Do you fear becoming a minority?

[veritas1]

So then why did you make that dumb post to him?

I didn't claim anything about where conservatives live.

The point is that conservatives aren't the ones calling the other side racist. If liberals think people are racist because they live in mostly white communities then they should move out of those communities themselves. Liberals are all for having people flood in over the southern border as long as they live in someone else's neighborhood.

 

[veritas1]

The topic is diversity and you brought up liberals living behind walls. So I asked you direct, relevant questions about YOUR statements.

What do walls have to do with diversity? Walls supposedly are non-discriminatory regarding race or ethnicity...yes or no? So then why did you bring up walls when the topic is diversity? Please explain.

I didn't bring up walls except to say that liberal elites live behind them while at the same time claiming one on the border is immoral. That's hypocrisy. They live in upscale, white, migrant free (except for the help) neighborhoods yet call others racist if they do not like being invaded by migrants. More hypocrisy.

 

[veritas1]

I'm sure you realize there're hypocrites in every possible group of Americans. Take these two groups, one, rich liberals who care about the poor, make large donations to soup kitchens and work to pass legislation helping the poor. But because they don't want to rub elbows with the less fortunate, they hypocritically live in gated communities.

The second, rich conservatives who couldn't care less about the poor or anyone but themselves, make large donations to the NRA and work to pass legislation helping the rich. But because they're racists and don't want to rub elbows with non-whites, they honestly live in gated communities.

You may find the first group's hypocricy disgusting, but I find the second groups racism much worst. You may prefer the second group due to their honesty, but Ill take the first group due to their having hearts, bleeding or otherwise...

You make several errors here. The first is that conservatives do not give to charity. I would submit that they give much more than liberals and studies have born this out. Secondly, you assume that conservatives are racists. Let me ask you, does that include black, Latino and Asian conservatives? If they can afford to live in gated communities, do the white people there move out? I don't think so. You operate from faulty premises and, thus, your conclusions must also be faulty.

 

[veritas1]

Well, would Beverly Hills be such an "liberal elite" "lily white" enclave ? Hmmm? Okay, the FACTS:



Now then, if you are going to argue that the diversity mix is disproportional in favor of whites versus minorities, compared to the general population ( actually, I don't thing it's far off) that's not the point, the point is that minorities are welcome. To counter your argument, in case you posit it, let's not hide the fact that whites have oppressed minorities for quite a few centuries, so it's understandable that the numbers will be disproportional. the important fact is, they are welcome, and they do, indeed, live there.


Please provide evidence of the left finding people at Walmart expressing anxieties of one type or another jumping on it like a dog on a ham bone.




Well now, looks like you're learning from Trump, doing his "The Art Of The Con" which is to accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty.

Naturally, you didn't disprove anything I said. Does Pelosi live in Hollywood? How about the Clintons? Obama? Feinstein? You get the idea. Also, you can be quite sure that the multi-millionaires living in Hollywood only see migrants when the gardeners or housekeepers are around. The point about Walmart was a general one to describe the types of people that the left all thinks are racist if they don't want to be invaded by migrants. Obviously, you failed to grasp it. In fact, you failed pretty much all around.

 

[veritas1]

This is another talking point I hear on conservative radio all the time. Are you a Dennis Prager listener? About a week ago he did a long riff on how liberals don't know what "melting pot" means. It's amazing how closely posts on this message board match up with what I hear in just a half hour to an hour of conservative news each day on my way to and from work. It's all the same talking points.

There are two conflicting messages, though:
1. Liberals are obsessed with identity politics and think you are defined by your status as a gay, black, female, transgender individual.
2. Liberals want to force America to accept and cater to gay, black, female, trans individuals. Example: the absurd bathroom debate about what gender bathroom trans people should be using. Another great example was the time we were told liberals were forcing neighborhoods to be more diverse.

So if we are to assume that's true, why would liberals want to force people to integrate if they don't believe in a melting pot? Isn't building a wall along the border and radically shifting immigration policies to accept people from white countries and far fewer from Mexico/South and Central American/Middle Eastern countries doing the opposite of creating a melting pot? In other words, do you think you might have it backwards?

Nope. First off, I don't listen to talk radio, haven't for years and years. If Prager said what I said then we're all just making the same observation, one liberals reinforce daily. They are obsessed with race, gender etc.

Secondly, you can be all for forcing together people of different races, etc. and not believe in the melting pot. It's all about teaching whitey a lesson for his centuries of "white priviiege" as well as his "racism", "misogyny" and "homophobia". It's about shoving their agenda on people, not about one nation where we think of ourselves as Americans before anything else.

