Do you support Bernie Sanders' 32 hour work week proposal?

[BrotherFease]

Bernie's Proposal

You can read the proposal above, but here is the basic functions:

- The standard work week is 32 hours per week, instead of the 40 hour work week.
- Employers are not allowed to decrease wages or benefits.
- If you work more than 32 hours, you're required to get overtime pay.
- Less money, but more free time and (projected) higher productivity.
- Opponents argue that it will force employers to hire more people.
- Opponents argue it might be assembly-line work force.

Do you support or oppose this?

 

[Helix]

Yes. I support this.

 

[Cameron]

I do not support a mandatory 32 hour work week. I think we will get there eventually but are not ready for it yet or will be for a few decades at least.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Yep. It's proven to work out. Americans are top when it comes to overworked, and underpaid. Fixing this would make for a better quality of life.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I am 59, so that means I started my working career in the mid 80s - right smack in the middle of the yuppie movement.
Categorically the exact opposite of Gen Zs.
All through the 80s-90s I worked usually 10 hour days, and many-many times 11 or 12 and came in for a few hours Sat or Sun morning to catch up or prepare for the following week. It was brutal, but if you were not willing to put in those kind of hours - you were never going to get ahead in that era.
The millennials got it right. Enough of working like dogs as the only way to succeed while the company you worked for LOVED the free work you did.

Gen Z, on the other hand... is pretty bad. The "quiet quiting" movement is large and it is obvious. Like I said, they are the opposite of yuppies.
Yuppies were too far one way - Gen Zs are too far the opposite way.
Support the 32 hour work week? - Only if you are willing to make 20% less pay.
It is incalculably brain dead to think most businesses can afford to get 20% less production done, but pay the same as 40.
Are you all not tired of inflation yet?????

 

[switt]

Other. Yes, I'd love a 32 hour work week. Not a fan of it being a gov mandate.

 

[BrotherFease]

Other. Yes, I'd love a 32 hour work week. Not a fan of it being a gov mandate.

The proposal is a government mandate. Employers could still have their workforce go over 32 hours, but they would require OT pay.

The question is, would you rather work 40 hours or work 32 hours for less money. Personally, I would take the 40. I would be more down for the 4-day work week, and get 3 days off.

 

[Allan]

Bernie's Proposal

You can read the proposal above, but here is the basic functions:

- The standard work week is 32 hours per week, instead of the 40 hour work week.
- Employers are not allowed to decrease wages or benefits.
- If you work more than 32 hours, you're required to get overtime pay.
- Less money, but more free time and (projected) higher productivity.
- Opponents argue that it will force employers to hire more people.
- Opponents argue it might be assembly-line work force.

Do you support or oppose this?

What do you mean by "less money"? The take home pay wouldn't change.

I've instituted 4 day work weeks successfully. Employees love the benefit and find ways to make it work.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The proposal is a government mandate. Employers could still have their workforce go over 32 hours, but they would require OT pay.

The question is, would you rather work 40 hours or work 32 hours for less money. Personally, I would take the 40. I would be more down for the 4-day work week, and get 3 days off.

Currently I have the front office organized in this manner and they love it.
About 60% work 4 10s, M-Th, and the other 40% work 4 10s, Tu-Fri
It cut OT down to nothing, which for the company is good, and people are happier - win/win.

Production floor is not that simple. There is no discipline like that, but they are allowed to take off early on Fridays as long as everything is done. During non peak times I do still pay them for 40 even if they work less, again as long as the work is done. It doesn't cost the company one dime more for paying them to leave, as paying them to stand around.

 

[StillBallin75]

The "it's a pay cut" people like to tell us we deserve less pay for less production, but can't explain why worker productivity is way more than what it used to be while wages stagnate.

They also can't tell me why it makes sense for Bezos to make $7 million an hour in 2023 sitting on his ass while his wages slaves are doing the actual work in the warehouse while having to piss in a bottle.

 

[Allan]

Other. Yes, I'd love a 32 hour work week. Not a fan of it being a gov mandate.

But the government already mandates the work week.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What do you mean by "less money"? The take home pay wouldn't change.

I've instituted 4 day work weeks successfully. Employees love the benefit and find ways to make it work.

And that would be the end of some businesses.
To think that every company can pay the same for 20% less production is simply insane. Many-many-many small companies make as little as 8%-10% profits.
So if the goal to to put many small businesses, out of business so business ownership can continue to go to fewer and fewer elites... then this will do it

 

[Ginger Ale]

The proposal is a government mandate. Employers could still have their workforce go over 32 hours, but they would require OT pay.

The question is, would you rather work 40 hours or work 32 hours for less money. Personally, I would take the 40. I would be more down for the 4-day work week, and get 3 days off.

