answering the question at the same time. I asked you if racism against White people happens, and you refuse to say anything more than perhaps, which you say is not a yes. You think you are being clever, but you are only exposing your own racism to everybody else. The ironic thing is that while you talk about racism against Blacks being invisible to Whites because they are the majority, racism against Whites is actually invisible to you. You have apparently never seen even a single act of racism against a White person. If you had, you wouldn't need to ask me for examples.

I actually think you are playing a game, but who knows, maybe racism really is this invisible to you. I'll give you the link you requested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWoC90bbsdo

Notice how her argument is not that all people are racist, it's that only White people are racist...each and every one of them. Oh yeah, and they always will be no matter what they do. You are likely aware of universities that give boosts to non-White races on ACT and SAT scores when applying for college as well. That's an actual institutionalized racism to say that a Black or Brown person can get in with say a 24 ACT over a White person with a 25 ACT because the 24 ACT is weighted as better solely because of the color of their skin. Not only is this racism against White people in practice, it is also racism of low expectations against minorities.

And in case you try to weasel out of those examples, here's the Revolutionary Black Panthers marching through the streets with guns (illegally, btw), threatening to kill "crackers".
 
FreeWits said:
You can want to discuss the issue and avoid answering the question at the same time. I asked you if racism against White people happens, and you refuse to say anything more than perhaps, which you say is not a yes. You think you are being clever, but you are only exposing your own racism to everybody else. The ironic thing is that while you talk about racism against Blacks being invisible to Whites because they are the majority, racism against Whites is actually invisible to you. You have apparently never seen even a single act of racism against a White person. If you had, you wouldn't need to ask me for examples.

I actually think you are playing a game, but who knows, maybe racism really is this invisible to you. I'll give you the link you requested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWoC90bbsdo

Notice how her argument is not that all people are racist, it's that only White people are racist...each and every one of them. Oh yeah, and they always will be no matter what they do. You are likely aware of universities that give boosts to non-White races on ACT and SAT scores when applying for college as well. That's an actual institutionalized racism to say that a Black or Brown person can get in with say a 24 ACT over a White person with a 25 ACT because the 24 ACT is weighted as better solely because of the color of their skin. Not only is this racism against White people in practice, it is also racism of low expectations against minorities.

And in case you try to weasel out of those examples, here's the Revolutionary Black Panthers marching through the streets with guns (illegally, btw), threatening to kill "crackers".
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A ****ing YouTube?

CT is that way ------>

They like YouTube "facts" there.
 
calamity said:
A ****ing YouTube?

CT is that way ------>

They like YouTube "facts" there.
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The OP's video was on Youtube. lol This is real idiocy. It doesn't matter where the video is posted/hosted. The video is the video. The video doesn't change because of where it's hosted from. Notice that I made many points and you ignored all of them. You clung to a Youtube video you had no counter to other than to complain about it being hosted on the largest video hosting site in the world. But remember, you stated you were looking forward to a discussion. lol You are a liar.
 
FreeWits said:
The OP's video was on Youtube. lol This is real idiocy. It doesn't matter where the video is posted/hosted. The video is the video. The video doesn't change because of where it's hosted from. Notice that I made many points and you ignored all of them. You clung to a Youtube video you had no counter to other than to complain about it being hosted on the largest video hosting site in the world. But remember, you stated you were looking forward to a discussion. lol You are a liar.
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I did not watch the OP video either. But, I did post hard data showing discrimination and racism against Blacks.

Can you do that with racism and discrimination against Whites?
 
calamity said:
I did not watch the OP video either. But, I did post hard data showing discrimination and racism against Blacks.

Can you do that with racism and discrimination against Whites?
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Why do we need data? I simply need to show that racism against Whites happens at all. I did that. You have yet to accept that racism happens to Whites at all.
 
FreeWits said:
Why do we need data? I simply need to show that racism against Whites happens at all. I did that. You have yet to accept that racism happens to Whites at all.
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"Why do we need data?"


Yes. CT is that way ---->
 
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