Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally. [W:349]

[jimbo]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

No they are not. Go find a white supremacist rally, I'm sure they'll appreciate your rhetoric there.

I can't stand either group. You won't find me attending either rally or defending either group.

OTOH, I really don't much care whether you appreciate my rhetoric either.

 

[OlNate]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I can't stand either group. You won't find me attending either rally or defending either group.

OTOH, I really don't much care whether you appreciate my rhetoric either.

Then why did you offer it?

 

[Fletch]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

BLM advocate redress of the disparity in social and economic outcomes of black people, Antifa are opposed to Fascism. Nazis and the KKK advocate totalitarianism, anti-constitutionalism, ethnic cleansing and genocide. I'm not sure how you draw a moral equivalence.

You draw the moral equivalence based upon the core ideology of each side. Here what we have essentially is fascists v Marxists. Both are equally vile and violent. If an employee of mine were a member or either group, I would can him. That said, it is good of you to expose the moral blindness you have toward your ideological allies on the radical left.

 

[jimbo]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Then why did you offer it?

Not caring what you think does not in any way mean I won't offer my opinion. It means I don't care what you think.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

The story I linked was about a wrongly targeted man.
He and his family had to leave their home because people targeted him.

It's just needless escalation.

Yea. In glad I'm not the only one who sees that.

The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).

 

[X Factor]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Wanna hop off your cross for a moment and understand that publicly shaming Nazis as well-- Nazis isn't going to lead to the slippery slope argument you are implying here.

I'm asking you what your boundaries, if any, are.

 

[OlNate]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Not caring what you think does not in any way mean I won't offer my opinion. It means I don't care what you think.

Ah...well, good chat, your false equivalency was good for an eye roll, little else. Though I do find it a little odd that my post, which you commented on, had nothing to do with BLM, yet your bring them up as a counter to dilute criticism of another group you claim to "hate". Maybe figure out where you stand before you offer your opinion, as you appear to be all over the place at the moment, it's very difficult to follow.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I think you will reap what you sow. If you think id'ing nazis to get them fired, you really wont be able to whine when they out an antifa professor and stage a tiki torch nazi vigil on his front lawn.


Do you think these scumbags have real jobs anyway?



Furthermore, you people wont stop there. Like CNN threatening to dox someone over using thier logo, your ilk would start outing "Racists" like don quixote chasing windmills. Another mcarthy era witch hunt. **** you guys already call anyone who disagrees with you "Racist".

Non sequitur.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

They are mob actions. That is quite different than individual actions.

Also, it's one thing to "want" something to occur, but not acting on it. That's those Nazi guys. I mean, when have any American Nazi people actually engaged in genocide or ethnic cleansing?

It's another thing to actually "do" something. Most every time BLM gets out there, violence and destruction happens. EVERY TIME Antifa gets out there, violence and destruction happens.

Are you willing to act against the Nazi guys...and give the BLM and Antifa guys a pass? That seems to be what people are doing now.

If what you said were so . . . but it is not.

 

[katzgar]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

You draw the moral equivalence based upon the core ideology of each side. Here what we have essentially is fascists v Marxists. Both are equally vile and violent. If an employee of mine were a member or either group, I would can him. That said, it is good of you to expose the moral blindness you have toward your ideological allies on the radical left.

bullcrap

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

You draw the moral equivalence based upon the core ideology of each side. Here what we have essentially is fascists v Marxists. Both are equally vile and violent. If an employee of mine were a member or either group, I would can him. That said, it is good of you to expose the moral blindness you have toward your ideological allies on the radical left.

Fletch, there are no Marxists, except those in Russia, whom you like.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

When someone says "the methods are the same but their aims are different", it is a distinction without a difference. As long as one agrees with the goals, the behavior is acceptable? Bombing an (unoccupied) Planned Parenthood office is not acceptable because one is pro-choice but bombing a (unoccupied) pharmaceutical company for animal testing is acceptable because of a pro-animal rights stance?

"It is ok for someone to do something horrible for a cause I believe in" is not really a good defense for anything.

Not employing people who believe in violence and murder of others is a good thing.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Be careful what you wish for, because if it's done to you or escalated to include your families, I won't shed a single tear for you.
People have already attempted to dox these guys and ended up harassing the wrong people twice.
Not to mention that retaliation has been done to at least 1 person.

So as long as you're ok with the risks (to you and your family) of going from condemning wrongthink, to assisting in real life punishment for wrongthink.
Go right ahead.
I think it's stupid.

^^^ That is a perfect wrong think statement.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Non sequitur.

I accept your concession.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I'm not sure that the government should be allowed to publicly shame a political movement and or its members. That seems rather close to a breach of constitutional rights.

The president is into the name shame game every day.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

^^^ That is a perfect wrong think statement.

Why?
Explain.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I accept your concession.

Thank you for conceding. Your statement did not mean what you thought it meant, and now you double down on it.

 

[joG]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I'm asking you what your boundaries, if any, are.

That he be safe.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Why? Explain.

Because there is no equivalency. There is a non-nazi group and there is a neo-nazi group, the latter one which is going to be crushed by its fellow non-nazi citizens.

 

[joG]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

The president is into the name shame game every day.

As many have been. That does not mean it is legal in any other sense than that it is not brought to trial. We are more frequently sloppy with enforcing constitutional and other law,than most like to realize.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Because there is no equivalency. There is a non-nazi group and there is a neo-nazi group, the latter one which is going to be crushed by its fellow non-nazi citizens.

You're going beyond what the sweeping majority of those nazis did.
You're going beyond just telling your beliefs, to acting out your beliefs, against someone else.

When you cross that threshold, they'll start crossing it to.
Guess which of you is the worst and which of you is more likely to commit violence.
What you and others are advocating for is immoral and unethical.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I have mixed feelings about this.

These are individuals appearing in public, and making public statements. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. I have pretty much zero sympathy for anyone who is outed as a neo-Nazi.

However, some types of harassment are not acceptable. Notifying an employer seems like fair game; sending threatening emails, or verbally harassing people, or going to extremes (like swatting) are not justifiable. Identifying people in this way almost certainly encourages people to harass the target.

We should also note that fascists/alt-righters etc are already doing this to counter-protestors and political opponents, and frequently engage in massive harassment campaigns. It is unjustified to hold this against the fascist organizations, and laud it in the counter-protestors. I'm not sure if there is any benefit in attempting to maintain the high ground, though, in an era where the slightest misstep is blown out of proportion by political antagonists.

On a practical, one or even two photos are not a very good way to identify someone, especially in the hands of untrained members of the general public. There are already cases of people being misidentified as participating in the weekend's protests.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If what you said were so . . . but it is not.

Okay. I guess that if you say it's not, that means it's not. (whatever you have in your mind when you say that)

You don't really give much of a comment to respond to, so I guess we leave it at that.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

bullcrap

Fletch, there are no Marxists, except those in Russia, whom you like.

Dumb and dumber.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Dumb and dumber.

Yes, that is exactly what are your statements.

There are no Marxists in America who are out driving cars into crowed or creating situations in which helicopters crash and kill people.

There is no equivalency between the neo-nazi bad guys and the good guys who are out in protest against them.