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Does anyone actually believe Trump's "correction" of when he says misspoke?

Luckyone said:
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Really? Did Trump offer to remove the sanctions we have on Russia, some that he himself ordered? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to stop arming the Ukraine against an imperialistic Russia? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to back off North Korea and Iran, both strong allies of Russia? There is no indication that he did.

And when Trump encouraged Germany to get their energy needs from us instead of being dependent on Russia, was that capitulating to Putin? Did Trump make a deal with Russia to give them a significant percentage of U.S. uranium for their nuclear program or offer them anything else materially that would be beneficial to Russia? The Obama Administration did.

Also Obama capitulated to Russian demands and stopped the missile defense system planned for Eastern Europe. Obama's response to Russia's annexing Crimea, invading eastern Ukraine, intervening in Syria, and hacking the Clinton campaign and the DNC was to wag his finger with a firmly stated "cut it out." (The Russians are probably still snickering.) It was Obama who, when Romney cited Russia as a threat, scornfully said “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” And it was Obama caught on open Mic telling Medvedev to inform Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election which clearly indicated he was signaling one thing to Putin while intending something else to us.

You should have Putin lifting somebody else in that cartoon.
 
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trouble13 said:
And the lefts underwear is brown from capping themselves. Now how about answering the question. You all seem to be convinced trump is guilty of something that has yet to be proven.

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If nothing else, Trump is guilty of being incompetent and unprepared. Putin ran circles around him and proved that Trump is a child next to him. Is this who you want as President of the previously number #1 country in the world?
 
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OlNate said:
Tough question to ask, I'd imagine, since the only alternative would be gross incompetence. I'm not sure there's a positive way out of this...
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I just don't get how anyone could be convinced he is innocent or guilty until we learn more. I give him the benefit of presumed innocence in the absence of evidence but I reserve judgement until the investigations findings are released.

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lurchadams said:
*You're*

When the pee pee tape finally comes out you're going to commend Trump for conserving water.
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Let me guess stormys lawyer has that locked in his safe too

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AlbqOwl said:
Really? Did Trump offer to remove the sanctions we have on Russia, some that he himself ordered? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to stop arming the Ukraine against an imperialistic Russia? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to back off North Korea and Iran, both strong allies of Russia? There is no indication that he did.

And when Trump encouraged Germany to get their energy needs from us instead of being dependent on Russia, was that capitulating to Putin? Did Trump make a deal with Russia to give them a significant percentage of U.S. uranium for their nuclear program or offer them anything else materially that would be beneficial to Russia? The Obama Administration did.

Also Obama capitulated to Russian demands and stopped the missile defense system planned for Eastern Europe. Obama's response to Russia's annexing Crimea, invading eastern Ukraine, intervening in Syria, and hacking the Clinton campaign and the DNC was to wag his finger with a firmly stated "cut it out." (The Russians are probably still snickering.) It was Obama who, when Romney cited Russia as a threat, scornfully said “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” And it was Obama caught on open Mic telling Medvedev to inform Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election which clearly indicated he was signaling one thing to Putin while intending something else to us.

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There is no indication he did. There is no indication that he didn't either! We will never know what was discussed between them, will we? All we know is what we know. So much with Trump is UNKNOWN. If you look closely, much of what Trump has done has been behind the scenes such as putting people in positions of power that are confirmed enemies of the benefits of those departments, such as Pruitt and the EPA and Rick Perry and the Department of Energy. Those departments are being torn apart by the same people that are supposed to build them up.

As far as bringing in a previous President. Why do you do that? Are you trying to compare Trump to Obama? Will that make things better even if you are right (which you are not)? No, it won't because Obama is no longer President, Trump is and it is Trump we must evaluate and criticize, the same way you did when Obama was President. Did you like it when we compared Obama to Bush? No, of course not because Bush was a total disaster, especially when compared to Obama.

Comparing is useless. Trump is doing things now that are hurting our nation and talking about Obama is not going to solve anything.

Trump is Putin's bi*ch and that is a reality and that is a problem because Putin is an ENEMY of the U.S. He does not wish us well and talking about Obama is useless. Why don't you talk about how Trump acted in Helsinki? How in front of the whole world, he basically said to Putin "you are right, we are a piece of sh*t and you have every right to do what you want with us". Why don't you talk about that? After all, there is "no indication" that he defended us and there is every indication that he threw us under the bus.
 
