Do blacks care about their own community?

[Oborosen]

Do blacks care for their own community like other groups? If you look at the Americans donor class, they come from the majority of whites - Money, Food, Blood, Organs etc...

It just seems with the black community, it lacks a sense of community compared to other groups - Jews, Asians, Christians. It seems those groups have a much more well-organized infrastructure that looks out for their own.

I am not trying to start a controversial conversation, but when you look at some the top donors of minority causes, they are coming from older white males.

The top wealthy Jews in our country donate a lot of their wealth to Jewish-related causes. Shouldn't the Obama's for example, be donating the majority of their allocated money towards donations to black-related causes? Surprisingly, the majority of their donations are not going to black-causes. I would bet a lot of upper-class blacks are the same way.

These are some questions I ask myself and wonder why blacks in this country are not seeing as much progress as they should be making.

Trying to be honest here, but I can say that I know more then a few people in those communities that care for their place and those around them.

But speaking from experience.. on a majority, no.
I have seen more then my fair share of man driving down the street in the gaudy looking car, with huge rims, a new paint job and the most absurd sound system you could imagine. Yet at home he is on welfare, with more then four kids and more on the side with another women.

Over half of the cases my office sees a year are from such individuals and that isn't even counting the cases of diminished capacity accounts we see as well.

I hate to say it, but even when asking my co-workers they begrudgingly agree on that same aspect.

 

[Nap]

Go live in a third-world country for a while - and when you do so, live out among the people, and not in the touristy areas. Learn how hard the people strive just to put food on the table, just to have a place to live. Learn how many get so frustrated at how they're trapped in poverty that they lose hope...and become homeless. Learn how drugs and alcohol become an escape from the economic prison that is poverty there...and is an economic prison in America. Learn how much they love their children and want the very best for them...but become so angry because they have no real opportunity - again, no hope - for rising above their station in order to give their children better lives than they themselves had.

Do all that, and when you come back to America, chances are good that you'll understand the black community much better than you currently do.

Add to all that the realization that that they know so many Americans still to this day see them as second-class citizens...and it's a recipe for deep frustration and anger, especially among the young men. After all, when young men believe in their hearts that no one gives a damn about them, then they're a lot less likely to give a damn themselves.

If you got to know them - I mean, really, actually got to know them, you'd know that the overwhelming majority don't want your handouts. Instead, they want the opportunities their parents never had. They want to live in a nation where they are judged by their character and not by the color of their skin...again, unlike the America of their parents' youth. They want to live in a place where they have real hope of making it out of poverty without having to sell drugs to do so. In other words, they're no different from you...IF you had faced the same obstacles they've faced all their lives.

We aren't in a 3rd world country, and I think many wouldn't appreciate you looking down on the black community and making that comparison.

Anyone that would give up on themselves because no one gives a damn about them might need to see help because outside of family and close friends no one gives a damn about you (any race).

Pretty much agree with your last paragraph though.

Also, I do find it pretty ironic that someone who leans "Progressive" would use that Solzhenitsyn quote.

As for the OP, many wealthy black people do quite a bit of work and fund raising for the black community and likely more than white people do for other whites on average.

 

[Nap]

Most wealth is built over successive generations. Black families haven't had a many generations to build on, having only achieved relative parity into the last half century or so.

Wealth typically only lasts 3 generations, the idea that most wealth is built over generations is simply false. Yes, there are several families that have been able to achieve wealth growing over several generations however those are the minority. Just look at many of the richest people around today, most are self made.

 

[calamity]

Ignorance is bliss. Especially if it is you who is. :roll:

Address the topic, not the poster.

Try not posting racist hogwash.

 

[holbritter]

Do blacks care for their own community like other groups? If you look at the Americans donor class, they come from the majority of whites - Money, Food, Blood, Organs etc...

It just seems with the black community, it lacks a sense of community compared to other groups - Jews, Asians, Christians. It seems those groups have a much more well-organized infrastructure that looks out for their own.

I am not trying to start a controversial conversation, but when you look at some the top donors of minority causes, they are coming from older white males.

The top wealthy Jews in our country donate a lot of their wealth to Jewish-related causes. Shouldn't the Obama's for example, be donating the majority of their allocated money towards donations to black-related causes? Surprisingly, the majority of their donations are not going to black-causes. I would bet a lot of upper-class blacks are the same way.

These are some questions I ask myself and wonder why blacks in this country are not seeing as much progress as they should be making.

Of course they do! What an idiotic racist, ignorant post this is.

 

[PTF]

Very interesting thread.
Sad to say these people don't want to get along with each other. There has been fights in malls and schools and on the jobs. There has been gang related tragedies in inner cities mixed with poor education.
During his run for Presidency Donald Trump has pointed this out,specifically targeting the job situations which thus far under his administration the employment picture has improved. if the jobs are there no matter if it's training or entry level their situations will improve.

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" Shouldn't the Obama's for example, be donating the majority of their allocated money towards donations to black-related causes? "
They have under the table to illegals and those promised to gouged the welfare system. Otherwise never caring less.
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" These are some questions I ask myself and wonder why blacks in this country are not seeing as much progress as they should be making. "
They should be asking this question to each other instead of blaming us.
I want to see them stop the inner conflicts and concentrate on helping each other in a positive and constructive matter and hopefully they will get our respect.

 

[calamity]

Of course they do! What an idiotic racist, ignorant post this is.

Stormfrontish, to say the least.

 

[PTF]

We aren't in a 3rd world country, and I think many wouldn't appreciate you looking down on the black community and making that comparison.

Anyone that would give up on themselves because no one gives a damn about them might need to see help because outside of family and close friends no one gives a damn about you (any race).

Pretty much agree with your last paragraph though.

Also, I do find it pretty ironic that someone who leans "Progressive" would use that Solzhenitsyn quote.

As for the OP, many wealthy black people do quite a bit of work and fund raising for the black community and likely more than white people do for other whites on average.

Whatever.

 

[PTF]

Are you purposely racist or willfully ignorant?

There are clear and obvious answers to your questions but if you ask such an ignorant a racist question there is no way you have the intelligence to understand the answer.

Bucky is not.
He's making a general observation and the obvious is out there...read my post.
It's not racist unless folks like yourself make it.

 

[Ruchen]

What is interesting is first and second generation West Africans tend to do very well, better than whites.

 

[Black Dog]

Trying to be honest here, but I can say that I know more then a few people in those communities that care for their place and those around them.

But speaking from experience.. on a majority, no.
I have seen more then my fair share of man driving down the street in the gaudy looking car, with huge rims, a new paint job and the most absurd sound system you could imagine. Yet at home he is on welfare, with more then four kids and more on the side with another women.

Over half of the cases my office sees a year are from such individuals and that isn't even counting the cases of diminished capacity accounts we see as well.

I hate to say it, but even when asking my co-workers they begrudgingly agree on that same aspect.

You are taking limited anecdotal evidence to make a broad judgement about an entire race of people. That is how it sounds anyway. Then you use others observations from the same workplace to justify said opinion. It would be like a prison guard basing his decision about Hispanic culture based on what he sees in prison.

So saying the majority does not care, is a very bad blanket statement.

 

[Black Dog]

Bucky is not.
He's making a general observation and the obvious is out there...read my post.
It's not racist unless folks like yourself make it.

Yes he is. It's not the first time he has made such racist generalizations. Anyone who would ask such an ignorant question has an underlying racist motive, period.

 

[Black Dog]

Very interesting thread.
Sad to say these people don't want to get along with each other. There has been fights in malls and schools and on the jobs. There has been gang related tragedies in inner cities mixed with poor education.
During his run for Presidency Donald Trump has pointed this out,specifically targeting the job situations which thus far under his administration the employment picture has improved. if the jobs are there no matter if it's training or entry level their situations will improve.

Quote...

" Shouldn't the Obama's for example, be donating the majority of their allocated money towards donations to black-related causes? "
They have under the table to illegals and those promised to gouged the welfare system. Otherwise never caring less.
Quote...

" These are some questions I ask myself and wonder why blacks in this country are not seeing as much progress as they should be making. "
They should be asking this question to each other instead of blaming us.
I want to see them stop the inner conflicts and concentrate on helping each other in a positive and constructive matter and hopefully they will get our respect.

Yea I think Stormfront and the white nationalist movement is something you may be interested in.

 

[Blkdirt Farmer]

Really? Ever heard of Cairo? There were pharaohs who were black.

Do yourself a favor and read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel" - it won the Pulitzer Prize. It shows in great detail how those who lived south of the Sahara and those who lived in the Western Hemisphere were screwed by their relative lack of access to trade/food/technology that Asia and Europe (and Africa north of the Sahara) took for granted. Do a bit more digging in world history and you'll find that those of us of European descent owe a great debt to the Mongols, for the relatively short-lived empire they built from Korea to Egypt to modern-day Poland...because the vast power vacuum the left in their wake allowed the Europeans to develop culture and technology of their own (along with the use of paper and gunpowder, Chinese inventions that were first introduced to Europe by the Mongols).

On top of all that, up until the fifteenth century, China was sending vast treasure fleets as far west as Africa and the Middle East. Their fleets were bigger than anything the West had before the 1800's - one had 317 ships, including the following:

Traditional and popular accounts of Zheng He's voyages have described a great fleet of gigantic ships, far larger than any other wooden ships in history.

Chinese records[84] state that Zheng He's fleet sailed as far as East Africa. According to medieval Chinese sources, Zheng He commanded seven expeditions. The 1405 expedition consisted of 27,800 men and a fleet of 62 treasure ships supported by approximately 190 smaller ships.[85][86] The fleet included:

"Chinese treasure ships" (宝船, Bǎo Chuán), used by the commander of the fleet and his deputies (nine-masted, about 127 metres (417 feet) long and 52 metres (171 feet) wide), according to later writers.[citation needed]
Equine ships (馬船, Mǎ Chuán), carrying horses and tribute goods and repair material for the fleet (eight-masted, about 103 m (338 ft) long and 42 m (138 ft) wide).
Supply ships (粮船, Liáng Chuán), containing staple for the crew (seven-masted, about 78 m (256 ft) long and 35 m (115 ft) wide).
Troop transports (兵船, Bīng Chuán), six-masted, about 67 m (220 ft) long and 25 m (82 ft) wide.
Fuchuan warships (福船, Fú Chuán), five-masted, about 50 m (160 ft) long.
Patrol boats (坐船, Zuò Chuán), eight-oared, about 37 m (121 ft) long.
Water tankers (水船, Shuǐ Chuán), with 1 month's supply of fresh water.


At the time - and for centuries afterwards - the West had nothing to compare with such fleets. What happened? China turned inward. Instead of continuing to expand, they turned inward, deciding not to interact with those nations so far over the horizon. Had they not made that decision, chances are pretty good that you and I would be having this discussion in Mandarin.

In other words, we of European descent are where we are not because we're somehow inherently better, but because we got lucky - truly, stupidly lucky.

Your wasting your breath here. You should tell this to the black man in the You Tube I posted. It would seem he disagrees with you totally....

I wonder why that is anyway...

Maybe because your talking about China? LOL

 

[calamity]

Bucky is not.
He's making a general observation and the obvious is out there...read my post.
It's not racist unless folks like yourself make it.

It's racist as ****. Your failure to see that says a lot.

 

[Oborosen]

You are taking limited anecdotal evidence to make a broad judgement about an entire race of people. That is how it sounds anyway. Then you use others observations from the same workplace to justify said opinion. It would be like a prison guard basing his decision about Hispanic culture based on what he sees in prison.

So saying the majority does not care, is a very bad blanket statement.

In which it would be my own opinion, so I apologize for not stating as such. But coming from where I grew up and were I live now, that assumption would be pretty spot on.

 

[Black Dog]

In which it would be my own opinion, so I apologize for not stating as such. But coming from where I grew up and were I live now, that assumption would be pretty spot on.

No need to apologise, my comment takes into account it is your opinion. So instead of correcting your opinion which is wrong, you will stick with it. This is why we get nowhere.

 

[Oborosen]

No need to apologise, my comment takes into account it is your opinion. So instead of correcting your opinion which is wrong, you will stick with it. This is why we get nowhere.

Please explain, because if I am aware enough to realize something is wrong. Then they, in their own community should not only be aware of it, but also willing to fix it as well.

It paints my view of reality as such, because that is the reality I live in at this very moment. What is wrong with being able to identify a problem?

 

[Black Dog]

Your wasting your breath here. You should tell this to the black man in the You Tube I posted. It would seem he disagrees with you totally....

I wonder why that is anyway...

Maybe because your talking about China? LOL

He is an idiot who knows nothing about actual history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94zSvpYM1bs&feature=youtu.be

So yea. You run with that.

 

[Black Dog]

Please explain, because if I am aware enough to realize something is wrong. Then they, in their own community should not only be aware of it, but also willing to fix it as well.

I agree in some neighborhoods there is a problem no doubt. That is not my issue with your statement. My issues is the generalization "But speaking from experience.. on a majority, no." which is clearly not true. You are basing this off of your limited life experience and not the actual population of the US or the data.

It paints my view of reality as such, because that is the reality I live in at this very moment. What is wrong with being able to identify a problem?

Nothing. However when your "reality" is not based on the truth, it is flawed.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do blacks care for their own community like other groups?

[snip the rest]

This single question seems to be based some mighty odd (and racist) asssumptions.

1) That race (racial segregation?) defines a community.

2) That other groups (communities?) are also racially segregated.

3) That one's caring is limited to one's (own) group (based on race alone?).

Since I do not accept your racist assumptions then I can't vote in your (obviously racist) poll.

 

[Oborosen]

I agree in some neighborhoods there is a problem no doubt. That is not my issue with your statement. My issues is the generalization "But speaking from experience.. on a majority, no." which is clearly not true. You are basing this off of your limited life experience and not the actual population of the US or the data.



Nothing. However when your "reality" is not based on the truth, it is flawed.

Hence it still being my opinion and I would readily own up to it, if it were flawed. However from what I have seen, it is more of a reality then flawed.

Though if we are talking about the majority, then I could just cite crime statistics laid against the entire population of that demographic. Though not a window into whatever it is that is causing this problem, but it is a clear indication that something is wrong.

 

[Black Dog]

Hence it still being my opinion and I would readily own up to it, if it were flawed. However from what I have seen, it is more of a reality then flawed.

Though if we are talking about the majority, then I could just cite crime statistics laid against the entire population of that demographic. Though not a window into whatever it is that is causing this problem, but it is a clear indication that something is wrong.

Again with more nonsense. Crime statistics do not reflect the majority in any way. You are doing the same thing Trump did. You are conflating black people and the inner city. The majority at around 52% of blacks in the nation’s top 100 metro areas live in the suburbs of those places. So if we are talking "reality" and "majority" you are absolutely wrong. This is not even taking into account those who live in upscale parts of US cities and neighborhoods or the 10% that still live in rural areas.

When you start with a flawed and obviously biased premis, you end up with a flawed and biased argument.

 

[TheGoverness]

Yes he is. It's not the first time he has made such racist generalizations. Anyone who would ask such an ignorant question has an underlying racist motive, period.

It's like red paint on a white background: obvious as ****.

 

[TheGoverness]

Yea I think Stormfront and the white nationalist movement is something you may be interested in.

I'm sure he has an account there.