Thirdly, who said anything about radically shifting immigration policies? The only radical shifting I want is for people to apply and come in legally. Again, this is being made into a race argument when that is not the point at issue. Having our immigration law enforced is the point and the only point.

 

[Mustachio]

Nope. First off, I don't listen to talk radio, haven't for years and years. If Prager said what I said then we're all just making the same observation, one liberals reinforce daily. They are obsessed with race, gender etc.

Secondly, you can be all for forcing together people of different races, etc. and not believe in the melting pot. It's all about teaching whitey a lesson for his centuries of "white priviiege" as well as his "racism", "misogyny" and "homophobia". It's about shoving their agenda on people, not about one nation where we think of ourselves as Americans before anything else.

Thirdly, who said anything about radically shifting immigration policies? The only radical shifting I want is for people to apply and come in legally. Again, this is being made into a race argument when that is not the point at issue. Having our immigration law enforced is the point and the only point.

I just highlighted the differences between your perception and reality. Teaching "whitey" a lesson? So now liberals are no longer a party which has a significant majority of white people? I believe you don't listen to Prager, but I don't believe you live in a bubble, and I do believe you're hearing the echo chamber and are repeating these nonsensical talking points. Denying racism, misogyny and homophobia? Interracial marriage, women voting, and homosexual behavior was literally illegal for centuries. You can keep your talking points, but why are you putting "racism" in quotations which implies America wasn't a country that was racist for centuries. Even Abraham Lincoln whom I deeply admire said that he preferred the "white race" remained the superior of the two in precisely those words. And he freed the slaves!

And who said anything about radically shifting immigration policies? Oh, I don't know, maybe the government?

The Senate bill also makes a permanent, far-reaching change to immigration law not mentioned in the president’s January 19 speech. “The bill eliminates the availability of TPS for the future by fundamentally altering the current TPS statute,” explains Smyers. “It creates a requirement that a person has maintained lawful presence in the United States when his or her home country suffers, for example, a natural disaster or armed conflict. Current law does not require you maintain legal status to apply or benefit from TPS, which means this change would prevent any undocumented person in the future from ever applying or receiving Temporary Protected Status.”

The bill contains other permanent features to U.S. immigration law that will make it will make it much more difficult for all individuals to gain asylum. The bill defines as potentially “frivolous” asylum claims in which individuals also seek employment. “Nearly everyone seeking asylum intends to work as their applications are processed,” said Collopy. “It is a necessity for survival – especially when the processing of asylum applications can take several years. Asylum law has never before excluded such individuals. Attorneys will not be allowed the opportunity to object or explain any concerns with the claim before a judge can enter a finding saying an asylum application is frivolous.”

So then, according to your post, you are opposed to Trump's proposals which most certainly do say something about radically shifting immigration policies.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yet white, liberal elites live in upscale lily white enclaves behind walled estates. The left gives that a pass but if they find people at Walmart expressing anxieties of one type or another, they jump on that like a dog on a ham bone. It's dishonest and hypocritical but hardly unexpected since it happens again and again.

Huh?

You have evidence I assume that every liberal in creation " live in upscale lily white enclaves behind walled estates"?

For the record, the most heard language in my neighborhood in Vancouver is Mandarin. I have lived in the Caribbean as one of twenty two n whites on a island of 10,000.

In Montreal I was the minority, English speaking.

What I know is that anyone who would create a blow hard, derisive post like that would never exist in any of them.

For the record? Conservative itself is a shallow minority, existing in wealthy enclaves of desperation and despair. Conservatives ARE the minority.

Universal health care is here to stay. Get over it.

 

[veritas1]

I just highlighted the differences between your perception and reality. Teaching "whitey" a lesson? So now liberals are no longer a party which has a significant majority of white people? I believe you don't listen to Prager, but I don't believe you live in a bubble, and I do believe you're hearing the echo chamber and are repeating these nonsensical talking points. Denying racism, misogyny and homophobia? Interracial marriage, women voting, and homosexual behavior was literally illegal for centuries. You can keep your talking points, but why are you putting "racism" in quotations which implies America wasn't a country that was racist for centuries. Even Abraham Lincoln whom I deeply admire said that he preferred the "white race" remained the superior of the two in precisely those words. And he freed the slaves!

And who said anything about radically shifting immigration policies? Oh, I don't know, maybe the government?



So then, according to your post, you are opposed to Trump's proposals which most certainly do say something about radically shifting immigration policies.

Of course it's about punishing white people. White liberals are nothing if not guilt ridden. They fairly ooze it. They think because slavery once existed that some moral obligation has been conferred on people living 150 years later to meet some arbitrary standard set by them.

