Do you believe in demons? [W: 312]

[CLAX1911]

Greetings, CLAX1911. :2wave:

I recall reading about that horrible discovery, made worst by the fact that the mass grave was on church property! Very very sad! :shocked2:

Indeed

 

[blarg]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

Yeah, they didn't take Noah seriously either...

in the fairy tail where the origin of rainbows is an angry magic sky man who pout his bow in the sky to show he was not going to drown your ass

gods may or may not exists but unless they have a fetish for cover ups that story is a fairy tail

your not helping your case

 

[blarg]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

Yeah, that's why he's mentioned in the Jewish lineage of Jesus...

yes that would follow

 

[blarg]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

In all honesty, i don't know why you would expect a Christian to take anything you say seriously...

hope that you would come to see some sense?

 

[it's just me]

From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?

I read a statistic one time about demon possession, needless to say, this wasn't a secular publication, but it said that 98 or 99 percent of the time people you think are possessed are usually psychotic.

 

[it's just me]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

If you believe in demons and possession, etc, then you must also believe in satan. An immortal being that's impossibly old. Who's goal is to corrupt humanity and lead them away from God.

Ok, logic time.

How best to do that? I'd say, lay low, and be more passive aggressive. Work on making God and religion out to be a myth. That doesn't work if someone has evidence or proof of the devil.

Or make sure humans don't believe you exist. You can't tempt people if you don't exist.

 

[KevinKohler]

Re: Do you believe in demons?

Or make sure humans don't believe you exist. You can't tempt people if you don't exist.

Right. And me seeing a demon would make an instant believer outa me.

 

[vesper]

I read a statistic one time about demon possession, needless to say, this wasn't a secular publication, but it said that 98 or 99 percent of the time people you think are possessed are usually psychotic.

Been reading commentary on Mark 5:9, if they are calling them psychotic it may be due to the demons that they do not recognize. If in one man when Jesus asked the demon his name and replied "Legion is our name" exercised them placing them in the body of pigs...I see a lot of symbolism in that verse and those that proceed it. It makes me all the more wanting to guard myself and keep my heart right.

 

[it's just me]

Been reading commentary on Mark 5:9, if they are calling them psychotic it may be due to the demons that they do not recognize. If in one man when Jesus asked the demon his name and replied "Legion is our name" exercised them placing them in the body of pigs...I see a lot of symbolism in that verse and those that proceed it. It makes me all the more wanting to guard myself and keep my heart right.

Before any exorcist attempts an exorcism, they refer the subject for a psychological and medical examination. The doctors make sure the subject has no psychological or medical problems that need to be treated. After that, that one or two percent of people suffering from demon possession is a LOT. Those people have usually invited possession themselves because of drug abuse, involvement with the occult, false religions, and sometimes even from child abuse the victim has suffered or a curse from a third party.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0167ND1LS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

 

[vesper]

Before any exorcist attempts an exorcism, they refer the subject for a psychological and medical examination. The doctors make sure the subject has no psychological or medical problems that need to be treated. After that, that one or two percent of people suffering from demon possession is a LOT. Those people have usually invited possession themselves because of drug abuse, involvement with the occult, false religions, and sometimes even from child abuse the victim has suffered or a curse from a third party.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0167ND1LS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Yes, I do see the mental illness aspect. At the same time I think there are people out there uneducated and have a perverted view of Scripture encouraging exorcisms when they should not. I read the other day that several people are seeking exorcisms for health diseases versus doctors.

For me, demons are a fact. The groundwork for such thinking goes all the way back to the book of Genesis. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you can not also have evil spirits/demons.

As I read the commentary in Mark that I mentioned above..... That poor possessed man filled with a legion of demons, the demons were begging to be placed into the herd of pigs.

The reason why is if they were to kill the pigs by going over the cliff and drowning in the water, the pig dies but not the demon. They continue to roam the earth to find another vessel to possess.

Lesson, keep your heart right with G-d.

 

[year2late]

From time to time surfing the web I come across some really troubling stories of heinous acts that human beings have engaged in against other human beings. Often they bring me to tears. And today was one such day where a man was convicted of sexually abusing an infant.

The number of heinous acts committed by some seem to be growing and often they are against our most vulnerable. You can call it mental illness if you like but the level of such heinous acts leads me to believe some people are possessed.

What say you?

So you have been to the Basement?:lamo

 

[it's just me]

Yes, I do see the mental illness aspect. At the same time I think there are people out there uneducated and have a perverted view of Scripture encouraging exorcisms when they should not. I read the other day that several people are seeking exorcisms for health diseases versus doctors.

For me, demons are a fact. The groundwork for such thinking goes all the way back to the book of Genesis. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you can not also have evil spirits/demons.

As I read the commentary in Mark that I mentioned above..... That poor possessed man filled with a legion of demons, the demons were begging to be placed into the herd of pigs.

The reason why is if they were to kill the pigs by going over the cliff and drowning in the water, the pig dies but not the demon. They continue to roam the earth to find another vessel to possess.

Lesson, keep your heart right with G-d.

That is why you have to leave exorcisms to people who are trained for it.

 

[it's just me]

So you have been to the Basement?:lamo

You are more right than you know.

 

[Wisdom]

If you go with the proposition that if a person does something immoral, then it must be due to a demon, then how could one ever falsify the claim that demons exist? The fact is people can do evil things without being possessed, and we have no credible evidence of any kind for the existence of any alleged demon, much less for possession by a demon.

