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Does a Trump win save democracy?

Brack said:
The Constitution only gives Congress the power of the purse.
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Still not seeing the dictatory aspect here

Did Biden invoke the NEA when he tried to effectively spend $400 billion in student loan forgiveness without congress' power of the purse being involved
 
There is no doubt that Trump believes for him to win he must:
1. Destroy trust in voting - its all a scam, corrupt, stolen etc.
2. Destroy trust in law enforcement from the top down. Prosecutors are "animals, communists, deranged leftists bent on destroying America
3. Destroy trust in your fellow citizens - "Every insufficiently MAGA" are America's enemies, Rino's, radical leftists, communists, haters of America
4. Destroy trust in all NON- MAGA news sources. "When I'm in office, I will shut them down. They are enemies of America.....
5. Destroy reverence for and in the Constitution. "I have the power to change laws, rules, regulations and articles even in the Constitution
 
DCCougar said:
OK. And where did this "erosion of faith" come from? Was there any erosion of faith in US elections prior to Trump running in 2016? I certainly do not recall any. I know the Russians flooded social media in 2015 with disinformation, and one of their intentions was to erode our faith in our free and fair elections. And erosion of faith in our elections was and continues to be a major intention of Trump. Trump and the Russians -- they sought the same thing.

I hope you realize that there is no basis, no reason for any American to have any doubts about the integrity of US elections. How do I know? Because after he lost in 2020 Trump filed sixty -- SIXTY lawsuits claiming there was fraud in that election. You'd think if there was any reason to doubt the election's integrity, it certainly would have come forward in those lawsuits.

But no. Not one of those lawsuits presented any evidence, any reason to question the fact that the election was free and fair. So this "erosion of faith" in US elections that you speak of is false. The only people whose faith has been eroded have been duped -- they've fallen for the disinformation put out there by the Russians and Trump which is utterly baseless, without evidence, and without any reason.... all because of the immaturity and severe personality disorders of Trump who just can't take a loss like a man and thinks he is above the law.
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Hunter Biden's Laptop.
 
You. said:
Edumacate me…
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The system consists of 10 pct of the U.S. population owning 70 pct of the country's total wealth, both parties working for it, and the other 90 pct counting on credit to trickle down to them, needed for consumer and military spending.
 
You. said:
I think that an erosion of faith in voting is a bigger threat to democracy than any one term by any one person.

First premise: Voting IS a faith-based endeavor. Voters have to have faith that the system is fair. By this I mean that the vast majority of voters have zero proof that their vote was recorded as they intended it to be cast. It’s basically a black box system for most people. Push button and have faith in the system after that.

Second premise: Election deniers belief that the system is rigged will only be exacerbated by a Biden win. Democrats would be unhappy but will likely accept the results.

I’m sure some deniers would claim a Trump win was 5-D chess by the cabal to trick conservatives the system isn’t rigged, but wouldn’t some have to begin to believe in the system again?
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Lara Trump says 2020 election is 'in the past' even as Donald Trump keeps bringing it up

RNC co-chair Lara Trump said the party is "past" litigating the 2020 election, as her father-in-law prepares to face charges stemming from his post-election actions.
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Do you agree with Lara trump?

She says "2020 is in the past". She encouraged Republicans to vote with confidence, but trump himself doesn't seem to completely agree.

Who should Republicans believe, Donald or Lara ? Because they don't agree with each other.
 
You. said:
I think that an erosion of faith in voting is a bigger threat to democracy than any one term by any one person.

First premise: Voting IS a faith-based endeavor. Voters have to have faith that the system is fair. By this I mean that the vast majority of voters have zero proof that their vote was recorded as they intended it to be cast. It’s basically a black box system for most people. Push button and have faith in the system after that.

Second premise: Election deniers belief that the system is rigged will only be exacerbated by a Biden win. Democrats would be unhappy but will likely accept the results.

I’m sure some deniers would claim a Trump win was 5-D chess by the cabal to trick conservatives the system isn’t rigged, but wouldn’t some have to begin to believe in the system again?
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So what you're saying is...

We should hope Trump wins because it might get his supporters to start believing in reality again?

Edit: More seriously, I don't need to have faith that the voting system is fair (IMO we should have ranked choice voting anyway), I only need to have faith that if there were actually enough unfairness to matter, it would have been found in 2020.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
I am referring to the states that used pandemic porn to rush into unsecure mass mailout balloting in the lead up to the election without even taking the time to clean up their voting rolls. That some states like Arizona and Colorado already had mass mailout baloting does not remove or excuse the rush by swing states in the 2020 election.

Baloney. Counting ballots that may or may not be fraudulent is not a confirmation of a legitimate win. I only trust the counts in states with largely traditional in person voting, traditional absentee balloting, and solid voter ID bills
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well lets just do away with elections for President and let the state legislatures decide who they want their delegates to the EC vote for.
Why have elections?
it is all in the Constitution.
YES we don't HAVE to HAVE elections it is all in the Constitution that it is all up to the state legislatures on how THEY ( the state legislatures ) want to appoint the delegates to the EC and who they vote for .
that way there will NOT be any mail in ballots and the crybabies on the right won't have anything to cry about.
OH NO we couldn't have that then the MAGAS and right wingers wouldn't have anything to cry about , they couldn't cry fraud, the election was rigged or anything else Trumps tells them to.
YES lets do away with ALL Presidential elections and have the state legislatures decide it like the CONSTITUTION says they can
Have a nice day
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Actually thats incorrect, you can always work as a poll worker, get informed and educated, and learn something about the system. Its nobody's fault but yours if you decide to remain ignorant about it.
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Actually, it is correct. That is how elections take place in my state. I walk in, show my ID, go to privatized machine, punch in my selections which will print out my ballot, then walk over to the tabulating machine, slip it into the slot and that's it, I'm all done.