Re: Does anyone actually believe Trump's "correction" of when he says misspoke?

Luckyone said:
If nothing else, Trump is guilty of being incompetent and unprepared. Putin ran circles around him and proved that Trump is a child next to him. Is this who you want as President of the previously number #1 country in the world?
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He is not perfect but he was the best choice available in the last election. Despite the over the top hyperbole trump has done a decent job managing things.

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AlbqOwl said:
Really? Did Trump offer to remove the sanctions we have on Russia, some that he himself ordered? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to stop arming the Ukraine against an imperialistic Russia? There is no indication that he did.

Did Trump offer to back off North Korea and Iran, both strong allies of Russia? There is no indication that he did.

And when Trump encouraged Germany to get their energy needs from us instead of being dependent on Russia, was that capitulating to Putin? Did Trump make a deal with Russia to give them a significant percentage of U.S. uranium for their nuclear program or offer them anything else materially that would be beneficial to Russia? The Obama Administration did.

Also Obama capitulated to Russian demands and stopped the missile defense system planned for Eastern Europe. Obama's response to Russia's annexing Crimea, invading eastern Ukraine, intervening in Syria, and hacking the Clinton campaign and the DNC was to wag his finger with a firmly stated "cut it out." (The Russians are probably still snickering.) It was Obama who, when Romney cited Russia as a threat, scornfully said “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” And it was Obama caught on open Mic telling Medvedev to inform Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election which clearly indicated he was signaling one thing to Putin while intending something else to us.

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Actually Trump has not put into place all of the sanctions that congress approved and he signed.
 
Re: Does anyone actually believe Trump's "correction" of when he says misspoke?

trouble13 said:
I just don't get how anyone could be convinced he is innocent or guilty until we learn more. I give him the benefit of presumed innocence in the absence of evidence but I reserve judgement until the investigations findings are released.

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Sorry, I might have jumped the gun on this, after reading again what you were talking about... I agree, folks need to wait for the outcome of any investigation...though as I've said elsewhere, if the verdict doesn't come down favorably, it would be disappointing to see Trump's supporters reject the results... I have a feeling, sadly, they will be rejected by one side or the other, no matter what they are, such is the state of partisanship. Hopefully I'm wrong... :)
 
ludin said:
Sorry you have yet to answer the question i asked you why is that?
I am staying on topic.

I am seeing if you can be consistent in your argument. So far your continued non-answer and based on your previous post tells me you can't.

What i believe is that trump said something stupid like he normally does. he is now like most politicans that say something stupid
attempting to correct that mistake.

just like that moron who wanted the military to remove trump.
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So thats a A.yes
 
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Mizzy22 said:
OMG!Can any one think at this late date,Trump is pure as drifting snow!
The snows yellow dude!
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Peeped snow:lamo
 
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trouble13 said:
He is not perfect but he was the best choice available in the last election. Despite the over the top hyperbole trump has done a decent job managing things.

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The best choice, I don't think even Hillary could put the nation into what it is today. No friends or allies overseas except Russia and a trading war that could bring down the economy and the effect of those tariffs have been to hurt the people that voted for him. A tax cut which helps no one but the wealthy and has increased the deficit by over a trillion dollars. SO much for bringing down the debt. Wages for wage earners have actually gone down by over 1% in the last six months. At least until now he hasn't hurt the really good economy that Obama left him, but give him time. OUr environment is being further damaged every day and soon we will be back to the bad old days with dirty water and air. We have become a pariah and a laughing stock for the whole world and you think that Hillary would have been worse? You have to be a Trump cultist because a trained monkey could have done better than Trump has done.
 
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trouble13 said:
And the lefts underwear is brown from capping themselves. Now how about answering the question. You all seem to be convinced trump is guilty of something that has yet to be proven.

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If it looks like a duck etc.
 
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trouble13 said:
He is not perfect but he was the best choice available in the last election. Despite the over the top hyperbole trump has done a decent job managing things.

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Day late with that post!
 
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trouble13 said:
He is not perfect but he was the best choice available in the last election. Despite the over the top hyperbole trump has done a decent job managing things.

