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Dissecting the whistleblower transcript today

Reneging on a bet and not admitting fault....is a big deal in the real world. Lucky for you, you have anonymity.

It still shows you have no integrity here, but I knew that already.

Oooo...scary!!!:lamo

Bet? Oh, I see, you have glommed on to a turn of phrase in order to run your yap. Like I said, let me know when you have the votes.
 
Why Republicans still support him, I do not understand. They could toss him to the curb, nominate Pence for President and probably win. Their insistence on backing Trump is true cowardice.

The politicians do because they are servants of plutocracy, and trump was able to give them power for their agenda. The voters do largely because there's a big advertising machine good at manipulating them.
 
Again with this same video? JC I must have explained this on DP at least a half dozen times already. DON'T YOU PEOPLE READ?

The UK and Ukraine continued to investigate Zlochevsky and other Yanukovych officials, often with the support of the US. But eventually, British investigators began to grow frustrated with what they characterized as a lack of cooperation from their Ukrainian counterparts, saying needed documents weren’t being provided.

The US became increasingly involved in the issue, and by December 2014, had sent a letter warning the new government would be forced to face unpleasant consequences if it didn’t do more to aid the UK. That threat went unheeded, and by 2015, British officials were forced to release the frozen funds, which Zlochevsky immediately moved to Cyprus, according to Bloomberg.


The part of the story that involves Joe Biden directly centers on the ouster of Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin.

In February 2015, Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, and promised critics of his country’s anti-corruption efforts at home, in the US, and at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that a clean-up was on the way. And he claimed Burisma was in his sights.

But Shokin’s deputy, Vitaly Kasko, told Bloomberg that the promise was empty rhetoric. According to Kasko, their office did nothing to pursue its investigation into Zlochevsky throughout 2015, and the office was ineffective at reining in corruption generally, leading him to resign in frustration.

Shokin has disputed Kasko’s narrative, but the manner in which he was running his office also concerned the US ambassador to Ukraine, who said publicly in September 2015 that the office was “subverting” the UK’s investigation.

Concern at the embassy mounted, and by 2016, officials there began suggesting the Obama administration push for the prosecutor general’s ouster. In particular, the embassy suggested that $1 billion in loan guarantees the country hoped to receive from the US in order to stay solvent should be tied to a tougher anti-corruption strategy that involved removing officials seen as blocking progress, namely Shokin.

It wasn’t just the US that wanted Shokin gone, either — many other Western European officials, including the IMF’s then-managing director Christine Lagarde, also insisted Ukraine was doing far too little about corruption.

So in March 2016, Biden says he told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin. He told the story at a session at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.


“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours,” Biden told his audience. “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’”

The former vice president said after the threat, “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”

The people of Ukraine wanted Shokin gone as well, and demonstrated for his removal around the time of Biden’s threat. Shortly after that demonstration, Shokin was dismissed.

How come you dont cite anything?
 
Why would he ask for a refund? Tweety didn't give him that job for free, you know. He paid with his legacy, reputation, and 30k so far. I doubt that any of it is refundable.

He lost any reputation when he helped Bush 41 pardon the Iran-Contra criminals.
 
You obviously can't read. My post you originally responded to concerned Clinton, not Nixon. Two different guys and two different circumstances. There was an actual case against Nixon.


And there is so very much more against trump.

Nixon actually did some good things for this country, trump has only benefited himself.

Well except for the fact he finally proved once and for all that tax cuts to the wealthy do not grow the economy...
 
BOTH were "actual cases", whutever the frack that means, the point remans, in BOTH "cases", the GOP was in error and paid a political price.

Stop ignoring the counter-argument....oh.....and pay up.


So, you equate diddling an intern, or even lying, to obstruction of justice? If they were equally as egregious, why didn't we remove Clinton?
 
And there is so very much more against trump.

Nixon actually did some good things for this country, trump has only benefited himself.

Well except for the fact he finally proved once and for all that tax cuts to the wealthy do not grow the economy...

I'm glad to see you admit that you think Trump should be impeached because he doesn't follow the policies you want. Good to see some honesty at last.
 
Then why do we have practically every Dem candidate subscribing to their harebrained and dangerous ideas? Just coincidence I guess.

I'm not going to get Into their ideas, hair brained or otherwise, that is a topic for a other thread.

We are discussing trumps criminal activity and his inevitable impeachment...
 
I'm not contradicting Mueller, he specifically stated Russia interfered in our election, and trump was not only aware but cooperated.

Trump won by 70 some thousand votes in the exact states he said he would win, you know the ones that his campaign told Russia to target...

It is clear without Russian assistance we would not be in the mess we are now...

Mueller said no such thing about Trump. If you think some clickbait on FB and some emails from Podesta won Trump the election, then you are truly delusional. He outworked Hillary by a mile and said stuff that people agreed with. It's going to happen again. Get your excuses ready.
 
you have glommed on to a turn of phrase

"I said something wrong and stupid, even placing a higher value on it than normal, and when someone proves me wrong at least twice over, I'm not gunna admit error, I'm gunna shirk any responsibility..."
 
I'm not going to get Into their ideas, hair brained or otherwise, that is a topic for a other thread.

We are discussing trumps criminal activity and his inevitable impeachment...

The only thing that's inevitable is the Dems losing again next year.
 
"I said something wrong and stupid, even placing a higher value on it than normal, and when someone proves me wrong at least twice over, I'm not gunna admit error, I'm gunna shirk any responsibility..."

Hilarious. Hey, we have a word cop on the scene and quite a pretentious one at that. What a hoot. Shove off.
 
Hilarious. Hey, we have a word cop on the scene and quite a pretentious one at that. What a hoot. Shove off.
Word cop? You made a claim, made a bet about it....LOST....and now you are whining about be held to YOUR OWN STATEMENTS?

You have no idea what integrity means.
 
You are one sick lady, but to each their own, I won't judge, but in my personal opinion that is taking your infatuation a hair too far...

Funny, wasn't it Schiff who was all excited to get the supposed naked pictures of Trump when he got scammed by those Russian radio guys? Why yes, yes it was.:shock:
 
Trump clearly does not know what he has gotten into. Tells staffers that he wants the names of those that are sources for the Whistleblower and threatens them as traitors and spies and.........the NYT's has the story like less than 12 hours later, maybe less than that. In other words leakers still find leaking to the press at this point a better alternative to staying on the Trump Party bus as it lurches into the ditch.
 
Word cop? You made a claim, made a bet about it....LOST....and now you are whining about be held to YOUR OWN STATEMENTS?

You have no idea what integrity means.

Liberals talking about integrity is like a skunk asking what stinks. Here's another bet for you: Trump is going to win next year and you'll have an additional four years to whine and soil yourself. Enjoy.
 
So, you equate diddling an intern, or even lying, to obstruction of justice? If they were equally as egregious, why didn't we remove Clinton?

Because a blowjob does not harm the nation in any way, and it was none of the nation's business.

That was between Lewinsky, Clinton and Mrs Clinton not the nations.

It took star over two years of trying to frame Clinton and that was all he could come up with.

Probably the largest failure of a party in American history, such a complete embarrassment...
 
Trump clearly does not know what he has gotten into. Tells staffers that he wants the names of those that are sources for the Whistleblower and threatens them as traitors and spies and.........the NYT's has the story like less than 12 hours later, maybe less than that. In other words leakers still find leaking to the press at this point a better alternative to staying on the Trump Party bus as it lurches into the ditch.

That's how swamp creatures roll. Protecting their turf is more important than doing anything to move the country forward.
 
Because a blowjob does not harm the nation in any way, and it was none of the nation's business.

That was between Lewinsky, Clinton and Mrs Clinton not the nations.

It took star over two years of trying to frame Clinton and that was all he could come up with.

Probably the largest failure of a party in American history, such a complete embarrassment...

Clinton committed perjury and was disbarred for it. Guess you forgot.
 
Liberals talking about integrity is like a skunk asking what stinks. Here's another bet for you: Trump is going to win next year and you'll have an additional four years to whine and soil yourself. Enjoy.
Proposes a bet, reneges on it, whines about be held to his word, shows a complete lack of integrity.

Then it decides to make another bet.....
 
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