Women didn't vote? Yea, so? Now they do. That's a long way from the "I believe survivors" mantra we were told we should follow. Of course, that only applies when the person accused is a conservative. Have you seen anything happen to Keith Ellison? Corey Booker? Fairfax? Where are the protests about them? You also noticed, I'm sure, how many women had to accuse Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein before the left took notice. So, yea there's a gross double standard there, too.

Lastly, the law you referenced applies to ALL would be asylum seekers, not just non-white ones. The fact that most illegal immigrants are non-white is simply a fact but it matters not at all except among people who see some political benefit in bringing it up. If most illegal immigrants are non-white and you oppose illegal immigration, then you are, de-facto, against people of color according to the left. That is a dishonest portrayal but a convenient one for changing the subject away from their support for people from other countries over our own citizens.

 

[veritas1]

Huh?

You have evidence I assume that every liberal in creation " live in upscale lily white enclaves behind walled estates"?

For the record, the most heard language in my neighborhood in Vancouver is Mandarin. I have lived in the Caribbean as one of twenty two n whites on a island of 10,000.

In Montreal I was the minority, English speaking.

What I know is that anyone who would create a blow hard, derisive post like that would never exist in any of them.

For the record? Conservative itself is a shallow minority, existing in wealthy enclaves of desperation and despair. Conservatives ARE the minority.

Universal health care is here to stay. Get over it.

This isn't about you despite you thinking it is. I also never said every liberal in creation. I'm talking about the ones trying to shame us on questions of illegal immigration. The big mouths on TV constantly. You know who I mean. They're all for migrants as long as they live elsewhere.

Lastly, I live in a nice enough place but not anything that would be called a "wealthy enclave". Neither am I desperate or in despair. As for Obama, the country was tortured by his ineptitude and wrongheaded policies, not by what color he was.

Oh, and we do not have universal healthcare here, just to set the record straight.

 

[Mustachio]

Of course it's about punishing white people. White liberals are nothing if not guilt ridden. They fairly ooze it. They think because slavery once existed that some moral obligation has been conferred on people living 150 years later to meet some arbitrary standard set by them.

Women didn't vote? Yea, so? Now they do. That's a long way from the "I believe survivors" mantra we were told we should follow. Of course, that only applies when the person accused is a conservative. Have you seen anything happen to Keith Ellison? Corey Booker? Fairfax? Where are the protests about them? You also noticed, I'm sure, how many women had to accuse Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein before the left took notice. So, yea there's a gross double standard there, too.

Lastly, the law you referenced applies to ALL would be asylum seekers, not just non-white ones. The fact that most illegal immigrants are non-white is simply a fact but it matters not at all except among people who see some political benefit in bringing it up. If most illegal immigrants are non-white and you oppose illegal immigration, then you are, de-facto, against people of color according to the left. That is a dishonest portrayal but a convenient one for changing the subject away from their support for people from other countries over our own citizens.

I'm going to say this: you have a right to your opinion. You're so far out there, you couldn't be reeled in by Quint, Brody and Hooper.

 

[Lursa]

I didn't bring up walls except to say that liberal elites live behind them while at the same time claiming one on the border is immoral. That's hypocrisy. They live in upscale, white, migrant free (except for the help) neighborhoods yet call others racist if they do not like being invaded by migrants. More hypocrisy.

Why did you bring up walls and liberals in a discussion on diversity? Walls are for security. Walls are to keep crime/criminals out.

Why did you bring up walls around people's homes in a thread on diversity?

 

[veritas1]

Why did you bring up walls and liberals in a discussion on diversity? Walls are for security. Walls are to keep crime/criminals out.

Why did you bring up walls around people's homes in a thread on diversity?

I've answered that at least three times. I'm not answering it again. This thread is also not about diversity. It's about trying to persuade everyone of the supposed unfounded fears of white people. If people spent as much time on something constructive as they do on racial games and identity politics, maybe we wouldn't have the divide now existing.

 

[Lursa]

I've answered that at least three times. I'm not answering it again. This thread is also not about diversity. It's about trying to persuade everyone of the supposed unfounded fears of white people. If people spent as much time on something constructive as they do on racial games and identity politics, maybe we wouldn't have the divide now existing.

Ah...so you fear people of different races, ethnicities, cultures? Well not everyone does. So while *you* associate danger and crime with diversity, you'll have to provide some sources why you believe that most of us have walls or fences or any security concerns AT ALL because of 'diversity.'

This is apparently your psychological hang up that you are projecting on other people. I'd like to see some foundation for reasonable people to fear diversity. Can you provide something?