We've heard from democrats and republicans alike, the dangers of these voting machines, yet we still have them.....why? Ignorance is your response and there's a special place for your "I'm intelligent and you're stupid" remarks.....jeesh.
 
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Does a Trump win save democracy?​

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What do you think? It appears from your OP that you don't answer the thread title's question.

Trump is the personification of both anti-democracy, and anti-America.
 
Tbird19482 said:
well lets just do away with elections for President and let the state legislatures decide who they want their delegates to the EC vote for.
Why have elections?
it is all in the Constitution.
YES we don't HAVE to HAVE elections it is all in the Constitution that it is all up to the state legislatures on how THEY ( the state legislatures ) want to appoint the delegates to the EC and who they vote for .
that way there will NOT be any mail in ballots and the crybabies on the right won't have anything to cry about.
OH NO we couldn't have that then the MAGAS and right wingers wouldn't have anything to cry about , they couldn't cry fraud, the election was rigged or anything else Trumps tells them to.
YES lets do away with ALL Presidential elections and have the state legislatures decide it like the CONSTITUTION says they can
Have a nice day
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Says the Libbie mind.
 
BTW...

Today Officer Diller is being laid to rest. Tunnels to Towers is paying off the family mortgage...Barstool is fund raising for the family...Trump will attend.

Brandon is holding a fund raiser with Hillary-Billary and Barry...

For his own purposes...in the same city...on the same day..
 
Bugsy said:
BTW...

Today Officer Diller is being laid to rest. Tunnels to Towers is paying off the family mortgage...Barstool is fund raising for the family...Trump will attend.

Brandon is holding a fund raiser with Hillary-Billary and Barry...

For his own purposes...in the same city...on the same day..
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We hardly knew ye. 😂 (y)
 
redbeer said:
Many democrats still believe Trump is an illegitimate president and they will object to Trump's win in November. The left went violent in Trump's first win, then after all the propaganda which has been fed into their minds, it will be much worse. As in 2016, it will be an earthshaking experience for them...."how is this possible?" will ring in their ears over and over, driving them crazy.

The democrats were oftentimes just a few years ago, talking about the problems we have in our voting system, but instead of tackling the issue, they used the problems to help them, so here we are with as you say, "a faith-based endeavor"......honestly, I don't like it, for there is no way of knowing if my vote was tabulated correctly.

I tap a screen who I choose, prints me a ticket, take the ticket over to the tabulator machine, place it in machine and that's it. It doesn't print me a receipt or anything. Walk away hoping my vote tabulated with my intent.

Both the left and right know all about the problems with the election software, voting systems, and tabulating equipment, yet apparently don't care.
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There are no problems with voting systems. That was proven in 2020 with all the recounts because of Trump's temper tantrums. The consensus from all those recounts was that that election was far and away the most secure election ever. These people who did all those recounts will be testifying to that point during Trump's criminal trials. People that think otherwise are clueless.
 
Dragonfly said:
What do you think? It appears from your OP that you don't answer the thread title's question.
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Thread title is admittedly hyperbolic. I do wonder if a trump win might have some longer term positive effect on faith in elections.

That said, I think it was around post 12 where I quoted someone who said his supporters will believe any election they win and won’t believe any they lose and said they won the thread.
 
stealthycat said:
if Biden magically gets another 15 million mail in ballots it will further erode people's faith in the system

Trump is hugely popular, way more so than Biden

I think only Democrats cheating can win 2024 as it sits right now
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Funny funny stuff right here. Coffee just flew out my nostrils.
 
You. said:
I do wonder if a trump win might have some longer term positive effect on faith in elections.
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What?

Why?
Explain please.

Trump is the biggest criminal con-man lying cheater traitor that's ever held office.
If there is any election fraud anywhere, he's more than likely behind it.
 
Dragonfly said:
What?

Why?
Explain please.
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I think the country is likely to suffer over decades because of lack faith in the election system. I wonder if a trump win would force some to admit that the elections are fair.
 
You. said:
I think the country is likely to suffer over decades because of lack faith in the election system. I wonder if a trump win would force some to admit that the elections are fair.
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Nope.

Here's the way this works. Mostly for conservatives.

My candidate wins: elections are fair and honest
My candidate loses: elections are a fraud, lies, and corrupt beyond all reason


So basically any time the conservatives/republicans lose something: elections are corrupt and fraudulent.
Even if their candidate is the one most likely to commit the fraud, and foster the corruption.
 
Dragonfly said:
Nope.

Here's the way this works. Mostly for conservatives.

My candidate wins: elections are fair and honest
My candidate loses: elections are a fraud, lies, and corrupt beyond all reason


So basically any time the conservatives/republicans lose something: elections are corrupt and fraudulent.
Even if their candidate is the one most likely to commit the fraud, and foster the corruption.
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So basically what I said first time I replied to your post
 
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