 

[Daisy]

If you go with the proposition that if a person does something immoral, then it must be due to a demon, then how could one ever falsify the claim that demons exist? The fact is people can do evil things without being possessed, and we have no credible evidence of any kind for the existence of any alleged demon, much less for possession by a demon.

One can be influenced by the demons without being possessed since we live in a world governed by them... to the Ephesians, Paul said in Ephesians 2:2,3...

“in which you at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Yes, among them we all at one time conducted ourselves in harmony with the desires of our flesh, carrying out the will of the flesh and of our thoughts, and we were naturally children of wrath just as the rest."

The world’s 'air,' or spirit, is an invisible, impelling force that incites disobedience to God and fosters “the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes.”1 John 2:16; 1 Timothy 6:9, 10

“The authority” of this spirit lies in its appeal to the sinful flesh, its subtlety, its relentlessness and, like air, its pervasiveness.

 

[Wisdom]

One can be influenced by the demons without being possessed since we live in a world governed by them... to the Ephesians, Paul said in Ephesians 2:2,3...

“in which you at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Yes, among them we all at one time conducted ourselves in harmony with the desires of our flesh, carrying out the will of the flesh and of our thoughts, and we were naturally children of wrath just as the rest."

The world’s 'air,' or spirit, is an invisible, impelling force that incites disobedience to God and fosters “the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes.”1 John 2:16; 1 Timothy 6:9, 10

“The authority” of this spirit lies in its appeal to the sinful flesh, its subtlety, its relentlessness and, like air, its pervasiveness.

You face the same problem with falsification as contained in the original post. If someone does something bad, then you can simply claim that is the result of a demon. So, how would you go about setting up a test to falsify this claim? The fact is that people can act badly without any demons being involved, and there is no evidence for demons that is in any way credible.

Also, think about the morality of blaming demons? Someone could engage in heinous acts then, blame his acts on a demon, and then what? Avoid punishment? The people here who are claiming that evil actions are due to demons, in order to be consistent, should never seek to punish such people, because they are "innocent," and it's the "demon" that should be punished instead.

 

[Daisy]

You face the same problem with falsification as contained in the original post. If someone does something bad, then you can simply claim that is the result of a demon. So, how would you go about setting up a test to falsify this claim? The fact is that people can act badly without any demons being involved, and there is no evidence for demons that is in any way credible.

Also, think about the morality of blaming demons? Someone could engage in heinous acts then, blame his acts on a demon, and then what? Avoid punishment? The people here who are claiming that evil actions are due to demons, in order to be consistent, should never seek to punish such people, because they are "innocent," and it's the "demon" that should be punished instead.

Nope each person is held accountable for his own actions, regardless of the reason why, because the Bible warns us of Satan's influence...

"So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God." Romans 14:12

 

[Wisdom]

Nope each person is held accountable for his own actions, regardless of the reason why, because the Bible warns us of Satan's influence...

"So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God." Romans 14:12

So, your morality is that innocent people need to be punished? That's why I never take the Bible seriously.

 

[Daisy]

So, your morality is that innocent people need to be punished? That's why I never take the Bible seriously.

So you think the whole world is innocent, huh? Allrightythen...

 

[Wisdom]

So you think the whole world is innocent, huh? Allrightythen...

That's not even a coherent response to what I stated. You are the one claiming that demons are either possessing people or influencing them to get them to do evil acts. That would make such people innocent. Yet, you don't give a darn and want them punished the same as if they were never possessed by any demon.

Frankly, the claim that demons even exist is laughable because there is not a single shred of credible evidence for their existence. But, if you are going to go down that path, then logically, you should either not punish these people or admit you are willing to punish the innocent. That's the problem with religious dogma --- it leads to contradictions.

 

[Daisy]

That's not even a coherent response to what I stated. You are the one claiming that demons are either possessing people or influencing them to get them to do evil acts. That would make such people innocent. Yet, you don't give a darn and want them punished the same as if they were never possessed by any demon.

Frankly, the claim that demons even exist is laughable because there is not a single shred of credible evidence for their existence. But, if you are going to go down that path, then logically, you should either not punish these people or admit you are willing to punish the innocent. That's the problem with religious dogma --- it leads to contradictions.

Wow...you sound as though you have some serious anger management problems...

 

[Wisdom]

Wow...you sound as though you have some serious anger management problems...

Right --- stoop to personal insults when your logical contradictions are exposed.

I wouldn't waste my time getting "angry" over delusional beliefs in demons.

 

[Daisy]

Right --- stoop to personal insults when your logical contradictions are exposed.

I wouldn't waste my time getting "angry" over delusional beliefs in demons.

Then why did ya?

 

[Wisdom]

Then why did ya?

I'm not the one who stooped to personal insults. I merely mentioned the fact that you did.

Unlike you, I can rationally argue my position and do not need to rely on childish accusations like speculating on someone's emotional state when it could not possibly be known.

 

[Daisy]

I'm not the one who stooped to personal insults. I merely mentioned the fact that you did.

Unlike you, I can rationally argue my position and do not need to rely on childish accusations like speculating on someone's emotional state when it could not possibly be known.:roll:

Keep telling yourself that...you don't know me from Adam yet you made lots of incorrect assumptions in your first posts to me...you slung insults right off the bat...rationally my foot...argument is not my forte, I prefer discussion...carry on...