 

[veritas1]

Ah...so you fear people of different races, ethnicities, cultures? Well not everyone does. So while *you* associate danger and crime with diversity, you'll have to provide some sources why you believe that most of us have walls or fences or any security concerns AT ALL because of 'diversity.'

This is apparently your psychological hang up that you are projecting on other people. I'd like to see some foundation for reasonable people to fear diversity. Can you provide something?

Hilarious. Do you even read what's posted or just rush off into your own little diatribes? Being opposed to illegal immigration has NOTHING to do with fearing diversity. Most legal immigrants oppose it, too. That's just plainly idiotic to suggest. I also married a first generation immigrant from Latin America and have known many such people. How about you?

 

[Lursa]

Hilarious. Do you even read what's posted or just rush off into your own little diatribes? Being opposed to illegal immigration has NOTHING to do with fearing diversity. Most legal immigrants oppose it, too. That's just plainly idiotic to suggest. I also married a first generation immigrant from Latin America and have known many such people. How about you?

I didnt mention illegal immigration.

The topic is about diversity. You accused liberals of being hypocrites because they have walls around their homes.

That's where I picked up the discussion with you. I asked you why you went from diversity to walls around houses. You have yet to manage any coherent reason.

Here is the initial exchange:

Yet white, liberal elites live in upscale lily white enclaves behind walled estates. The left gives that a pass but if they find people at Walmart expressing anxieties of one type or another, they jump on that like a dog on a ham bone. It's dishonest and hypocritical but hardly unexpected since it happens again and again.

??? Liberal elites build walls to keep out diversity? Source that.

I would say a more accurate statement would be that people use walls and other security precautions to keep out crime.

In your mind, is crime linked directly with other cultures (diversity)?

Why did you bring up the bold in a thread about diversity? Can you answer that very specific and direct question?

 

[SoCal]

You make several errors here. The first is that conservatives do not give to charity. I would submit that they give much more than liberals and studies have born this out...

Please re-read my post. You're confusing a hypothetical example to make a point with a claimed fact.

...Secondly, you assume that conservatives are racists. Let me ask you, does that include black, Latino and Asian conservatives? If they can afford to live in gated communities, do the white people there move out? I don't think so. You operate from faulty premises and, thus, your conclusions must also be faulty.

I don't assume that 'conservatives' are racist, it's obviously not true. But given their opposition to the civil rights movement, desegregation and every private and public program designed to help them, I know that a larger percentage of conservatives are racist than liberals.

These days, non-Cult normal people wouldn't be so inclined to assume conservatives are racist, if they didn't follow and defend a racist leader. And no, I'm not going to post links to ten more documented examples again, do it yourself if you're still in denial.

But you have a point on the rich who live in gated communities. The rich of all colors generally like to stick together, having much more in common with themselves than with the poor of their same race. And you're right again about rich conservatives, they give diddly-squat to charities who're in desperate need. This makes their NRA donations much larger, it's a sorta two birds with one stone thing...

I've answered that at least three times. I'm not answering it again. This thread is also not about diversity. It's about trying to persuade everyone of the supposed unfounded fears of white people...

It's my thread and it's about whether whites fear becoming a minority in three decades. I'll put you in the 'I do' camp...

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Thanks for confirming what I said above.

Boise:

89% white
3.2% asian
1.5% black


Now, please tell us how we're all afraid of non-whites and don't want to live with them.

Did you really just do that to yourself?

You used the stats of a city that has a higher than statistical population of white people and a lower than statistical population of minorities to prove your point?

Really?

This has to be a mistake.

 

[SoCal]

You make several errors here. The first is that conservatives do not give to charity. I would submit that they give much more than liberals...

...One of the most surprising, and perhaps confounding, facts of charity in America is that the people who can least afford to give are the ones who donate the greatest percentage of their income...

 

[slick]

How the Whites will react is written on "the wall." They will put an end to democracy in America. It's pretty obvious.

I think the whites & their allies are doing just that in Venezuela today!
The fatal flaw of democracy lies primarily in multicultural nations. Amy Chua:

Markets concentrate wealth in the hands of a capable ethnic minority. Democracy empires the ethnic majority. When the latter begin
to share a larger share of the wealth tyrannical dictators arise to meet those demands. Chavez's swept into power winning the
trust and favor of the primarily poor and destitute & the future of the country has since tended for the most part downward reaching
the tragic situation which confronts that country now. Venezuela is the canary in the coal mine it may be the harbinger of what is to
come with the rise of third world America!

Democratic elections in Venezuela were a relatively new occurrence in Venezuela tried of & on since WWII.
Before that time the ruling class leaders came from the white European minority, primarily Spanish, Italian & Portuguese.
Chavez changed everything when he swept to his landslide victory on a wave of ethnically based populism
arousing the political conscsciousness of the countries poor brown skinned pardos who are 80% of the population!
Chua "World on Fire"

 

[OscarLevant]

Naturally, you didn't disprove anything I said. Does Pelosi live in Hollywood? How about the Clintons? Obama? Feinstein? You get the idea. Also, you can be quite sure that the multi-millionaires living in Hollywood only see migrants when the gardeners or housekeepers are around. The point about Walmart was a general one to describe the types of people that the left all thinks are racist if they don't want to be invaded by migrants. Obviously, you failed to grasp it. In fact, you failed pretty much all around.

Tsk tsk, repubs are so predictable with assumptions like that, and they wonder why they are called racists.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

"...She said she has been called a racist and a bigot. Asked whether she believes she is, Knowlton, who is white, responded adamantly, “No, because I don’t want to live amongst them..."

"...Her vote for Trump rests in something deeper than policies or proposals. For her, he is her champion, the champion of all of white America... ... “I want my country back,” she said..."

"...data shows that as minorities move into suburbs, white families are making small and personal decisions that add velocity to the momentum... ...They are increasingly choosing to self-segregate into racially isolated communities..." "...So as the country diversifies, white Americans are increasingly choosing to live among each other..."


"...his [Trump] blathering noise is all over the place. The unspoken signal is crystal clear: keep America white.

"...this explains why evangelicals were willing to vote for a man who so clearly did not live by their values – as he promised to keep them dominant..."


This explains why The Cult loves the idea of a wall. They don't care if it's not very effective, it's a symbolic manifestation of their fear of becoming a minority.

I've heard that whites will become a minority somewhere between 2044 and 2050. Given this known trend, how will whites react when 2044 approaches? Will 'white flight' rapidly accelerate? Will they become even more radical, wiling to vote for a Repub politician who's racism is even more overt than Trump's?

So I'm curious about Trump supporters here, How many feel some anxiety, but not panic? How many who fear this trend to the point of personally acting to stop it? And hopw far will they go, or more to the point, how low will they go trying to hang onto their dominance?

According to the far-end of right-wing rhetoric, systematic racism and bigotry is no longer a problem in this country. I have nothing to fear if that's really the case, right? It would be just the case that more and more Americans happen to not look like me.

Of course, we know that's not true, and that a minority is, by sheer probability, likely to face heavier and more frequent discrimination than a member of the majority. Still, no, I do not fear that.

 

[HK.227]

White Europeans have historically committed orders of magnitude more incidents of violence, enslavement, genocide, and rape than Africans. Neither have clean hands, but Europe and America should be so lucky to be taken over by what is on average a more peaceful race of people.

I was about to answer no to the poll, but after reading your post, I am changing my answer to yes.
Your casual dismissal of evil as long as it's perpetrated by the right group frightens me far more than ISIS ever did.

 

[tres borrachos]

The point is that conservatives aren't the ones calling the other side racist. If liberals think people are racist because they live in mostly white communities then they should move out of those communities themselves. Liberals are all for having people flood in over the southern border as long as they live in someone else's neighborhood.

Okay but I didn't say conservatives were racists. I didn't see him say it in the OP or comment on where conservatives live but I absolutely could have missed it.

 

[veritas1]

Please re-read my post. You're confusing a hypothetical example to make a point with a claimed fact.



I don't assume that 'conservatives' are racist, it's obviously not true. But given their opposition to the civil rights movement, desegregation and every private and public program designed to help them, I know that a larger percentage of conservatives are racist than liberals.

These days, non-Cult normal people wouldn't be so inclined to assume conservatives are racist, if they didn't follow and defend a racist leader. And no, I'm not going to post links to ten more documented examples again, do it yourself if you're still in denial.

But you have a point on the rich who live in gated communities. The rich of all colors generally like to stick together, having much more in common with themselves than with the poor of their same race. And you're right again about rich conservatives, they give diddly-squat to charities who're in desperate need. This makes their NRA donations much larger, it's a sorta two birds with one stone thing...



It's my thread and it's about whether whites fear becoming a minority in three decades. I'll put you in the 'I do' camp...

You can put me in whatever camp you wish. That's doesn't make it accurate. I also never said that rich conservatives didn't give to charity. I'm sure they give quite a bit.

 

[veritas1]

Did you really just do that to yourself?

You used the stats of a city that has a higher than statistical population of white people and a lower than statistical population of minorities to prove your point?

Really?

This has to be a mistake.

The guy who was blabbering about how he became a liberal lives near Boise according to him. I was simply pointing out that he hardly lives in a racially diverse area.