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Do you personally subscribe to Trump's "Never apologize" philosophy?

Mycroft said:
It has nothing to do with flattering Trump or not.

Your very first sentence was a dishonest statement designed to minimize any response. That's your hackish behavior. Own it.
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You have a volumous posting total. Indicative of someone more intent on jabbering than actually learning. Now, might I suggest that you "gouge" someone else before you get your feelings hurt by engaging me. Thanks.
 
Mycroft said:
It has nothing to do with flattering Trump or not.

Your very first sentence was a dishonest statement designed to minimize any response. That's your hackish behavior. Own it.
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My first statement was MY opinon and I am entitled to it. Got it?
 
Shiftman said:
Do you DP Trump guys ALWAYS deflect from the OP if it isnt flattering of Trump? Now, please respond to the topic.
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According to your OP, you wanted to know this:

"What I am most curious to learn is how many posters here think that refusing to apologize is actually a character strength instead of a character flaw"

You wanted to bash Trump, I merely pointed out that the left does not appologize for the crap they get wrong. It begs the question of why should I hold others to a standard that you don't hold yourselves too.

I don't appologize to people who don't deserve them and the majority of the lefts leadership fit that catagory. They are dishonest power brokers with no morales or scruples. No reason to capitulate to any of their demands.

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SonOfDaedalus said:
Huh? What's your point?



The reality is that Trump's comment only proves how ignorant he is. Any person on the street knows Christianity is about asking God for forgiveness for your sins. He shows a shocking lack of basic knowledge.
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My point is not too difficult to grasp: that if one get's one's political opponent to say 'Sorry!' one can make capital out of this.

Now when I am a person 'on the street' I know that Christianity, like other religions is a load of irrational hogwash. (My appreciation of this truth was advanced eight years of intensive Catholic mis-education).
 
justabubba said:
tRump's view of the world is a binary one
you are either strong or weak
his mentor, roy cohn, red-baiting consigliere to the infamous joseph mccarthy, taught tRump to never display a sign of weakness. making an apology was a sign of weakness to them. no surprise, federal prosecutors unsuccessfully pursued cohn for fraud, bribery, and conspiracy
and we see this binary approach as negatively impacting the white house staff. slip up and apologize and the boss assumes you are weak; plan to be his public target of ridicule thereafter

to your question, whether i personally subscribe to such an ethic; sometimes, unfortunately. i tend to be stubborn even when i know i am wrong [not that it is ever evident on these boards, however View attachment 67233182]
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Thanks for getting back on topic despite the efforts to derail the thread by a couple of parroting Trump fans.
I think that we all have instances where we have difficulty apologizing, but I would consider those brief periods of character lapses and certainly not a terminal case of simply thinking that we are too morally or intellectually superior to have to apologize. I cant help but think that a segment of supporters of this philosophy must be void of character themselves. It is truly a sad day when partisan politics overrides are moral decency and character.
 
Shiftman said:
You have a volumous posting total. Indicative of someone more intent on jabbering than actually learning. Now, might I suggest that you "gouge" someone else before you get your feelings hurt by engaging me. Thanks.
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You haven't been around here long enough to know anything about me. I suggest you lurk for a while before shooting off your mouth.

LOL!! Anyone who's been here longer than you knows how transparent your tactics are...and dismiss them out of hand.
 
Shiftman said:
My first statement was MY opinon and I am entitled to it. Got it?
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Sure...everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even hacks.
 
trouble13 said:
According to your OP, you wanted to know this:

"What I am most curious to learn is how many posters here think that refusing to apologize is actually a character strength instead of a character flaw"

You wanted to bash Trump, I merely pointed out that the left does not appologize for the crap they get wrong. It begs the question of why should I hold others to a standard that you don't hold yourselves too.

I don't appologize to people who don't deserve them and the majority of the lefts leadership fit that catagory. They are dishonest power brokers with no morales or scruples. No reason to capitulate to any of their demands.

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And you have yet to answer the question. Instead, chosing to tell me what my posting intent was-which you are NOT entitled to do, and engaging in some unrelated psych babble. For whatever reason, the Trump supporters here are far more hostile and rude than can be found on other sites. Too bad that is allowed to exist on what appears to be a decent site otherwise.

Now, if you feel that you are also too morally superior to ever need to apologize, simply say so and we can move on.
 
trouble13 said:
Is it? Then why did you try to obscure your intent to bash trump behind the false premises that it was about if you should appologize?

Thanks for clarifying your true intent. And your right I will avoid this thread, I have no desire to engage in dishonest conversations

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Please feel free to point out anything have said about trump that is not true.

Good, move along Skippy, you are dismissed.
 
Perotista said:
Well, I know most anti-Trump post on this site is done by Partisan Democrats and most pro-Trump post by partisan Republicans. That tends to go without saying. I dislike Trump. More on his uncouth, obnoxious persona than on the policies and issues. I also think he is an egotistical SOB with an ego bigger than the Empire state building. That he can't stand to have a single person say one tiny thing bad about him without him going off on a temper tantrum and creating another needless feud.

His inability to apologize is part of his very thin skinned character. Some folks like his take no prisoner profane name calling manner. I don't. I do think if Trump had a decent personality, a better persona more like Reagan than what he is, perhaps I would be on board his Trump Train with some of the things he has done policy wise. Like all presidents before him, Trump has done somethings I'm for and somethings I was against. It is the man himself I can't stand. He reminds me of a five year old temper tantrum thrower, name caller that whose parents failed to teach him any manners.

I agree with the poster, not being able to apologize is a character flaw. He has a ton as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust him, he says one thing one day, the complete opposite the next and on the third day at times denies saying anything at all. History may show or not that he was a good president. Today, I can't stand him although I probably been for more of the things he has done or tried to do than opposed. I didn't vote for him in 2016 and if he runs again, I'd never vote for him in 2020. I'm not a Clintonista either. I didn't vote for her either. I voted against both major party candidates voting third party.

The way I look at this is that 2016 was a good news, bad news election. The good news, Clinton lost. The bad news, Trump won.
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Do you know I sort of agree with you - a full on Trump experience a close quarters might soon come very trying. But.

One of my two political leaders (I'm a dual national) is UK PM Theresa May who is kind nice gentle super-polite - all that sort of thing. She is also entirely useless, being timid, indecisive and prone to meekly obey 'advice' from the latest 'expert'. I'ld swap her for Trump every time.
 
Shiftman said:
You have a volumous posting total. Indicative of someone more intent on jabbering than actually learning. Now, might I suggest that you "gouge" someone else before you get your feelings hurt by engaging me. Thanks.
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That's what you think of everyone who isn't some newbie hack going off half cocked? Its called experience here, perhaps you should consider gaining some before running your mouth. First impressions matter and your "logic" of "high post count = talks but doesn't listen" is completely non-sequitur.

You are going to have a bad time here, engaging in so many projections and baseless accusations.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
That's what you think of everyone who isn't some newbie hack going off half cocked? Its called experience here, perhaps you should consider gaining some before running your mouth. First impressions matter and your "logic" of "high post count = talks but doesn't listen" is completely non-sequitur.

You are going to have a bad time here, engaging in so many projections and baseless accusations.
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What say you do a couple of things: First, reread the thread and see what was said to me first.. Second, save your advice for someone else.
If you folks are the upper tier of intelligence here, I doubt that I would want to stay long anyway.
 
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Sweden said:
My point is not too difficult to grasp: that if one get's one's political opponent to say 'Sorry!' one can make capital out of this.
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I can't remember any instances where an apology has strengthened the opposition. An apology makes you seem humble and honest.

If Trump had just apologized for his s-hole comment that would have diffused the story immediately. If he had just apologized about his Stormy affair and allowed her to tell her story, that story would have died. If he had apologized about the John McCain comment, that story would have died.

If anything not apologizing creates a new story about not apologizing.

Even if you consider ordinary life, apologizing is always more effective than not.
 
Its called experience here, .[/QUOTE]
No experince is required to slam somebody who is entitled to his opinion. If you equate same, you are simply " more of the same" and someone whose opinion would not interest me in the slightest.
 
Casper said:
Please feel free to point out anything have said about trump that is not true.

Good, move along Skippy, you are dismissed.
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Wow. "Spirited debate" seems to get personal around here real quick.....(
I applaud you for your persistance.
 
Shiftman said:
Wow. "Spirited debate" seems to get personal around here real quick.....(
I applaud you for your persistance.
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Thought you said you were done, just can't help yourself?
 
Shiftman said:
And you have yet to answer the question. Instead, chosing to tell me what my posting intent was-which you are NOT entitled to do, and engaging in some unrelated psych babble. For whatever reason, the Trump supporters here are far more hostile and rude than can be found on other sites. Too bad that is allowed to exist on what appears to be a decent site otherwise.

Now, if you feel that you are also too morally superior to ever need to apologize, simply say so and we can move on.
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The left does not deserve the apologies they demand until they start practicing what they preach.

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trouble13 said:
The left does not deserve the apologies they demand until they start practicing what they preach.

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We are not talking about the "left". We wnever were talking about the "left". The question was a very simple one: Do you think apologizing when warranted is an attribute or a flaw?
 
Sweden said:
Do you know I sort of agree with you - a full on Trump experience a close quarters might soon come very trying. But.

One of my two political leaders (I'm a dual national) is UK PM Theresa May who is kind nice gentle super-polite - all that sort of thing. She is also entirely useless, being timid, indecisive and prone to meekly obey 'advice' from the latest 'expert'. I'ld swap her for Trump every time.
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I understand about May. President's don't have to be obnoxious to succeed. Eisenhower and Reagan certainly weren't. Both were highly successful. I suppose depending on what side of the fence on stands whether one would look at Obama as being successful or not. But he was tactful and well liked as a person. Usually between 5-10 points higher on the likability scale than on the approval rating.

It's Trump's uncouth, name calling persona that is holding him back. If one goes inside the polls one finds out on the policy and issue level, those for and against are fairly evenly split. Yet he is always ten points or so below where he should be on job approval. "Perhaps this will help. Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict"

Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict

Put it this way, a friend of mine when talking about Trump's character, personality, he said that he could agree with him 100% on the issues and policies, but he still wouldn't vote for him.
 
Shiftman said:
Yet another one joins in.....lol
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I offered an intelligent opinion early in the thread regarding your thread premise and you completely ignored it. Probably because your real missive here is to mock those you alleged are "immersed in Trumpism" while "justifying his lying"

The quotes are your words, and they tell me all I need to know about you.
 
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