• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Do you personally subscribe to Trump's "Never apologize" philosophy?

I am Canadian

I apologize very often,
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And he’s president and you’re not.

When it comes to politics it’s far better never to play defensive. Apologies only matter when all parties involved are decent. Since people who get outraged over politics or make accusations against political leaders or media outlets usually all have their own agendas apologizing for anything only serves to weaken yourself and enrich others with no principals. Trump handles this correctly.
Click to expand...

Battleship versus lighthouse. The applicable term is blunder.
Trump lacks integrity not only because he is incapable of admitting he's wrong or apologizing, but also because he's incapable of learning from his mistakes.
The former is a deplorable aspect of the human condition, while the latter is a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the republic.
 
Perotista said:
I understand about May. President's don't have to be obnoxious to succeed. Eisenhower and Reagan certainly weren't. Both were highly successful. I suppose depending on what side of the fence on stands whether one would look at Obama as being successful or not. But he was tactful and well liked as a person. Usually between 5-10 points higher on the likability scale than on the approval rating.

It's Trump's uncouth, name calling persona that is holding him back. If one goes inside the polls one finds out on the policy and issue level, those for and against are fairly evenly split. Yet he is always ten points or so below where he should be on job approval. "Perhaps this will help. Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict"

Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict

Put it this way, a friend of mine when talking about Trump's character, personality, he said that he could agree with him 100% on the issues and policies, but he still wouldn't vote for him.
Click to expand...

This is why I would prefer a president Pence to Trump despite the fact that I think in terms of policy Trump is the lesser evil.

The wost thing about Trump by far is his character. Part of his character is being arrogant even in areas where he has little to no knowledge. That's very very dangerous.
 
Sweden said:
Do you know I sort of agree with you - a full on Trump experience a close quarters might soon come very trying. But.

One of my two political leaders (I'm a dual national) is UK PM Theresa May who is kind nice gentle super-polite - all that sort of thing. She is also entirely useless, being timid, indecisive and prone to meekly obey 'advice' from the latest 'expert'. I'ld swap her for Trump every time.
Click to expand...
[emphasis added by bubba]
consider this a done deal ... and NO returns!
 
Last edited:
Shiftman said:
What say you do a couple of things: First, reread the thread and see what was said to me first.. Second, save your advice for someone else.
If you folks are the upper tier of intelligence here, I doubt that I would want to stay long anyway.
Click to expand...
with the benefit of a little time, you will laugh at that very thought
 
Shiftman said:
It goes without saying that all but the most radical of Trump suporters recognize that he has significant ego and self esteem issues. Whether these conditions-or an incorrect assumption that he is always right- drives his non apology is open for debate. What I am most curious to learn is how many posters here think that refusing to apologize is actually a character strength instead of a character flaw. Personally, I have apologizes countless times in my life and have felt better in doing so. There have also been numerous times that I was apologized to and gained a measure of respect for those who did the apologizing. The other thought is that if you actually think that never apologizing is okay, is this the philosophy that you have instilled upon your children as well?
Click to expand...



It has been my experience those who follow the "never apologize" idea are seldom honest as well. They will rip you off. The inability to admit a mistake is pure pride, ego, and it usually results in some form of catastrophe along with a complete failure to learn anything.

I have also noticed that such people find it hard to maintain relationships, have few friends, are not trusting of others and do not share with others. In fact, all of the people I've met that not admit a mistake are huge pricks.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It has been my experience those who follow the "never apologize" idea are seldom honest as well. Refusing to admit a mistake is pure pride, ego, and it usually results in some form of catastrophe along with a complete failure to learn anything.

I have also noticed that such people find it hard to maintain relationships, have few friends, are not trusting of others and do not share with others. In fact, all of the people I've met that not admit a mistake are huge pricks.
Click to expand...

Speaking truth is not a mistake.

Speaking your mind is rarely a mistake.

One should rarely/never apologize for either.
 
spud_meister said:
One can be mistaken when speaking their mind. An honest mistake should be rectified with an honest apology.
Click to expand...

If one attempts to speak their mind and fails then yes, perhaps apology for the poor speech is in order.

An apology for allegedly causing offense probably not.
 
trixare4kids said:
A man of my own heart... well said.
Click to expand...

I go one step further: "Those who can not deal with Truth and those who can not deal with other people being real best head to an infirmary to protect their fragile health, and one hopes to get better. DO NOT be claiming that I cant speak because the victims cant tolerate it, because they are offended...I am not having any of that".

R U still with me?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If one attempts to speak their mind and fails then yes, perhaps apology for the poor speech is in order.

An apology for allegedly causing offense probably not.
Click to expand...

That's nonsense. Your intentions are meaningless when weighed against the consequence of your actions. It's a coward that refuses responsibility for what they've done, whether they intended it or not.
 
spud_meister said:
That's nonsense. Your intentions are meaningless when weighed against the consequence of your actions. It's a coward that refuses responsibility for what they've done, whether they intended it or not.
Click to expand...

I am not even responsible for my own feelings much less others...feelings just are, they come and go on their own.

I completely reject your argument.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not even responsible for my own feelings much less others...feelings just are, they come and go on their own.

I completely reject your argument.
Click to expand...

Of course you do. It's unthinkable that you would bear responsibility for your actions.
 
spud_meister said:
That's nonsense. Your intentions are meaningless when weighed against the consequence of your actions. It's a coward that refuses responsibility for what they've done, whether they intended it or not.
Click to expand...

No, it is not nonsense. First amendment implies, You have the right to offend and be offended.
Do you know what that means?
 
spud_meister said:
Of course you do. It's unthinkable that you would bear responsibility for your actions.
Click to expand...

The first amendment says otherwise.

If you agree fine, but it would behoove you to study up on my responsibilities as a citizen of this country.

re·spon·si·bil·i·ty
rəˌspänsəˈbilədē/Submit
noun
the state or fact of having a duty to deal with something or of having control over someone.
synonyms: authority, control, power, leadership
"a job with greater responsibility"
a thing that one is required to do as part of a job, role, or legal obligation.
plural noun: responsibilities
"he will take over the responsibilities of overseas director"
synonyms: duty, task, function, job, role, business
"it was his responsibility to find witnesses"
 
trixare4kids said:
No, it is not nonsense. First amendment implies, You have the right to offend and be offended.
Do you know what that means?
Click to expand...

This is the problem with modern conservatives, they're all rights and no responsibilities. You're responsible for your actions, and for the consequences of your actions, regardless of intent.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is why I would prefer a president Pence to Trump despite the fact that I think in terms of policy Trump is the lesser evil.

The wost thing about Trump by far is his character. Part of his character is being arrogant even in areas where he has little to no knowledge. That's very very dangerous.
Click to expand...

Exactly.
 
spud_meister said:
This is the problem with modern conservatives, they're all rights and no responsibilities. You're responsible for your actions, and for the consequences of your actions, regardless of intent.
Click to expand...

Don't get carried away here.
If someone legally libels or slanders you then I will recognize your rights.
But you cannot sit here and tell me that the first amendment does not give me the right to my opinion. IF my opinion offends you, it is not my problem.

It's yours.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom