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Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

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    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Yes, pro gun people should help fix the problem

    Votes: 26 29.5%

  • No, they're not responsible in the slightest

    Votes: 56 63.6%
  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .
vegas giants said:
Name all the places with low per capita gun deaths on this planet. Really....pick anywhere. Now tell me what kind of gun laws they have.
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For the causation to work you would need to show that all countries with strict gun control laws have low per capita firearm homicide rates - but they don't.

Mexico, for example, has a firearm homicide rate of 6.3 per 100k, which is nearly 50% higher than the US firearm homicide rate of 4.4 per 100k. Regarding gun control in Mexico:

wiki said:
Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.
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Furthermore, ignore the liberal cities where democrats are constantly shooting each other and the US rate drops by half.
 
Vadinho said:
The argument that laws do not guarantee 100% immunity from the crime is the weakest argument ever made against lawmaking. Using that logic, Moses would have just said fuggedaboutit and thought he had a hallucination. Of course laws can stop these shootings as witnessed in almost every advanced nations with strict gun laws.
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About that....

Gun crime increased 42% in one year in London. 27% in all of the UK combined. 46 murders in 4 months in London in 2018...more than the totals in New York and a majority of them by stabbing. Knife crime in the UK jumped 21%.

Along with that 'great news' , the UK has begun arresting their citizens for insulting comments...even if they are meant as a joke.

Keep your 'rest of the world'. Or go live there. What you will find in the 'rest of the world' is that every place where they have population centers with the kinds of problems we have...they have. And here in the US it is invariably in rat infested rat controlled leftist cities. So maybe people like you should stop ****ing bleating on about the American gun owner and start looking at the rats that have caused the ****ing problems in the first place.
 
aociswundumho said:
For the causation to work you would need to show that all countries with strict gun control laws have low per capita firearm homicide rates - but they don't.

Mexico, for example, has a firearm homicide rate of 6.3 per 100k, which is nearly 50% higher than the US firearm homicide rate of 4.4 per 100k. Regarding gun control in Mexico:



Furthermore, ignore the liberal cities where democrats are constantly shooting each other and the US rate drops by half.
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Mexico is run by drug cartels and gun laws do not apply to them. This is the problem. Some people believe the best we can be is to compare us to Mexico. Honduras, Nicaragua....


We are the US.


We should be at least as good as all of Europe, Canada, Australia....etc.


Face it....you cant have low gun deaths with lax gun laws
 
VanceMack said:
About that....

Gun crime increased 42% in one year in London. 27% in all of the UK combined. 46 murders in 4 months in London in 2018...more than the totals in New York and a majority of them by stabbing. Knife crime in the UK jumped 21%.

Along with that 'great news' , the UK has begun arresting their citizens for insulting comments...even if they are meant as a joke.

Keep your 'rest of the world'. Or go live there. What you will find in the 'rest of the world' is that every place where they have population centers with the kinds of problems we have...they have. And here in the US it is invariably in rat infested rat controlled leftist cities. So maybe people like you should stop ****ing bleating on about the American gun owner and start looking at the rats that have caused the ****ing problems in the first place.
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Such nonsense. We match their total gun deaths with one city
 
I voted 'yes' but only with the caveat they should recognize the problem first and look for a suitable middle ground. The only way to change gun laws is to vote for those who will do it. But people on both sides will only vote their conscience. Also 'pro-gun' is a fairly broad term. I'm 'pro-gun' in the sense I believe people should be able to 'keep and bear arms' even though I am not a strict 2nd Amendment 'purist'.

The answer to the question is that many 'pro-gun' people already support stricter regulations state by state (such as background checks), but this doesn't mean they want guns banned.
 
aociswundumho said:
For the causation to work you would need to show that all countries with strict gun control laws have low per capita firearm homicide rates - but they don't.

Mexico, for example, has a firearm homicide rate of 6.3 per 100k, which is nearly 50% higher than the US firearm homicide rate of 4.4 per 100k. Regarding gun control in Mexico:
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Mexico's problem is the drug trade, that's why their homicide rate is so high, it comes from living next to the largest market for drugs in the world.

I don't think America and Mexico are similar, you can't compare the two.
 
vegas giants said:
Mexico is run by drug cartels and gun laws do not apply to them. This is the problem.
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Wait, you mean criminals don't obey gun laws?!?! I'm shocked, I had no idea this was the case.

Do gangbangers in the US obey gun laws?
 
swing_voter said:
Mexico's problem is the drug trade, that's why their homicide rate is so high, it comes from living next to the largest market for drugs in the world.

I don't think America and Mexico are similar, you can't compare the two.
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Thats the issue though,logically you can compare all countries and ignore the factual meaningful differences or you can basically compare no countries because none are actually alike. :shrug:

You never answered what are "progun people" and what every that is can you show the majority arent willing to help?
 
aociswundumho said:
Wait, you mean criminals don't obey gun laws?!?! I'm shocked, I had no idea this was the case.

Do gangbangers in the US obey gun laws?
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Do gangbangers own every politician in America up to the president?


They do in Mexico.


Ask el chapo. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
No laws come with guarantees. No wall will keep out all illegal immigration. No deal with China wi protect all intellectual property rights.


Progress....not perfection
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LOL, afraid to tell the lie? You want outright bans but you can't admit it. That is why gun control is met with such outright resistance so often.
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL, afraid to tell the lie? You want outright bans but you can't admit it. That is why gun control is met with such outright resistance so often.
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You want every child in America to be shot? Why?


That's awful.


I need to clean my ar 15 now
 
No Pro Gun People have a Constitutional right to protect themselves, their families and their country
 
Waddy said:
Yes, and I'm pro gun rights and have worked on the issue.

We need to stop allowing gun charges to be plea bargained. You use a gun in a crime you serve the time. Right now plea bargaining a gun charge is almost always in play in any criminal case where a gun was involved.

Juvenile records should be reported on the Instant Check system. If the offense, or offenses, as a juvenile, would have disqualified an adult from owning a gun, then it should apply to juvenile offenders when they reach the age to buy a gun.

We need mental health professionals to report out-patients who are a danger to society, mentally unstable, or have expressed hostile intentions. Those people belong on the Instant Check rejection list.

If four year old Billy picks up a gun off the coffee table and accidentally kills himself or somebody else, usually another little kid, hold the parents criminally accountable ( criminal negligence) and they should do actual prison time. (Of course, I feel the same way if you know your teenager has a drug problem yet you give them the car keys anyway, and they kill somebody).

Life member, NRA
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Thank-you; by posting some sensible ways to begin addressing the problem you have acknowledged that there is a problem.
 
jondo said:
No Pro Gun People have a Constitutional right to protect themselves, their families and their country
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They do, I agree. That's not the problem.

(I'm assuming there is a semi-colon after the 'No'.)
 
vegas giants said:
You lie about me so I dismissed you.


Trust me....I wont miss you. Lol
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You are engaging in an incrementalist approach to gun control, you have stated you have a strong wish to see Australian style gun bans in the US. There is no lie.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You are engaging in an incrementalist approach to gun control, you have stated you have a strong wish to see Australian style gun bans in the US. There is no lie.
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Complete and total lie which is why you are unable to engage in honest debate and are dismissed.


You should only talk to people that agree with you. Then you wont get so upset. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Complete and total lie which is why you are unable to engage in honest debate and are dismissed.


You should only talk to people that agree with you. Then you wont get so upset. Lol
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I see you are staying completely away from the original few short questions I asked, this precludes you from steering towards serious discussion. A shame.
 
ChezC3 said:
Why would I be responsible for another person's actions?
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Because the whole ****ing point of living in a society is strength in numbers. Imagine if pack of hyenas came to steal a meal from a pride of lions and one of the lions decided he didn't feel like helping out because he was already full. Well why should the rest of the Lions ever do anything to help that lion ever again?
 
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