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That's an insane illogic. "He's the most appalling president ever, but SHE would have been worser!" Excepting that SHE for all her many faults, has inside experience of the WH and its workings, years of political/diplomatic experience, and is a nearly normal human being, relative to the incumbent.
 
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OlNate said:
Sorry, I might have jumped the gun on this, after reading again what you were talking about... I agree, folks need to wait for the outcome of any investigation...though as I've said elsewhere, if the verdict doesn't come down favorably, it would be disappointing to see Trump's supporters reject the results... I have a feeling, sadly, they will be rejected by one side or the other, no matter what they are, such is the state of partisanship. Hopefully I'm wrong... :)
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The quality of the investigation is going to matter but I agree. I hope people can agree on it being settled

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trouble13 said:
The quality of the investigation is going to matter but I agree. I hope people can agree on it being settled
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What nonsense.

Intelligence agencies agree Russia meddled...Trump/Republicans deny it.
Everyone agrees Russia hacked the DNC. Trump and Republicans deny it.
The IG concluded that there was no evidence Peter S. personal bias that effected his actions in the FBI.
Republicans didn't';t buy that, and the morons in the House called him in again for a circus.

It's a much longer list than that, that's just the recent bombshells. Playing the victim and "hoping it stops with Mueller", is dreaming. The hole these Republicans dug, given what we suspect will occur in the coming months, will extend way beyond the Mueller's conclusion. And yes, I'll be digging up posts for years from the Trump apologists....reputation matters, behavior matters. Ignoring all the apologists and letting them off the hook is unethical, and would be irresponsible.

Everyone does not win a trophy, as it turns out.
 
Re: Does anyone actually believe Trump's "correction" of when he says misspoke?

Manc Skipper said:
That's an insane illogic. "He's the most appalling president ever, but SHE would have been worser!" Excepting that SHE for all her many faults, has inside experience of the WH and its workings, years of political/diplomatic experience, and is a nearly normal human being, relative to the incumbent.
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There is simply no way that an HRC presidency would have been "worse" than this Trump disaster and its easy to understand why.

It should be obvious that HRC would not have carried majorities into House and Senate with her. She would have been boxed in by GOP Majorities in House and Senate as opposed to being enabled by a scared to death minority rule Senate and House. Yet, she would not have gone on this nutso cultural warfare campaign for one thing. For another she would not have NATO nervous as a cat. Not sure she would have flushed over a a trillion dollars down a rathole in a ridiculously ill advised and ill intended tax cut. Nor do I think she would have gone on this tariffs campaign which you have to be dead and too stupid to fall over to have embarked on. I seriously doubt we would be on this ridiculous autocracy campaign either.

There are two kinds of people that are willing to accept this trumpian nonsense and a fair number of them post in this pages. There are Russian trolls all over this forum and all over the Internet. You could see it in the concerted and coordinated effort they made to keep the Trump support post count up while actual Americans that tend to support Trump were underwater, stunned to silence from the mess Trump had made of G7, NATO, UK and finally Helsinki all in a row.

The only thing that came out of this forum worthwhile from the last few days is that Russian Trolls having to up their post count exposed themselves for what they are because their actual knowledge of the US Government and US History is thin at best. In fact it is thin to virtually the same level for all of them....an impossibility for a group of Americans of varied backgrounds living in different parts of the country and having gone through different educational experiences. The need to keep the Trump support post count up forced them into detailed discussions that they simply do not have the knowledge base to stay in without getting creamed. Clearly they are all going through the same training programs and the result is they have just about the same thin level of knowledge on a varied number of topics. American children have a deeper and broader understanding of this government. However, the Russian Trolls have been trained to post with conviction. So they post nonsense but they sure do post it with conviction.

The other Trump supporter that is Internet active and politically engaged at least to this level is entirely consumed by this cultural warfare nonsense and will accept any risk to the country in order to achieve an ideological goal that is absurd, counterproductive, idiotic and that happens to also be LOST! We don't have enough kids and have not since my parent's, since the 1950's and 1960's. In fact if you want to count yourself as part of this cultural warfare, you are losing worse now than you were. Census numbers just dropped the year whites become a minority in this country from 2042 to 2034. Its lost. STOP FIGHTING!

So NOOOOOOOO.....HRC while I am convinced a terrible President should she have been elected would not have been worse than Trump. Not even close.
 
