Do you believe Donald Trump when he says he doesn't know who the whistleblower is?

[Kreton]

This morning, Donald Trump told the press that he doesn't know who the "partisan" whistleblower is, yet he knows that it's someone that's partisan.

Do you believe that Trump is telling the truth, that he really does not know the identity of the whistleblower?

Those are tough choices in the poll.

I don't trust him to be truthful.
I can't say he "has" to know the identity or that he has no reason to lie.
As a default I don't trust politicians, and I trust Trump less than any other. So I assume he's lying but not for the reasons listed above. I simply don't think he is capable of speaking the truth.

 

[Mach]

Who the hell knows... difficult to trust anything Trump says... at this point what is far more important is finding out what the complaint was about in the first place.

It's always so sad though, because the Trump administration always compounds the issue...maybe intentionally. Now it's multiple, important issues.

1. potentially the substance of the whistlblower complaint, which could have simply gone to congress and gone nowhere if it wasn't actionable.
2. that the president blocked the inspector general from reporting the whistleblower complaint to congress which appears to be a potential loophole in the law
3. President claims the whistleblower is a partisan, when he was the one being whistleblown on and their identifies are supposed to be protected

- White House trots out Giuliani to drop hints about Ukraine and asking for political dirt on Biden
- information stifled in this way under what appears to be corrupt purposes, starts leaking, outraging anti-leaker-types
- rumor mill picks up the leaks and runs with them

I mean, this sort of chaos is a symptom of the white house. As much as I despite Trump for his behaviors and want him held to account, I have lost faith in our legal system with regards to limits on the power of the presdient...just as big of a deal..maybe more so, sadly.

 

[SkyFox76]

This morning, Donald Trump told the press that he doesn't know who the "partisan" whistleblower is, yet he knows that it's someone that's partisan.

Do you believe that Trump is telling the truth, that he really does not know the identity of the whistleblower?

There is nothing to trust that comes out of his mouth. Nothing.

 

[SMTA]

This morning, Donald Trump told the press that he doesn't know who the "partisan" whistleblower is, yet he knows that it's someone that's partisan.

Do you believe that Trump is telling the truth, that he really does not know the identity of the whistleblower?

When Trump’s lips move, lies always result.

 

[uptower]

Yes it it is quite possible that such an inattentive president as Trump does not know who he's pissed off lately.

 

[HumblePi]

Must be a slow news day for the anti-Trump brigade.
Such faux outrage... ssdd 24-7.

Just double checking to be certain that you will believe any lie Trump tells.

 

[HumblePi]

Do we have exact wording, in context, a link or something?

How about a link from your very own favorite network Fox who has a video of Trump saying clearly "I don't know who the whistleblower is".

https://fxn.ws/2NoSJef #FoxNews

 

[What if...?]

Must be a slow news day for the anti-Trump brigade.
Such faux outrage... ssdd 24-7.

Just the daily pointing and laughing at your savior.

 

[Airyaman]

While I do believe Trump knows who the whistleblower is, I also believe Trump's idea of "partisan" is anyone who doesn't pledge 100% fealty to him.

 

[What if...?]

I get it, from now on we just come up with something we might have heard,don't post links and assume everyone has the time to listen to every word on tv.
Thanks.

The way it works put we're just talking to other members of our side.

Nobody on the trump side will levy the slightest criticism of anything he says or does.

Somebody here posted Obama lies as a counter to trump lies.

I gave up on Obama sue to his milquetoast negotiating style and the drone program.

Nothing trump does will garner even the tiniest bit of condemnation from his supporters. Its like arguing with a vegan or a fundie Christian.

Might as well be talking to a wall.

 

[HumblePi]

While I do believe Trump knows who the whistleblower is, I also believe Trump's idea of "partisan" is anyone who doesn't pledge 100% fealty to him.

The word is just a catchall for Trump to use with his supporters and Fox News to mean 'fake'.

 

[Carleen]

I think you left out of your poll- Do you think he is lying

 

[Waddy]

Trump Derangement Syndrome is spreading. Looks to be contagious among liberals. I hear it starts off with itchy skin, then a red face, hallucinations, then spewing hatred all over the place. Apparently very hard to get it under control after that.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

This morning, Donald Trump told the press that he doesn't know who the "partisan" whistleblower is, yet he knows that it's someone that's partisan.

Do you believe that Trump is telling the truth, that he really does not know the identity of the whistleblower?

Exactly. He knows they are partisan, but has no idea who they are. :roll: Trump is a habitual liar, why should he start telling the truth now? Everything that comes out of his trap is BS, when I hear him speak anymore, I really dismiss it because he'll deny saying it, or say something opposite 2 hours later. What he says or tweets if of very little importance, the man is a psycho.

 

[smallvoice]

Actually, he might. There's no reason why he couldn't learn through his corrupt chain of command who the whistleblower is.

Other than it not being corrupt, and following the law....

 

[smallvoice]

Do we have exact wording, in context, a link or something?

We are waiting on the editors at the NYT to finish it up. Patience, grasshopper.....

 

[smallvoice]

Donald Trump doesn't know how to tell the truth.
His lips were moving, therefore he is lying.

You must be talking about Billy boy.

 

[Iron_Merc]

We are waiting on the editors at the NYT to finish it up. Patience, grasshopper.....

You mean the political activists, right?

Remember, the only people that think Trump lies are the democrats. They in fact, are the ones that cannot be trusted.

 

[HumblePi]

Other than it not being corrupt, and following the law....