My employees work about 35 hrs right now, but sometimes they pull overtime when a job requires it. It works out pretty good. I'm hoping that incentives are given for us small businesses. I'd love to see tax breaks for having a healthy work force.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Bernie's Proposal

You can read the proposal above, but here is the basic functions:

- The standard work week is 32 hours per week, instead of the 40 hour work week.
- Employers are not allowed to decrease wages or benefits.
- If you work more than 32 hours, you're required to get overtime pay.
- Less money, but more free time and (projected) higher productivity.
- Opponents argue that it will force employers to hire more people.
- Opponents argue it might be assembly-line work force.

Do you support or oppose this?

Oppose.

It's an automatic 25% pay increase employers must give their employees, which is absurd on its face. He argues (and quite ignorantly so) that cutting our hours would result in a corresponding increase in productivity. Clearly, he's daft - and so is anyone who actually believes that idiotic nonsense.

Frankly, I wish he'd cut his work hours to zero - because if anything would result in a corresponding increase in national productivity, that'd surely be it.

 

[Mycroft]

Bernie's Proposal

You can read the proposal above, but here is the basic functions:

- The standard work week is 32 hours per week, instead of the 40 hour work week.
- Employers are not allowed to decrease wages or benefits.
- If you work more than 32 hours, you're required to get overtime pay.
- Less money, but more free time and (projected) higher productivity.
- Opponents argue that it will force employers to hire more people.
- Opponents argue it might be assembly-line work force.

Do you support or oppose this?

I oppose this...just like I oppose a lot of unnecessary things the government does.

 

[Ginger Ale]

The "it's a pay cut" people like to tell us we deserve less pay for less production, but can't explain why worker productivity is way more than what it used to be while wages stagnate.

They also can't tell me why it makes sense for Bezos to make $7 million an hour in 2023 sitting on his ass while his wages slaves are doing the actual work in the warehouse while having to piss in a bottle.

Sure enough! It's got out of control for sure.

 

[VanceMack]

I fully support Bernie Sanders and any like minded socialist/commie investing their own money in businesses and running them however the **** they want to. Funny thing is...they ALWAYS talk shit about how they should be run...but...where are the businesses out there running like the commie rats claim they should be run? They dont exist.

Commies like Sanders ALWAYS pee themselves and whine about how OTHER PEOPLE should run their businesses.

 

[Allan]

And that would be the end of some businesses.
To think that every company can pay the same for 20% less production is simply insane. Many-many-many small companies make as little as 8%-10% profits.
So if the goal to to put many small businesses, out of business so business ownership can continue to go to fewer and fewer elites... then this will do it

It won't work for all industries. For example an automaker would have to increase labour by 20% at least to keep the same productivity.

My experience with it involved white collar. We went to 4 day work week and started everyone with 4 weeks vacation.

Supervisors and management don't get replaced when they're off so there was no additional cost.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Oppose.

It's an automatic 25% pay increase employers must give their employees, which is absurd on its face. He argues (and quite ignorantly so) that cutting our hours would result in a corresponding increase in productivity. Clearly, he's daft - and so is anyone who actually believes that idiotic nonsense.

Frankly, I wish he'd cut his work hours to zero - because if anything would result in a corresponding increase in national productivity, that'd surely be it.

Gosh, by this date there's sooooooo many studies showing the opposite to be true. People are healthier, happier and more productive with a shorter work week. It's just undeniable at this point.

 

[Ginger Ale]

And that would be the end of some businesses.
To think that every company can pay the same for 20% less production is simply insane. Many-many-many small companies make as little as 8%-10% profits.
So if the goal to to put many small businesses, out of business so business ownership can continue to go to fewer and fewer elites... then this will do it

That's why a tax credit would be great to start this work week cut.

 

[Helix]

The "it's a pay cut" people like to tell us we deserve less pay for less production, but can't explain why worker productivity is way more than what it used to be while wages stagnate.

They also can't tell me why it makes sense for Bezos to make $7 million an hour in 2023 sitting on his ass while his wages slaves are doing the actual work in the warehouse while having to piss in a bottle.

 

[Allan]

Gosh, by this date there's sooooooo many studies showing the opposite to be true. People are healthier, happier and more productive with a shorter work week. It's just undeniable at this point.

France has had a 35 hour work week for years.

 

[Cameron]

France has had a 35 hour work week for years.

France also has a lower GDP per capita than Mississippi (which has the lowest in the US).

 

[BrotherFease]

What do you mean by "less money"? The take home pay wouldn't change.

I've instituted 4 day work weeks successfully. Employees love the benefit and find ways to make it work.

Person A makes 20 dollars per hour, works 40 hours per week. That's 800 dollars per week.
Person B makes 20 dollars per hour, works 32 hours per week. That's 640 dollars per week.

Person A and Person B have the same wages, same employee benefits.

The proposal is not saying Person B would making 25 dollars per hours, works 32 hours per week.

It's not a 4-day work week proposal -- which is actually pretty darn good idea.

 

[Real blank]

I’m very happy to be convinced of the idea. I would have to think it through. Surely the 40 hour week is somewhat arbitrary, why shouldn’t it be 48 ?