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independentusa said:
The best choice, I don't think even Hillary could put the nation into what it is today. No friends or allies overseas except Russia and a trading war that could bring down the economy and the effect of those tariffs have been to hurt the people that voted for him. A tax cut which helps no one but the wealthy and has increased the deficit by over a trillion dollars. SO much for bringing down the debt. Wages for wage earners have actually gone down by over 1% in the last six months. At least until now he hasn't hurt the really good economy that Obama left him, but give him time. OUr environment is being further damaged every day and soon we will be back to the bad old days with dirty water and air. We have become a pariah and a laughing stock for the whole world and you think that Hillary would have been worse? You have to be a Trump cultist because a trained monkey could have done better than Trump has done.
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Back away from the edge, it's gonna be ok.

1. I have never said Clinton would of been a terrible president. I think she would of been more of the same. Trump I'm represented something better.

2. Trade negotiations has people understandably nervous. I think they are long overdue. We have been voluntarily surrendering our economic power to the rest of the world and have gotten very little benefit or live for doing it. I have no problem with reclaiming some of that power back.

3. Tax cuts are not done. Part 2 is coming and it's aimed at the middle class. It had to be done this way because of the CBO scoring system.

4.defict complaints are valid but he has the economic growth out pacing what he is spending. I'm thinking he is gonna see 5% growth before his 1st term is over and I won't be completely in shock if he hits 6%. This economy has not peaked.

5. Obama left him a stable economy. I give him credit for that. He used a bunch of fiat money to do it but he kept us stable. He deserves credit for that. Trump deserves credit for what he has done to it too. Obama improved what he got and trump improved what he got. I give them both credit.

6. Wages I think your jumping the shark on. Growth is coming once all the people on the sideline comeback. Wages are going to be forced to rise and we are going to be forced to bring in visa workers or increase outsourcing

7. I'm not an expert on environmental policy I think their is a happy medium between staunch environmentalists and wreck less industrialists. Hopefully we are getting into that sweet spot but I'm really not enough of an expert to say one way or the other.

8. Geopolitics
I can care less about being the cool rich kid on the block who pays for the keggers. Let them pay their own way.

Tried to hit everything but that was a hell of a laundry list you gave me. Hey but in all insincerity, nice post. We disagree but you laid you case out nicely.


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Mach said:
What nonsense.

Intelligence agencies agree Russia meddled...Trump/Republicans deny it.
Everyone agrees Russia hacked the DNC. Trump and Republicans deny it.
The IG concluded that there was no evidence Peter S. personal bias that effected his actions in the FBI.
Republicans didn't';t buy that, and the morons in the House called him in again for a circus.

It's a much longer list than that, that's just the recent bombshells. Playing the victim and "hoping it stops with Mueller", is dreaming. The hole these Republicans dug, given what we suspect will occur in the coming months, will extend way beyond the Mueller's conclusion. And yes, I'll be digging up posts for years from the Trump apologists....reputation matters, behavior matters. Ignoring all the apologists and letting them off the hook is unethical, and would be irresponsible.

Everyone does not win a trophy, as it turns out.
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1. If the Republicans deny it than everyone does not agree.
2. The Ig did not conclude there was no bias. They said it was inconclusive if the bias effected their decissions. That's very different from what your claiming.
3. How am I playing victim?
4. Feel free to pull up any post of mine you wish at anytime. Sometimes hind sight is 20/20 I'm not to proud to admit to being wrong when I am.


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Manc Skipper said:
That's an insane illogic. "He's the most appalling president ever, but SHE would have been worser!" Excepting that SHE for all her many faults, has inside experience of the WH and its workings, years of political/diplomatic experience, and is a nearly normal human being, relative to the incumbent.
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I guess we will never know if you right or not because she LOST

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Laughable...sad really.....so now Trump is on to the cleanup after the cleanup after the cleanup AFTER THE CLEANUP. This is ridiculous. I have never seen a President come back from a meeting with another head of state and have to try four times between WH and himself to clean up his mess. Lets not even talk about the absurdity in Singapore.

Kennedy/Khrushchev 1 went very badly. But at last Kennedy knew it had gone badly. Wasn't so utterly obtuse and completely self absorbed that he did not even understand the mess he was in.
 
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trouble13 said:
I guess we will never know if you right or not because she LOST

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When that is your entire argument, you don't have one.
 
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