They're all corrupt, starting with Trump and Giuliani and flowing down to William Barr. Why do you think Dan Coats and Sue Gordon both resigned? They knew what was going on. Sue Gordon was possibly one of the most experienced people that the DNI ever had. People need to go back to this resignation by Dan Coats and give this some serious consideration which I haven't heard from anyone on any network yet.

The short story is that Dan Coats took his job as Director of National Intelligence seriously. Because he was a 'by the book' kind of guy, he and Trump clashed. Now look at the date that Dan Coats resigned. It was on August 9th, exactly 8 days after the whistle blower report of an 'urgent' nature came to their attention. I can take a pretty good guess what action Dan Coats and Sue Gordon would have taken and it's not what Trump would want. So Dan Coats was out and Trump got to put a loyalist in his position, one that would follow what A.G. Barr and Trump told him to do. I'll go a step further and predict that Dan Coats and Sue Gordon are patriots and they will not sit quietly by and watch this president defame the office and sell out this country. They will come forward, that's what I predict.

Dan Coats disrupted meeting to urge Sue Gordon to resign: Report

Outgoing Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats disrupted a meeting his deputy, Sue Gordon, was holding on election security to urge her to resign from her post.

The abrupt interruption on Thursday, reported by CNN, happened shortly before Gordon submitted her letter of resignation later that day.

She was next in line to be acting spy chief when Coats first announced his intent to retire late last month, but reports indicated the president was going to pick someone else to oversee the U.S. intelligence community until a permanent replacement was approved by the Senate.

Democrats criticized the president for overlooking Gordon, arguing his refusal to pick the veteran intelligence official to be acting spy chief underscored his disdain for someone who might advise him on national security matters that clash with his views.

 

[JasperL]

I get it, from now on we just come up with something we might have heard,don't post links and assume everyone has the time to listen to every word on tv.
Thanks.

This is part of what he's said: Live updates: The latest on the Trump whistleblower mystery - CNNPolitics

“It’s a partisan whistleblower. They shouldn’t even have information. I’ve had conversations with many leaders. They’re always appropriate,” Trump said, adding, “It’s just another political hack job.”

Trump said he doesn't know the identity of the person who made the complaint.

“I don’t even know exactly who you’re talking about,” Trump said. “I don’t know the identity of the whistleblower. I just hear it’s a partisan person, meaning it comes out from another party.”

 

[JasperL]

Can you recall the "red button" issue? Obama's “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.
What could that mean?
I wanna bet the left defended it tooth and nail. Wait a minute and they'll spin it again.
To be fair, the right made a huge deal of both comments too back in the day.

This is quite different, actually. An urgent matter, which the IC IG determined the complaint involves, "A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order..." It's not about policy, good, bad, or even reckless, stupid, boneheaded. It's not about disclosing classified material - POTUS can do that. It's serious enough that the IC IG who knows the law, knows the differences between bad policy (possibly) and something serious enough that he's obligated to inform Congress about when the DNI passed on sending the complaint to Congress as the law requires.

 

[smallvoice]

You mean the political activists, right?

Remember, the only people that think Trump lies are the democrats. They in fact, are the ones that cannot be trusted.

And you would be wrong. There are plenty on this side that knows he lies, but then there all the libs, and progressives and MSM....None can be trusted. Reagan said it best: "Trust , but verify".

 

[Risky Thicket]

This is quite different, actually. An urgent matter, which the IC IG determined the complaint involves, "A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order..." It's not about policy, good, bad, or even reckless, stupid, boneheaded. It's not about disclosing classified material - POTUS can do that. It's serious enough that the IC IG who knows the law, knows the differences between bad policy (possibly) and something serious enough that he's obligated to inform Congress about when the DNI passed on sending the complaint to Congress as the law requires.

It could be extortion and conspiracy. Both are high crimes and serious ones.

Of course we don't yet know. We might well question that if, as Trump assures us, there's nothing to hide and that nothing was said that warrants concern, why then did the Acting DNI, the IC IG, the DOJ and the President take whatever actions available to prevent the House Intelligence Committee from reviewing the innocuous complaint?

If Trump is certain that there is no there there he would be wise to let the process come to an embarrassing conclusion (for the Democrats) proving Trump to be as innocent as the driven snow. He'd win bigly. Trump isn't doing that. In fact, that train left the station. Too late now.

Once again Trump's ineptitude, his maniacal paranoia, and his authoritarian rule have turned what could have been a huge win into a sprawling clusterfeck. Or might we assume that the reason the Trump regime is going through all this bull**** is that Trump is attempting to coverup illegal activity?

 

[Linc]

We are waiting on the editors at the NYT to finish it up. Patience, grasshopper.....

I prefer the work that the Wall Street Journal is doing.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

You mean the political activists, right?

Remember, the only people that think Trump lies are the democrats. They in fact, are the ones that cannot be trusted.

Wait, so you're saying all Republicans and Independents think Trump doesn't lie? You're just going to ignore the thousands of objectively provable lies thus far and make an absolute statement of 'He doesn't lie"?

Jesus Christ you're really drinking the cult kool-aid.

And you would be wrong. There are plenty on this side that knows he lies, but then there all the libs, and progressives and MSM....None can be trusted. Reagan said it best: "Trust , but verify".

Uh oh, Iron Merc, looks like we've found a non Democrat that knows Trump lies. You promised us it was only Democrats and everyone else just adores such an honest and reliable man.